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x2x wrote:

crusader wrote: "He's...he's throwing punches in slow-motion!"

One of my favorite lines from a fight....at least the commentators told it for what it was.

I've seen that one before, tho I tried to put it out of my mind. Jorge Kahwagi looks like he has silicone implants in his chest and shoulders, or maybe he injects steroids right into his body. All of his fights have been fake. He's from a very wealthy family and he has money to spare to pay his opponents to lose. He has a law degree and he's involved with politics and acting too. Very bizarre. Here's another one of his so called fights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPf8EvXWkPQ

His face and body look more real here - pre-implant/plastic surgery?

Was that blood over his eye real?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

His face and body look more real here - pre-implant/plastic surgery?

Was that blood over his eye real?

The first Kawagi "fight" posted here was in July 2015. The one right above was twelve years before. In the last one posted, the 2002 fight, look at him, he's gasping for air long after the "fight" ended. He used his money and influence to get his old fights removed from Youtube, but he missed that one.

Here's an article about him:

"Freak Show ala Mexicana"

http://theboxingtribune.com/2015/07/fre ... nday-rant/

And another on in Spanish with photos:

"LA GROTESCA y perturbadora TRANSFORMACIÓN DE JORGE KAHWAGI"

http://elpincheblog.com/la-grotesca-y-p ... -imagenes/

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
What's Rourke wearing on his arm?

Maybe a compression band like he might be wearing if he had sprained a muscle in his bicep, maybe just a decoration. If it was a sprain was it didn't interfere with his sensational performance. He should fight Kawagi. They could try to pay each other to take a dive.

x2x wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
What's Rourke wearing on his arm?

Maybe a compression band like he might be wearing if he had sprained a muscle in his bicep, maybe just a decoration. If it was a sprain was it didn't interfere with his sensational performance. He should fight Kawagi. They could try to pay each other to take a dive.

Loser buys the next round of plastic surgeries?

x2x wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

His face and body look more real here - pre-implant/plastic surgery?

Was that blood over his eye real?

The first Kawagi "fight" posted here was in July 2015. The one right above was twelve years before. In the last one posted, the 2002 fight, look at him, he's gasping for air long after the "fight" ended. He used his money and influence to get his old fights removed from Youtube, but he missed that one.

Here's an article about him:

"Freak Show ala Mexicana"

http://theboxingtribune.com/2015/07/fre ... nday-rant/

And another on in Spanish with photos:

"LA GROTESCA y perturbadora TRANSFORMACIÓN DE JORGE KAHWAGI"

http://elpincheblog.com/la-grotesca-y-p ... -imagenes/

Thank you for posting these articles. I enjoyed the photos and the read.

I wonder if he went to the same plastic surgeon as Michael Jackson?

Badhusker wrote:

x2x wrote:Wilder - Scott

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Watch Scott's head especially in slow motion. It didn't even move as it would have if anything landed. Even the announcers went as far as they could go without losing their jobs.

Next we can discuss David Haye's two comeback "fights" and also his "fight" against Harrison.

You can't see the hook to the temple? Apparently you haven't even been punched. A hit like that from a guy that hits as hard as Wilder can definitely throw off your equilibrium.

That was not even remotely a punch that would cause someone to be KO'd....

bigman1968 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rew2bEA0tEc

Was he punched???

He sold that phantom punch like a champ.

x2x wrote:David Haye's first comeback fight vs di Mori. What do you think? To me di Mori looked like he was playing the sparring partner. Mostly he just stood there like a big punching bag. He threw a couple of jabs that didn't even come close and a couple of looping hooks telegraphed a mile. It was the guy's big chance. You'd think he would have given it all he had and gone for broke, no? Di Mori's record was 30-1-2 with 26 KO's and he hadn't lost in 25 fights. Nope, I don't buy it.




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=glcXVsBZNDw

Classic return opponent...he invited punches and the 1st solid one he laid down. Pay day.

Sinan Samil Sam v Julius Francis.

Julius Francis saw an opportunity to get out of a fight he knew he couldn't win & crumpled in an exaggerated heap from a body shot.

JoeCorrao wrote:
Classic return opponent...he invited punches and the 1st solid one he laid down. Pay day.

Same script in all these phony fights: the jobber pretends to throw punches but makes sure that they are not really dangerous, and then when something lands that he thinks he can sell he falls down.

x2x wrote:Wilder - Scott

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Watch Scott's head especially in slow motion. It didn't even move as it would have if anything landed. Even the announcers went as far as they could go without losing their jobs.

Next we can discuss David Haye's two comeback "fights" and also his "fight" against Harrison.

Wilder hit Scott on the temple. Genuine fight.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

x2x wrote:Wilder - Scott

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Watch Scott's head especially in slow motion. It didn't even move as it would have if anything landed. Even the announcers went as far as they could go without losing their jobs.

Next we can discuss David Haye's two comeback "fights" and also his "fight" against Harrison.

Wilder hit Scott on the temple. Genuine fight.

keithmoonhangover wrote:
Wilder hit Scott on the temple. Genuine fight.

Ha ha.

And Tony - are there ANY fights on this thread that you might find a teeny weeny suspicious, or do you think they are all for real?

You can clearly see that nobody was really "hit on the temple" - the left was just a slap and the right didn't even come close as u can see in the slow motion - and even the announcers hinted at it as best they could while still holding onto their jobs. The crowd booed.

