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TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Tanzio wrote:. . . and that fourth fight, what a catastrophe that the let JMM take such horrible damage

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Had a drink, lad?

What is embarrassing is that there are boxing fans that think that was a proper spot to pull your fighter. He wasn't even wobbling.

This is why boxing is essentially in the toilet.

Tanzio wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Yeah and they should stopped the legendary Pac v Jmm fight after the third or fifth KD. That would have been just fantastic for boxing.

Yeah, great comparison.

Brook wasn't even wobbled. He had done his best work in the second half of the rounds.

I admit that it was close to over but if Brook survived the round far more fantastic things have happened.

Utter, 100% bullshit towel.

Wasn't even wobbled? He threw nothing for almost a minute, chose to stay on the ropes rather than get back to the centre of the ring, his demeanour was clearly changed from the earlier rounds. He might have made it out of the round, but to what end? Another minute of punishment in that round and more in the sixth? Just tell me what point it would have served.

No one knows their fighter better than their own corner. They most likely know him and his tendencies in the ring better than he does. So, looking at it like that, this was in all likelihood the proper decision. It looked to me that the pressure was catching up to Brook and just seeing a monster like G just eat his shots and plodding forward was getting to be a bit too much. The ending was inevitable by the time the towel was thrown...

However... I thought Brook was bothering G quite a bit with his boxing and speed, and I can see why a judge would give him a round or two. He definitely took the 2nd.

Good fight while it lasted.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
Yeah, great comparison.

Brook wasn't even wobbled. He had done his best work in the second half of the rounds.

I admit that it was close to over but if Brook survived the round far more fantastic things have happened.

Utter, 100% bullshit towel.

Wasn't even wobbled? He threw nothing for almost a minute, chose to stay on the ropes rather than get back to the centre of the ring, his demeanour was clearly changed from the earlier rounds. He might have made it out of the round, but to what end? Another minute of punishment in that round and more in the sixth? Just tell me what point it would have served.

Again, let's just cede 3G W's for the rest of his career and let him retire now undefeated so nobody has to endure any punishment from him.

Whatever. Who really gives a sh!t about this bullsh!t anymore?

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
He clearly won the second. Handily. Say what you like but if you can't recognise that I wouldn't bother worrying about the state of boxing, I'd go and educate myself about the sport.

Yes he did win the second round. At least that's my opinion. But it was not handily. GGG stalked him the entire rd and Brook did nothing for the entire round except for the 20 seconds between 2:10 - 2:30 mark. I just think we were all so surprised to see somebody getting the best of GGG. He did enough in those 20 seconds to take the rd for sure.

Tanzio wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Brook wasn't even wobbled. He had done his best work in the second half of the rounds.

I admit that it was close to over but if Brook survived the round far more fantastic things have happened.

Utter, 100% bullshit towel.

Wasn't even wobbled? He threw nothing for almost a minute, chose to stay on the ropes rather than get back to the centre of the ring, his demeanour was clearly changed from the earlier rounds. He might have made it out of the round, but to what end? Another minute of punishment in that round and more in the sixth? Just tell me what point it would have served.

Again, let's just cede 3G W's for the rest of his career and let him retire now undefeated so nobody has to endure any punishment from him.

Whatever. Who really gives a sh!t about this bullsh!t anymore?

Aye, okay.

thomasjkelley wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
He clearly won the second. Handily. Say what you like but if you can't recognise that I wouldn't bother worrying about the state of boxing, I'd go and educate myself about the sport.

Yes he did win the second round. At least that's my opinion. But it was not handily. GGG stalked him the entire rd and Brook did nothing for the entire round except for the 20 seconds between 2:10 - 2:30 mark. I just think we were all so surprised to see somebody getting the best of GGG. He did enough in those 20 seconds to take the rd for sure.

He landed the cleanest and best shots, for me that seemed handily. And given the way GGG flew out of the corner in the next round showed he was impressed either.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Badhusker wrote:A couple of things bother me about this fight. I have not seen any post fight talk, but did Brook blabber on about how he made GGG's knees buckle a couple of times? I must have missed that. I think giving Brook round two is fair, but apparently the scorecards had him ahead at the time of stoppage? Brook said he thought GGG would be a bigger puncher?

“I hurt him. I saw his legs buckle a couple of times. I expected him to be a bigger puncher,” said Brook. “I thought I was tricking him,” said Brook.

wtf

Brook being in front on the cards us what is wrong with boxing. Absolute joke, judges cream their pants for a guy on his bike everytime. Brook didnt win a round.

He clearly won the second. Handily. Say what you like but if you can't recognise that I wouldn't bother worrying about the state of boxing, I'd go and educate myself about the sport.

You should educate yourself on the difference between a pitty pattty jab and full blooded rip to the ribs, maybe it will spare the rest of us from these intolerable cards

What's up with the clear and obvious knockdown in round 2 being called a slip? Did anyone else see it differently? Why did Lampley think it was so obvious that GGG was in clear agreement? It was a left hook off the head. I don't understand. Anybody tape the fight? I want to know for sure. Maybe I'm blind. It looked clean to me.

Ricky_ wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:
Brook being in front on the cards us what is wrong with boxing. Absolute joke, judges cream their pants for a guy on his bike everytime. Brook didnt win a round.

He clearly won the second. Handily. Say what you like but if you can't recognise that I wouldn't bother worrying about the state of boxing, I'd go and educate myself about the sport.

