Sklar wrote:clopixolacuphase wrote:Sklar wrote:Whilst he doesn't frame his words particularly well and he's mainly droning on like the pub bore, what has he said there that is wrong? Answer me that if you may.
It's a disjointed weird paranoid rant that barely makes any sense. He thinks the apocalypse is coming and that people are shagging cats and plastic babies: porn is everywhere. Women are dirty. Filth everywhere. Gang raping old ladies will become legal!
He sounds disturbed.
Would you not agree that over the past twenty years the consumption of pornography has escalated drastically and that the content of that porn has become increasingly deprived as people become desensitised to what has gone before?
Look, do I think Fury's heart is in the right place? Actually, yeah. His concern for people's morality is fine and I don't think he's doing anything malicious to be honest. However his comments are at best misjudged and his ideology is confused, it seemingly being a kind of cross of old testament bible thumping morality, David Ike-esque conspiracy theory and American right wing militia nut job rhetoric, with a dash of good old fashioned boorish tabloid reading ignorance thrown in.
Do I think pornography is a problem? Yeah, I guess it probably is. Everyone can look at whatever they want on their phones and people have access to pretty from stuff these days. I might be in the minority here, but I don't actually watch it to be honest so I don't really know.
Do I think there is a kind of shadowy cabal that controls the media and the world in general? Yeah. Probably. Are they shape shifting lizards, sure, why not? I kinda like David Ike and if Fury was like him I would actually think that was pretty cool. I'm reading the Illuminatus trilogy as we speak and it's all very interesting. The thing is, David Ike, whatever you think of him, researches the shit out of what he says and can stand up and give lectures for hours. He understands exactly what he is saying and can back it up, whether you agree with him or not. Fury does not appear to really know what he is talking about. Crucially, Ike explicitly has said that when he says lizards, he means LIZARDS, not Jews. To say that the Jews as a race are manipulating the media for their own nefarious ends is stupid and, considering history, very dangerous indeed.
In terms of the immorality of those in power, I think it's pretty clear that there has been a great deal of weird sexual perversion historically and there has been cover ups to hide something endemic and wide spread. The British ruling classes clearly have a big noncing problem and the fact that we are not allowed to see certain files and documents for 50 years etc, I'm amazed that we aren't rioting in the streets over this shit. HOWEVER, that's not directly related to people being gay and so what if people are gay? People have ALWAYS been gay, it's just that people are allowed to come out and admit it now. Good. I don't care. That's not the same as being a nonce and shagging animals and lumping them all into one group is again, dangerous and offensive. If your boy turned out to be gay, wouldn't you be pissed off if somebody said he was no better than a peadophile? Of course you would. It's moronic and anybody with half a brain should be able to make the distinction.
As for the religious stuff: come on, man. I don't care if people are religious. I think it's fine for them if they need that and I like the stories. I don't believe in any of it and when it gets fanatical, as Fury appears to be becoming, it's dangerous. Because if you believe yourself to be absolutely right, you believe in a dogma, then as a person, as a society, you are not able to grow and change, to adapt, to be accepting. Nothing good comes of that. Wars come of that. Fighting comes of that. Why listen to anybody else if you are right? That's trouble, right there.
Is the world going to hell in a hand basket? I don't know. Nonces weren't invented in the past 20 years. They've always been around. The Saville thing showed that didn't it? If anything people are more aware of it and are actively against it. Look at sixties literature, Hunter S Thompson, One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest: statutory rape was seen as a bit of a laugh, not really a proper crime. In fact rape itself seems to crop up a lot in writing of that time, popular culture. Wife beating was more acceptable. I'd argue that while it's more widely reported now, we're actually LESS tolerant of these things as a whole, as a society, and more aware.
I haven't read the article on the plastic baby for shagging but I can imagine it's some sensationalist non story, some typical tabloid crap that seems to fuel Tyson's bleak disgusted world view. Perhaps if he read some books, checked out something other than the tabloids and the Bible, he might learn some things about the world that didn't depress him so much.
Oh, and while I still quite like Tyson, and will be attending the fight in July, no matter whether he says he is not homophobic, racist or misogynistic, you can read the debates on here that his statements cause and it doesn't take long before his most vocal supporters descend into slagging off "homos", the British people, Muslims, whatever. And there is the problem: yes you can say what you like, but it legitimises other people's bigoted views and that should be discouraged. We should all get along because the world is divided enough as it is.
Rant over, I guess.
