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Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 12:59
by Horse
Ricky_ wrote:This should be fun. Let's see who can name 20 heavyweights better than Martin and Breazeale.
1. Tyson Fury
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Kubrat Pulev
7. Carlos Takam
8. Steve Cunningham
9. Malik Scott
10. Anthony Joshua
11. Bryant Jennings
12. Johann Duhaupas
13. Dereck Chisora
14. Lucas Browne
15. Artur Szpilka
16. Vyacheslav Glazkov
17. Erkan Teper
18. Antonio Tarver
19. Bermane Stiverne
20. Tony Thompson
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 13:40
by Lennox
I think these are. I think Breazeale beats Martin.
TYSON FURY
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
ALEXANDER POVETKIN
DEONTAY WILDER
LUIS ORTIZ
ANTHONY JOSHUA
BERMANE STIVERNE
KUBRAT PULEV
CARLOS TAKAM
JOSEPH PARKER
VYACHESLAV GLAZKOV
DERECK CHISORA
BRYANT JENNINGS
MALIK SCOTT
JOHANN DUHAUPAS
ARTUR SZPILKA
LUCAS BROWNE
MIKE PEREZ
ERIC MOLINA
MANUEL CHARR
ANDRZEJ WAWRZYK
ANTHONY THOMPSON
RUSLAN CHAGAEV
TOMASZ ADAMEK
HUGHIE FURY
DAVID HAYE
ZHANG JUNLONG
GERALD WASHINGTON
AMIR MANSOUR
ROBERT HELENIUS
DILLIAN WHYTE
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 13:48
by keithmoonhangover
Ricky_ wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Horse wrote:That Joshua is an accident waiting to happen when he actually starts fighting genuine top 20 level heavyweights?
Martin was top 20, so is Breazeale.
This should be fun. Let's see who can name 20 heavyweights better than Martin and Breazeale.
I know, people make these daft statements and moan like fvck, but really, who is Joshua supposed to fight. Out of his IBF top 15, there are only 3 or 4 boxers available.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 15:43
by BitPlayer
I was going to, but since two others came up with two different lists of higher level fighters, I don't think it's needed. Probably a good few others neither have mentioned including Price, Ruiz Jr, Ustinov, not even saying they're top 20, just better than Martin or Breazeale.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 15:48
by keithmoonhangover
Lennox wrote:I think these are. I think Breazeale beats Martin.
TYSON FURY
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
ALEXANDER POVETKIN
DEONTAY WILDER
LUIS ORTIZ
ANTHONY JOSHUA
BERMANE STIVERNE
KUBRAT PULEV
CARLOS TAKAM
JOSEPH PARKER
VYACHESLAV GLAZKOV
DERECK CHISORA
BRYANT JENNINGS
MALIK SCOTT
JOHANN DUHAUPAS
ARTUR SZPILKA
LUCAS BROWNE
MIKE PEREZ
ERIC MOLINA
MANUEL CHARR
ANDRZEJ WAWRZYK
ANTHONY THOMPSON
RUSLAN CHAGAEV
TOMASZ ADAMEK
HUGHIE FURY
DAVID HAYE
ZHANG JUNLONG
GERALD WASHINGTON
AMIR MANSOUR
ROBERT HELENIUS
DILLIAN WHYTE
You know Breazeale already beat Mansour, right?
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 15:52
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote:Ricky_ wrote:This should be fun. Let's see who can name 20 heavyweights better than Martin and Breazeale.
1. Tyson Fury
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Kubrat Pulev
7. Carlos Takam
8. Steve Cunningham
9. Malik Scott
10. Anthony Joshua
11. Bryant Jennings
12. Johann Duhaupas
13. Dereck Chisora
14. Lucas Browne
15. Artur Szpilka
16. Vyacheslav Glazkov
17. Erkan Teper
18. Antonio Tarver
19. Bermane Stiverne
20. Tony Thompson
How can Joshua fight the guy at #10?
Joshua just beat the guy who beat #16 in his last fight.
How in the blue hell was Martin not top 20 then? Please try an explain with another one of your biased rambling intonations.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 16:05
by Horse
keithmoonhangover wrote:How can Joshua fight the guy at #10?
No one said that he could.
keithmoonhangover wrote:Joshua just beat the guy who beat #16 in his last fight.
How in the blue hell was Martin not top 20 then? Please try an explain with another one of your biased rambling intonations.
He won on a technicality and then got destroyed in his next fight.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 16:18
by Taki...
Horse wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:How can Joshua fight the guy at #10?
No one said that he could.
keithmoonhangover wrote:Joshua just beat the guy who beat #16 in his last fight.
How in the blue hell was Martin not top 20 then? Please try an explain with another one of your biased rambling intonations.
He won on a technicality and then got destroyed in his next fight.
Horse, you are the Zelenoff of arguing... There have been numerous TDs in boxing and every single one counted.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 16:29
by Horse
Taki... wrote:Horse, you are the Zelenoff of arguing... There have been numerous TDs in boxing and every single one counted.
Oh dear.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 16:45
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote:Taki... wrote:Horse, you are the Zelenoff of arguing... There have been numerous TDs in boxing and every single one counted.
Oh dear.
Just answer Horse. Why does Martin's TD not count? Because you don't want it to?
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 16:46
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:How can Joshua fight the guy at #10?
No one said that he could.
keithmoonhangover wrote:Joshua just beat the guy who beat #16 in his last fight.