Scott's completely controlled fall: he used his arm to stop his fall. That wasn't a knockdown that was a deliberate dive. And then the way that Wilder seemed to know the fight was over without even looking at the fallen Scott. He just grinned and started strutting around the ring. He didn't even go to a neutral corner to wait to see what was happening. He never even looked. He just started grinning and strutting.

My favorite announcer line: "Scott didn't come here just to fall down". Dry humor.

x2x wrote: My favorite announcer line: "Scott didn't come here just to fall down". Dry humor.

Nah.

Nothing new, really.

Just Bernstein doing what he does best


(whoring)

crow wrote:

x2x wrote: My favorite announcer line: "Scott didn't come here just to fall down". Dry humor.

Nah.

Nothing new, really.

Just Bernstein doing what he does best


(whoring)

What announcer is better than Bernstein? I can't think of one.

And Tony - are there ANY fights on this thread that you might find a teeny weeny suspicious, or do you think they are all for real?

You can clearly see that nobody was really "hit on the temple" - the left was just a slap and the right didn't even come close as u can see in the slow motion - and even the announcers hinted at it as best they could while still holding onto their jobs. The crowd booed.

Scott's completely controlled fall: he used his arm to stop his fall. That wasn't a knockdown that was a deliberate dive. And then the way that Wilder seemed to know the fight was over without even looking at the fallen Scott. He just grinned and started strutting around the ring. He didn't even go to a neutral corner to wait to see what was happening. He never even looked. He just started grinning and strutting.

My favorite announcer line: "Scott didn't come here just to fall down". Dry humor.[/quote] x2x


Of course some of these were fake fights. Green-Briggs. The Edwards and Rahman fights the guys just wanted to take a nap. Just because I believe Wilder-Scott was most likely real, I believe other fights are not. Regarding, Ali-Liston 2, a guy gave me a good argument that it was on the level, but I think that fight was likely fake.

Regarding the crowd booing means nothing to me. The crowd booed when Ernie Shaff took a "dive" against Carnera. Shaff went into a coma and never woke up. The "crowd" is often wrong. These days half the crowd was looking at their cell phone or a hot babe the instant Wilder landed his left hook. Of course they booed. They were disappointed. They wanted a longer fight.

Myth: If the neck doesn't snap, the fighter wasn't hurt.

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x2x wrote:

crow wrote:

x2x wrote: My favorite announcer line: "Scott didn't come here just to fall down". Dry humor.

Nah.

Nothing new, really.

Just Bernstein doing what he does best


(whoring)

I'm sure you're right, but that's the way it looks from here, droll humor. I wonder what the announcers said about it when they were off camera.

Tony1244 wrote:

crow wrote:

x2x wrote: My favorite announcer line: "Scott didn't come here just to fall down". Dry humor.

Nah.

Nothing new, really.

Just Bernstein doing what he does best


(whoring)

What announcer is better than Bernstein? I can't think of one.

I don't even pay attention to their names. George Foreman was good I thought. I like the old time announcers that simply announced what was going on in the ring - they learned their trade announcing fights on the radio - minus all the baloney they go on and on about now- the "thunderous blow" shillery a la wrestling announcers - "Omigod he hit him with a thunderous blow with the folding chair!" Actually I prefer to watch fights with announcers that speak a foreign language that I don't understand. Sure I could turn off the sound but then I'd lose the crowd noise which does add to the excitement.

Tony1244 wrote:
Of course some of these were fake fights. Green-Briggs. The Edwards and Rahman fights the guys just wanted to take a nap. Just because I believe Wilder-Scott was most likely real, I believe other fights are not. Regarding, Ali-Liston 2, a guy gave me a good argument that it was on the level, but I think that fight was likely fake.

Regarding the crowd booing means nothing to me. The crowd booed when Ernie Shaff took a "dive" against Carnera. Shaff went into a coma and never woke up. The "crowd" is often wrong. These days half the crowd was looking at their cell phone or a hot babe the instant Wilder landed his left hook. Of course they booed. They were disappointed. They wanted a longer fight.

Myth: If the neck doesn't snap, the fighter wasn't hurt.

"the crowd booing means nothing to me"

Yes, I agree with that.

"If the neck doesn't snap, the fighter wasn't hurt"

Well,if a hard blow is delivered to a movable object like a head you should see the movable object move, no?

Here are what real hard punches and real knockout punches look like. Compare them with the nonsense in the foney fights in this thread. Wladimir's fights, lots of genuine hard punches and real knockdowns and knockouts. See how the head moves and yes, the neck snaps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYqRuKXWsXg

Here's another one. Not exactly a famous fight, but the same formula. Not executed very well. Anyway, as Jack Bernstein would say, "The guy didn't come here to fall down!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwJYpdXmnwM

Blinky Palermo was one of Sonny Liston's Mafia handlers. His most famous fixed fight, aside from Liston's, was Jake LaMotta-Billy Fox 1947. I'd like to see how that one went but I can't find it online.

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Badhusker wrote:

x2x wrote:Wilder - Scott

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jws9K_RTCy4

Watch Scott's head especially in slow motion. It didn't even move as it would have if anything landed. Even the announcers went as far as they could go without losing their jobs.

Next we can discuss David Haye's two comeback "fights" and also his "fight" against Harrison.

You can't see the hook to the temple? Apparently you haven't even been punched. A hit like that from a guy that hits as hard as Wilder can definitely throw off your equilibrium.

I was thinking that. He gets a nice cuff with the left then a partially landed straight right. Maybe he could have got up if he'd tried a bit harder but a punch landing there can f*ck your balance up no end.