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magwitch wrote:

Terminator666 wrote:Will the hearing definitely be after the fight does anyone know?

What fight?

The rematch- with Klit-

magwitch wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

magwitch wrote: I think he was a clean athlete that may have made an innocent mistake later in his career. That just sits better with me. I don’t like to consider that an idol of mine was a fake - .

and therein lies sklar's point

After Ben Johnson, do you not think they’d have busted Christie at some point (sooner than when he was a 35yr has been that got done for a nothing substance). I think it fits in also with his bearing over the years.
I appreciate it’s no more scientific than that however.

Do you know anything about drugs in sport other than what you've read in the Sun?

magwitch wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

magwitch wrote:
I mean, for a start, I neither pointed the finger at anybody nor offered an opinion or a fact of whether Christie was guilty of an offence or not.
The whole chronology thing is rubbish mate. Are you saying that Christie was advancing the record ahead of its time? He never even held the 100m, nor probably even the Olympic 100m record.

Now I will offer an opinion. I think he was a clean athlete that may have made an innocent mistake later in his career. That just sits better with me. I don’t like to consider that an idol of mine was a fake - altho if he had the choices of cheat in order to compete or b) do any other activity to make a living, I could certainly appreciate the pull of cheating.

Christie ran the fastest time of his career at the age of 32 - that just doesn't happen for clean athletes.

32 is not old. That is a man in his prime who has had many years’ to hone his training, hone his act as well as incorporate the newest and best dietary/ training (and drugs, if you are so inclined) into his job. If you’d said 36 then fair enough but not for 32. Some boxers are only just hitting the world scene at that age, because it took them that long to put it all together.

Boxing is not sprinting, you cannot compare the 2. Sprinting is far lower on technique, and far more about training and power output, plus physical makeup.

Tomasino wrote:

magwitch wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

and therein lies sklar's point

After Ben Johnson, do you not think they’d have busted Christie at some point (sooner than when he was a 35yr has been that got done for a nothing substance). I think it fits in also with his bearing over the years.
I appreciate it’s no more scientific than that however.

Do you know anything about drugs in sport other than what you've read in the Sun?

Clearly not - if he believes the fact someone has evaded detection for several years is a guarantee of them being clean.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

magwitch wrote:
After Ben Johnson, do you not think they’d have busted Christie at some point (sooner than when he was a 35yr has been that got done for a nothing substance). I think it fits in also with his bearing over the years.
I appreciate it’s no more scientific than that however.

Do you know anything about drugs in sport other than what you've read in the Sun?

Clearly not - if he believes the fact someone has evaded detection for several years is a guarantee of them being clean.

It's because it's his hero

Counter-puncher wrote:

magwitch wrote:I think it fits in also with his bearing over the years.
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what, moody, short-tempered, extremely muscular?

No, moral bearing I meant. Come on, they’re all muscular aren’t they?
I bet not many of the top sprinters didn’t get a slap at some time for taking the wrong cough mixture etc....quite a hard sport to police really.

magwitch wrote:[

No, moral bearing I meant..

what exactly gave you an insight into his 'moral' bearing? did you witness him give up his seat on the Tube for an old person?

Counter-puncher wrote:

magwitch wrote:[

No, moral bearing I meant..

what exactly gave you an insight into his 'moral' bearing? did you witness him give up his seat on the Tube for an old person?

Tomasino wrote:

magwitch wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

and therein lies sklar's point

After Ben Johnson, do you not think they’d have busted Christie at some point (sooner than when he was a 35yr has been that got done for a nothing substance). I think it fits in also with his bearing over the years.
I appreciate it’s no more scientific than that however.

Do you know anything about drugs in sport other than what you've read in the Sun?

I haven’t picked up a Sun in 5 years I don’t think. Any need to be so rude? Drugs in sport covers an ever-unfurling, global, multitude - please do not tell me you are another of these provincial, would-be pharmacists that get condescending when anyone questions them.

magwitch wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

magwitch wrote:
After Ben Johnson, do you not think they’d have busted Christie at some point (sooner than when he was a 35yr has been that got done for a nothing substance). I think it fits in also with his bearing over the years.
I appreciate it’s no more scientific than that however.

Do you know anything about drugs in sport other than what you've read in the Sun?

I haven’t picked up a Sun in 5 years I don’t think. Any need to be so rude? Drugs in sport covers an ever-unfurling, global, multitude - please do not tell me you are another of these provincial, would-be pharmacists that get condescending when anyone questions them.

Your lack of knowledge and honestly childlike ideas on the morality of people you've never known prompted it.

Magwitch should be tested for whatever PEDs trolls take to become elite.

Sklar wrote:

Naandrew wrote:Come on if Fury was in gear before the Wlad fight he would have been caught out and stripped of the titles very quickly.

What makes you say that?

I think Klitschkos would be very switched on with this thing and here would be no messing about with the time like UKAD have here.

Everything's going to come out in the next couple of weeks.

Sklar wrote:Magwitch should be tested for whatever PEDs trolls take to become elite.

