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hurricanemitch14 wrote:Moving up 8lbs and fighting guys 70 plus lbs heavier than you is a little different. Floyd moved from 126 to 154. RJJ went from 160 to heavy along with Toney. ODLH 126 to 160. Pacman 112 to 154. Marquez 126 to 147. These are some of the greats as of late that went looking for other great fighters.

Floyd and Pac moved following their bodies naturally maturing. How well did RJJ's, Toney's and Tarver's moves to HW work ???

You want Golovkin want up 15 lbs or two weight classes which is an equivalent of a LHW moving to HW. Maybe Fury and Klit are too big. Do you want Kova and Ward fight Povetkin or Haye ?

U need to sit down and do the math. It's a little more than 15 lbs for Ward to fight Povetkin or Gaye. I'd say RJJ did pretty well at heavy, won a title. Toney did good too and he was fat. Floyd was 31 -0(26) at lightweight so u think he wasn't at a disadvantage fighting at 147 and 154 where wasnt koing anyone??? He did ok too. I didn't mention Tarver.

You know I'm right dude, if ggg wants to stay at 160 and break records or whatever he's trying to do ill watch and cheer for him. He just can't say he can't get fights cuz all he has to do is move up. His best option if he waits is Canelo who was dominated by old man Floyd, who also struggled with Lara who went life and death against Molina, Martysyan and Angulo. It's a money fight not a career defining fight.

Also he wouldn't have needed to go to 175 for Ward if he would have took the fight at 168. Now ward is at 175 bc there were no options at 168.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:U need to sit down and do the math. It's a little more than 15 lbs for Ward to fight Povetkin or Gaye. I'd say RJJ did pretty well at heavy, won a title. Toney did good too and he was fat. Floyd was 31 -0(26) at lightweight so u think he wasn't at a disadvantage fighting at 147 and 154 where wasnt koing anyone??? He did ok too. I didn't mention Tarver.

You know I'm right dude, if ggg wants to stay at 160 and break records or whatever he's trying to do ill watch and cheer for him. He just can't say he can't get fights cuz all he has to do is move up. His best option if he waits is Canelo who was dominated by old man Floyd, who also struggled with Lara who went life and death against Molina, Martysyan and Angulo. It's a money fight not a career defining fight.

Also he wouldn't have needed to go to 175 for Ward if he would have took the fight at 168. Now ward is at 175 bc there were no options at 168.

No, you are not right, because you are trying to make things primitive which they aren't. Higher weight classes are further apart for a reason. GGG fighting LHWs is the same as LHWs fighting smaller HWs.

I would certainly not want Kovalev or Ward to finish their careers as "well" as RJJ or Toney.

Golovkin has a clear goal -- getting all MW titles. You may like it or not, but that's what he is doing. Maybe he will also want to break Bernard's record which wouldn't take long if he fights 3 times a year. After that, he is moving up.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:U need to sit down and do the math. It's a little more than 15 lbs for Ward to fight Povetkin or Gaye. I'd say RJJ did pretty well at heavy, won a title. Toney did good too and he was fat. Floyd was 31 -0(26) at lightweight so u think he wasn't at a disadvantage fighting at 147 and 154 where wasnt koing anyone??? He did ok too. I didn't mention Tarver.

You know I'm right dude, if ggg wants to stay at 160 and break records or whatever he's trying to do ill watch and cheer for him. He just can't say he can't get fights cuz all he has to do is move up. His best option if he waits is Canelo who was dominated by old man Floyd, who also struggled with Lara who went life and death against Molina, Martysyan and Angulo. It's a money fight not a career defining fight.

Also he wouldn't have needed to go to 175 for Ward if he would have took the fight at 168. Now ward is at 175 bc there were no options at 168.

GGG fighting Ward at 168 is in no way comparable to RJJ, Toney, or Tarver. Ward is one of the best fighters on the planet, and significantly bigger than GGG. The three you mentioned had best wins of Ruiz, ancient Holy or Oquendo, and Johnathon Banks none of whom were close to the best in their division.

Ward's taking Kovalev to school.

Ward is 6-0 with a 71 reach
GGG is 5-10.5 with a 70 reach

These differences are NOTHING.

Ward started his career at middleweight for 10 fights. Then moved to 168 for 17 fights. And is now at light heavy. He's still just 31 yrs old. Coming back to 168 is very much feasible if GGG actually makes the move.

To say their size difference is massive is absurd. Absolutely stupid. And nothing but an excuse.

The size isn't the problem. Ward wanted ridiculous terms when ggg would have taken 50/50, then he was out for ages and by the time he got back ggg was a much bigger draw. Just timing.

diddy wrote:Ward is 6-0 with a 71 reach
GGG is 5-10.5 with a 70 reach

These differences are NOTHING.

