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Tanzio wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:I believe that Ward has the style to beat Kovalev. Not saying he definitely will, but it's a 50-50 fight in my eyes.

He has a style, but doesn't have a chin or body. Barrera's body shots clearly troubled him at times. Wait to see what Kova's jabs to the body will do.

Did you notice Ward's jab to Barrera's midsection? How will Krusher's body hold up to that?

I think that there are just as many questions about Krusher's chin and body as there are about Ward's.

Ward can't punch hard enough to trouble Sergey's body. I agree about Kovalev's questionable chin, but that could be a problem against Beterbiev or Stevenson, not against Ward. That chin did just fine against Pascal who probably hits harder than Ward.

Kovalev would have to be more careful v Ward than v Pascal; Ward is far better at placing and disguising his punches.

ikorolev wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
He has a style, but doesn't have a chin or body. Barrera's body shots clearly troubled him at times. Wait to see what Kova's jabs to the body will do.

Did you notice Ward's jab to Barrera's midsection? How will Krusher's body hold up to that?

I think that there are just as many questions about Krusher's chin and body as there are about Ward's.

Ward can't punch hard enough to trouble Sergey's body. I agree about Kovalev's questionable chin, but that could be a problem against Beterbiev or Stevenson, not against Ward. That chin did just fine against Pascal who probably hits harder than Ward.

We disagree.

Ward punches hard enough in a FMJ type of way. His body shots had an effect on Barrera. His angles surprise his opponents with pop out of nowhere. Ward has the potential to stop Krusher. Not as much chance as Krusher has to stop Ward, but enough to keep the Russian off balance on the way to a points win.

I think that Ward chose not to display what his right hand can do v Barrera. He essentially dominated the fight with one hand.

Tanzio - I agree. Boxing is more than raw power, Ward is in with a great chance v anyone his weight, his record shows this and he has sneaky power, some of his in close body punches are smashing shots and he mixes them up so well.

Tanzio wrote: We disagree.

Ward punches hard enough in a FMJ type of way. His body shots had an effect on Barrera. His angles surprise his opponents with pop out of nowhere. Ward has the potential to stop Krusher. Not as much chance as Krusher has to stop Ward, but enough to keep the Russian off balance on the way to a points win.

I think that Ward chose not to display what his right hand can do v Barrera. He essentially dominated the fight with one hand.

Yes, we disagree. The only guy who Ward really stopped in many years was dehydrated Dawson. There is no chance he could stop Kova.

ikorolev wrote:

Tanzio wrote: We disagree.

Ward punches hard enough in a FMJ type of way. His body shots had an effect on Barrera. His angles surprise his opponents with pop out of nowhere. Ward has the potential to stop Krusher. Not as much chance as Krusher has to stop Ward, but enough to keep the Russian off balance on the way to a points win.

I think that Ward chose not to display what his right hand can do v Barrera. He essentially dominated the fight with one hand.

Yes, we disagree. The only guy who Ward really stopped in many years was dehydrated Dawson. There is no chance he could stop Kova.

I am reasonably certain that Team Krusher disagrees with you.

ikorolev wrote:

Tanzio wrote: We disagree.

Ward punches hard enough in a FMJ type of way. His body shots had an effect on Barrera. His angles surprise his opponents with pop out of nowhere. Ward has the potential to stop Krusher. Not as much chance as Krusher has to stop Ward, but enough to keep the Russian off balance on the way to a points win.

I think that Ward chose not to display what his right hand can do v Barrera. He essentially dominated the fight with one hand.

Yes, we disagree. The only guy who Ward really stopped in many years was dehydrated Dawson. There is no chance he could stop Kova.

His style isn't about knockouts. Guys like Ward, Floyd, Pea, etc.. hit hard enough with their speed and precision to discourage incoming. It's hard to imagine that happening with Kovalev. Then again nobody thought it would happen to Chavez, Toney, etc..

Even Marvin hagler got defensive against the masterful Boxing of Roberto Duran. It happens all the time. That's the biggest intrigue to me.

On a side note, Creed was awful, can't believe how many great reviews I saw.

Why didn't Froch go balls to the wall against ward? You're talking about the preeminent warrior of his generation. Surely it wasn't because Ward's punches felt like a pillow massage? Guys of that skill level also have constant subtle movements that force you to reset and think. I hope Kovalev destroys him but anybody that thinks it's a foregone conclusion has lost their mind. If ward was the kind of underdog he is on the board in Vegas I'd bet large on him.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Tanzio wrote: We disagree.

Ward punches hard enough in a FMJ type of way. His body shots had an effect on Barrera. His angles surprise his opponents with pop out of nowhere. Ward has the potential to stop Krusher. Not as much chance as Krusher has to stop Ward, but enough to keep the Russian off balance on the way to a points win.

I think that Ward chose not to display what his right hand can do v Barrera. He essentially dominated the fight with one hand.

Yes, we disagree. The only guy who Ward really stopped in many years was dehydrated Dawson. There is no chance he could stop Kova.

His style isn't about knockouts. Guys like Ward, Floyd, Pea, etc.. hit hard enough with their speed and precision to discourage incoming. It's hard to imagine that happening with Kovalev. Then again nobody thought it would happen to Chavez, Toney, etc..

Even Marvin hagler got defensive against the masterful Boxing of Roberto Duran. It happens all the time. That's the biggest intrigue to me.

On a side note, Creed was awful, can't believe how many great reviews I saw.

I thought that the first half of Creed was very well done, especially the fight scenes. 2nd half, not so much on all levels.

tigermoth87 wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
Either you are with Krusher or you are against him. There is nothing more to see. It won't matter ward is gonna weasel out of this one anyway.

I'm surprised so many people think the fight is going to take place. Ward wormed out of fighting Bute, no way is he going to risk Krusher shattering his jaw into a million pieces. He'll pull out of the fight citing some "injury" and sit on the sidelines for a year until everybody has forgetten about it.

I agree with you and have been saying that for a while. Even last night he could have said bring on Krusher but instead he pulls that talk to my management team which is code for I am a coward.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Why didn't Froch go balls to the wall against ward? You're talking about the preeminent warrior of his generation. Surely it wasn't because Ward's punches felt like a pillow massage? Guys of that skill level also have constant subtle movements that force you to reset and think. I hope Kovalev destroys him but anybody that thinks it's a foregone conclusion has lost their mind. If ward was the kind of underdog he is on the board in Vegas I'd bet large on him.

I agree, I noticed that Ward has a big selection of slipping movements and defensive footwork, he didn't do the same thing twice in a row and mixes it all up. An opponent must have difficulty trying to time him or set traps. Ward is strong enough inside to not get pulverised and no doubt with another bout at 175 under his belt and a full camp concentrating on Kovalev we'll be in for a class encounter between 2 gifted and highly skilled fighters. I'd like to see Ward v Pascal, that would be a decent bout and a decent barometer.