I don't know if that's morally acceptable. I mean, a more well rounded person would not have it. A driven, results focused, trained winner would never cheat at anything. Never. I know because I don't want it to be true.

Tomasino wrote:

Sklar wrote:Magwitch should be tested for whatever PEDs trolls take to become elite.

I don't know if that's morally acceptable. I mean, a more well rounded person would not have it. A driven, results focused, trained winner would never cheat at anything. Never. I know because I don't want it to be true.

You don‘t know if Christie was a drugs cheat during his lengthy spell as a champion athlete. I don’t either. My choice, smartarse, is to be of the opinion he wasn’t. You can choose to think anything you like also.

Counter-puncher wrote:

magwitch wrote:[

No, moral bearing I meant..

what exactly gave you an insight into his 'moral' bearing? did you witness him give up his seat on the Tube for an old person?

Never failing drugs tests whilst espousing being a clean athlete, as the team captain, figure-head and standard-bearer of Team GB Athletics, whilst winning.
Easy to be “all-knowing” twenty years later.

magwitch wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

magwitch wrote:[

No, moral bearing I meant..

what exactly gave you an insight into his 'moral' bearing? did you witness him give up his seat on the Tube for an old person?

Never failing drugs tests whilst espousing being a clean athlete, as the team captain, figure-head and standard-bearer of Team GB Athletics, whilst winning.
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Replace 'athlete' with cyclist and team gb with US Postal, and you have just described Lance Armstrong

I see AJ has been shouting Tyson out for a fight. Anyone who knows anything in boxing knows that Fury is going to get beat in his next fight if he faces Klit again. I dont think the fight will come off and I would be very surprised if Fury wasnt stripped for not fighting anyone. Surely there is only a certain length of time that anyone can go and not make a defence. I dont think Fury will prove difficult to stop to be honest through inactivity and bad living. Fury is a millionaire so why should he bust a gut anymore. Fury will never be regarded as an elite fighter and cettainly not ranked in the top 30 heavyweight champions of history. Fury was never a hungry contender imo, I doubt he even cares about being world champion.

Tomasino wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Do you know anything about drugs in sport other than what you've read in the Sun?

Clearly not - if he believes the fact someone has evaded detection for several years is a guarantee of them being clean.

It's because it's his hero

Idol was the word I used, but I can see four letters is about your comfort zone.
I made it clear, twice in fact, that what I think has got nothing to do with what someone did, or did not do, during their career - which is so obvious as to not not actually require explanation. So at least argue based on SOMETHING I HAVE SAID, if you must.

Counter-puncher wrote:

magwitch wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

what exactly gave you an insight into his 'moral' bearing? did you witness him give up his seat on the Tube for an old person?

Never failing drugs tests whilst espousing being a clean athlete, as the team captain, figure-head and standard-bearer of Team GB Athletics, whilst winning.
.

Replace 'athlete' with cyclist and team gb with US Postal, and you have just described Lance Armstrong

I suppose so, but I never really followed cycling nor Armstrong. Would I have thought the same about him, or had my doubts? Comes down to personal interpretation really.
Easier to think well of someone when it’s all sweetness and like and blistering wins on the tele, admittedly.

Got a feeling that the rematch won't go ahead now even though the suspensions been lifted.

This is a great thread with some really interesting and insightful views, opinions and facts. Then there are the ones who just want to believe because, well because they want to, even though it flies in the face of logic.

But anyone who thinks sprinters are clean needs to wake up and I do not at all buy that Christie just popped some shite when he was an old master. He got caught in the 88 Olympics too but came up with the ginseng tea crap or cold flu tablets or something similar. In fact I think he won the vote which could have seen him stripped of the bronze and banned 11-10. Whenever someone gets busted, immediately they scrabble for an explanation that would be innocent and the first thing is to search for any method that this substance could have got inside them through legitimate reasons.

It can be found in cold / flu tabs? Best you start coughing in a press conference.
It is an ingredient in Ginseng tea? Better start drinking with your pinkie raises.
Can be in a rare, hardly used ointment? Start limping.

Such utter unbelievable and stupid transparent crap for anyone with some commonsense

To add to my post above - I just did some basic searching for info on google and his drug test failure in 1999 is quite interesting as nearly identical to the one he got away with in 1988

"In 1999, Christie was found guilty of using the performance-enhancing drug nandrolone following a doping test after an indoor meet in Germany. He was found to have more than 100 times normal levels of the metabolites of nandrolone in his urine. Various explanations were offered to explain the results, including eating avocado, or using nutritional supplements.[18][19][20]"

That is nearly identical to what he said in 88 and got away with it by one single vote out of 21 cast. Only one real conclusion can be drawn IMO

I thought it was pseudoephedrine in 88?

Counter-puncher wrote:I thought it was pseudoephedrine in 88?

He was cleared of that by the committee by a vote, after he claimed it was in a supplement.

Counter-puncher wrote:I thought it was pseudoephedrine in 88?

You thought right. And you are aware of the performance enhancing qualities of it I assume seeing as you immediately knew what it was and also how to spell it correctly, just from the top of your head 28 years later