Ward started his career at middleweight for 10 fights. Then moved to 168 for 17 fights. And is now at light heavy. He's still just 31 yrs old. Coming back to 168 is very much feasible if GGG actually makes the move.

To say their size difference is massive is absurd. Absolutely stupid. And nothing but an excuse.

Ward debuted at 165 after finishing his amateur career at 178, has only made the MW limit 5 times, and did all his notable campaigning in other divisions, which tells me that's where he was more comfortable. GGG hasn't been higher than 161, has only been above 160 twice in 35 fights, is clearly the smaller man.

GGG is only just a few pounds above 160 30 days out and is an average-sized MW at best, while Ward fits right in against most LHWs.To act there is nothing between them size-wise is stupid.

crusader wrote:

diddy wrote:Ward is 6-0 with a 71 reach
GGG is 5-10.5 with a 70 reach

These differences are NOTHING.

Ward started his career at middleweight for 10 fights. Then moved to 168 for 17 fights. And is now at light heavy. He's still just 31 yrs old. Coming back to 168 is very much feasible if GGG actually makes the move.

To say their size difference is massive is absurd. Absolutely stupid. And nothing but an excuse.

Ward debuted at 165 after finishing his amateur career at 178, has only made the MW limit 5 times, and did all his notable campaigning in other divisions, which tells me that's where he was more comfortable. GGG hasn't been higher than 161, has only been above 160 twice in 35 fights, is clearly the smaller man.

GGG is only just a few pounds above 160 30 days out and is an average-sized MW at best, while Ward fits right in against most LHWs.To act there is nothing between them size-wise is stupid.

Lol, what about the height and reach? Diddy should look up Sergio Martinez and tua.

crusader wrote:

diddy wrote:Ward is 6-0 with a 71 reach
GGG is 5-10.5 with a 70 reach

These differences are NOTHING.

Ward started his career at middleweight for 10 fights. Then moved to 168 for 17 fights. And is now at light heavy. He's still just 31 yrs old. Coming back to 168 is very much feasible if GGG actually makes the move.

To say their size difference is massive is absurd. Absolutely stupid. And nothing but an excuse.

Ward debuted at 165 after finishing his amateur career at 178, has only made the MW limit 5 times, and did all his notable campaigning in other divisions, which tells me that's where he was more comfortable. GGG hasn't been higher than 161, has only been above 160 twice in 35 fights, is clearly the smaller man.

GGG is only just a few pounds above 160 30 days out and is an average-sized MW at best, while Ward fits right in against most LHWs.To act there is nothing between them size-wise is stupid.

This. A LOT more to size then height and reach.

You guys sound like a bunch of girls. Looking for reasons for the fight NOT to happen. WHO DOESNT wanna see that fight?! What kinda fans are you?

Spare me the semantics. 1.5 inches of height. 1 inch of reach. Size is not a major obstacle in making this fight. Get real.

diddy wrote:You guys sound like a bunch of girls. Looking for years for the fight NOT to happen. WHO DOESNT wanna see that fight?! What kinda fans are you?

I'd love to see it.

Doesn't mean they're the same size. They're not.

diddy wrote:Ward is 6-0 with a 71 reach
GGG is 5-10.5 with a 70 reach

These differences are NOTHING.

Ward started his career at middleweight for 10 fights. Then moved to 168 for 17 fights. And is now at light heavy. He's still just 31 yrs old. Coming back to 168 is very much feasible if GGG actually makes the move.

To say their size difference is massive is absurd. Absolutely stupid. And nothing but an excuse.

Then ward could have said he'd go to 160 if he wanted GGG bad enough seeing YOU say the size is only an excuse, but do you think ward could get to 160 duddy, NO, so obviously ward is a lot more thick set through the body than GGG, wouldn't you agree duddy

diddy wrote:You guys sound like a bunch of girls. Looking for reasons for the fight NOT to happen. WHO DOESNT wanna see that fight?! What kinda fans are you?

Spare me the semantics. 1.5 inches of height. 1 inch of reach. Size is not a major obstacle in making this fight. Get real.

I want Golovkin vs Lebedev. They are just an inch apart.

Seriously speaking, I think Golovkin vs Ward at 168 should happen within a couple of years.

Ward is the one with the resume of real opponents. The one who has fought the better opponents doesn't go down in weight to accommodate someone else. Also wouldn't surprise me if moving to 175 was a negotiating ploy to fight GGG down the line. I'll go down a class. You go up a class.

I can't see ward taking the 30/70 or 40/60 split the fight would warrant.

For some reason, I think that Ward will lose any desire to fight again if he really faces Kovalev.