How in the blue hell was Martin not top 20 then? Please try an explain with another one of your biased rambling intonations.
He won on a technicality and then got destroyed in his next fight.
Was Martin in your top 20 prior to the Joshua fight?
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 29 Apr 2016, 20:01
by crusader
keithmoonhangover wrote:Horse wrote:Ricky_ wrote:This should be fun. Let's see who can name 20 heavyweights better than Martin and Breazeale.
1. Tyson Fury
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Kubrat Pulev
7. Carlos Takam
8. Steve Cunningham
9. Malik Scott
10. Anthony Joshua
11. Bryant Jennings
12. Johann Duhaupas
13. Dereck Chisora
14. Lucas Browne
15. Artur Szpilka
16. Vyacheslav Glazkov
17. Erkan Teper
18. Antonio Tarver
19. Bermane Stiverne
20. Tony Thompson
How can Joshua fight the guy at #10?
Joshua just beat the guy who beat #16 in his last fight.
How in the blue hell was Martin not top 20 then? Please try an explain with another one of your biased rambling intonations.
Ricky asked for a list of HWs better than Martin and Breazeale....Martin beating Glazkov in that fashion hardly proves he's the better fighter, even if it was officially a win and moved him above Glazkov in a set of rankings based on recent resumes. Was Luis Santana, the guy who won by DQ over Terry Norris a couple times, the better of the two prior to the third meeting? Would a win over Santana immediately following his first or second fight with Norris be more impressive than wins over Norris at the same times?
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 30 Apr 2016, 06:22
by Lennox
keithmoonhangover wrote:Lennox wrote:I think these are. I think Breazeale beats Martin.
TYSON FURY
WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO
ALEXANDER POVETKIN
DEONTAY WILDER
LUIS ORTIZ
ANTHONY JOSHUA
BERMANE STIVERNE
KUBRAT PULEV
CARLOS TAKAM
JOSEPH PARKER
VYACHESLAV GLAZKOV
DERECK CHISORA
BRYANT JENNINGS
MALIK SCOTT
JOHANN DUHAUPAS
ARTUR SZPILKA
LUCAS BROWNE
MIKE PEREZ
ERIC MOLINA
MANUEL CHARR
ANDRZEJ WAWRZYK
ANTHONY THOMPSON
RUSLAN CHAGAEV
TOMASZ ADAMEK
HUGHIE FURY
DAVID HAYE
ZHANG JUNLONG
GERALD WASHINGTON
AMIR MANSOUR
ROBERT HELENIUS
DILLIAN WHYTE
You know Breazeale already beat Mansour, right?
Yes I know he did but after watching the fight (its on youtube) I still think Mansour is better. I would be surprised if you did not think the same after watching it, it was a fight I overlooked until a few days ago when a poster said Brezeale was lucky in that fight, previously I had not seen the fight. As Crusader points out Luis Santana beat a prime Terry Norris twice on disqualification, sometimes you have to step back a bit and be subjective. Martin beat Glazkov, but it was only because Glazkov got injured, so for the purpose of evaluation its like the fight did not happen IMO.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 30 Apr 2016, 06:50
by BitPlayer
keithmoonhangover wrote:You know Breazeale already beat Mansour, right?
Breazeale loses every round but wins the vacant World Boxing Council Continental Americas title, a significant belt in figuring the WBC heavyweight ratings schematic.
Mansour won the first five rounds on the judges' scorecards (50-44, 50-44, 50-44), and knocked down Breazeale in the third round for a 10-8 round, who beat the count.
Mansour inadvertently bit his tongue nearly in half during the second round and could not breathe through his mouth, nor his nose as he entered the bout with a cold. Mansour gave up on his stool.
Contributing to the tongue injury, Mansour's mouthpiece for this bout was fitted for his upper teeth only.[[1]] It remained a mystery why the partial mouthpiece was even allowed by the C.S.A.C.
Mansour underwent five hours of surgery and took 36 stitches in his tongue to put it back together, one of the most bizarre injuries ever incurred during a heavyweight bout.
Despite press reports which 'jumped the gun' and said Mansour had fractured his jaw, causing the stoppage, Mansour's jaw was not fractured, and the early reports turned out to be false.
So yeah, he should definitely be bellow Mansour.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 30 Apr 2016, 20:30
by Badhusker
Mansour, as old as he is (42?) totally beat the over-rated Breazeale for 99% of the fight before the freak stoppage. Joshua should beat him down inside of 3 rounds. Totally crap opponent.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 30 Apr 2016, 21:15
by foxdog1923
Breazeale is too slow. Joshua should win easy.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 30 Apr 2016, 21:19
by Horse
RandomUsername wrote:But yes regarding the opponent, Dominic Breazeale is a very good opponent and I for one am surprised that Anthony is fighting someone this dangerous, Dominic may not have looked too impressive in his last fights but the man has great power, a great chin and has never lost. Dominic isn't someone who Joshua can put away with just one shot, he also isn't someone that will be intimidated by Joshuas power. I for one am somewhat interested in seeing this fight, if Joshua is going to become some legendary boxer then it will be shown against Breazeale, if it doesn't show then Joshua will end up as a win on Tyson Fury's ultra boring record and will be remembered as someone who took part in the torturous years of the boring Fury reign.
Re: Joshua first defence vs Dominic Breazeale
Posted: 30 Apr 2016, 21:44
by ttornado
Horse wrote:
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