You should educate yourself on the difference between a pitty pattty jab and full blooded rip to the ribs, maybe it will spare the rest of us from these intolerable cards

It's funny, everyone gave him the second. Except you. But I guess you're right, perhaps it's that you just don't understand what you're watching, like saying the shots he landed were pitty patty jabs. I saw good shots and a decent uppercut that snapped GGGs head back, pitty patty though, eh?

On reflection I think Dom Ingle did the correct thing. Brook had become very passive and wasn't throwing back. He might have been able to survive but he also would have very likely sustained a serious injury and even a possible brain bleed.

I was just reacting on emotion and was pissed because I lost a bet. Thinking about it logically though, it was the right call.

The ending seemed very timid... but If your fighter is complaining of vision problems you pull the plug faster... If he's saying "I'm seeing 4 Golovkin's out of my right eye" you're definitely going to be concerned because he's already a massive underdog with 2 good eyes... However, I'm not exactly sure about the 4 GGG's he was seeing.. The eye didn't look that bad, but you have to listen to your fighter.. Brook made tons of money in this fight and wanted to live to spend it.

I gave GGG rounds 1,3, and 4... Brook scored a terrific left uppercut in the 2nd and deserved the round... The 5th was turning out tot be another 2-point round... Round 1 was a 2-point round because Brook was in danger of being knocked out.. I think Chris Eubank would make the best opponent for Triple-G at Middleweight.. Saunders will likely accept the fight because he's been hiding from a Eubank rematch... Jacobs is also out there.

It will be interesting to see how Canelo looks at 154 next week... It will be the 1st time in over 3 years he's made the 154 limit if he gets there... He's 26 years old now and not getting smaller -- always looking like a Light Heavyweight -- and never looking like he has an ounce to spare even after rehydrating during the 28 to 33-hour window.

Here is a thought.... If Brooks team knew the eye damage was done in round 3 and Brook was seeing 5 of GGG, why didn't they stop it then? Wouldn't it be a no contest due to injury if before round 4?

Badhusker wrote:Here is a thought.... If Brooks team knew the eye damage was done in round 3 and Brook was seeing 5 of GGG, why didn't they stop it then? Wouldn't it be a no contest due to injury if before round 4?

Only if stopped by the doctor.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Here is a thought.... If Brooks team knew the eye damage was done in round 3 and Brook was seeing 5 of GGG, why didn't they stop it then? Wouldn't it be a no contest due to injury if before round 4?

Only if stopped by the doctor.

It's not a "no contest" if the injury is a result of being punched in the face by the other guy.

hhaehre wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Here is a thought.... If Brooks team knew the eye damage was done in round 3 and Brook was seeing 5 of GGG, why didn't they stop it then? Wouldn't it be a no contest due to injury if before round 4?

Only if stopped by the doctor.

It's not a "no contest" if the injury is a result of being punched in the face by the other guy.

It would go to the cards, no? Kell was allegedly ahead.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
Only if stopped by the doctor.

It's not a "no contest" if the injury is a result of being punched in the face by the other guy.

It would go to the cards, no? Kell was allegedly ahead.

No, not if its caused by a punch.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:
Only if stopped by the doctor.

It's not a "no contest" if the injury is a result of being punched in the face by the other guy.

It would go to the cards, no? Kell was allegedly ahead.

No. Like hhaehre said Golovkin punched the injury into Brook so it would have been a TKO either way - you can't just stop a fight part of the way through on a whim. If the ref doesn't see some (accidental or deliberate) foul that causes one of the fighters a fight ending injury you have to fight on.

All in all it was a pretty good fight while it lasted I thought. Brook posed GGG some problems but ultimately wasn't big or robust enough to stay the course. Plenty of interesting fights left for Brook at 154.

punchoutsb wrote:

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

hhaehre wrote: It's not a "no contest" if the injury is a result of being punched in the face by the other guy.

It would go to the cards, no? Kell was allegedly ahead.

No, not if its caused by a punch.

Otherwise a doctor could just run in in the middle of a count and say "this man is concussed and unable to continue" and the fight would have to go to cards.

from a fan's point of view it was a disappointing ending. it robbed the chance of a great or dramatic ending. But while it would be great to have a wild story to tell my son, it's more important Brook survives to tell stories to his own kids.

turn2stone wrote:from a fan's point of view it was a disappointing ending. it robbed the chance of a great or dramatic ending. But while it would be great to have a wild story to tell my son, it's more important Brook survives to tell stories to his own kids.

To be honest, then he should not be a professional boxer at all. Maybe boxing should be banned altogether.

TheDarkDestroyer wrote:

TempleSlave wrote:BS BS BS BS BS....
That looked soo fixed... GGG was told not to hurt the local boy, to make it look competitive, for the first few rounds. Then was allowed to unleash. Brook doesn't even look too disappointed.

I've never broken my eye socket, doesn't it hurt then?

I suffered a bit of an "orbital blow out" ( as they call them ) over my left eye back in the good old days of my career in the ring & I can tell you, it's not so bad. When the clash of heads ( or, more accurately, when the top of his coconut head smashed into my face! ) occurred, it "only" felt like getting hit in the puss with a shovel AND having a hot poker being driven into my eye simultaneously. LOL.
Seriously, yeah, it hurt like hell.
And, the after effects ( like brutal headaches & double vision ) sucked as well.
Peace.

Broken eye socket confirmed by Brook and Xray shared. Op next week

Tanzio wrote:

turn2stone wrote:from a fan's point of view it was a disappointing ending. it robbed the chance of a great or dramatic ending. But while it would be great to have a wild story to tell my son, it's more important Brook survives to tell stories to his own kids.

To be honest, then he should not be a professional boxer at all. Maybe boxing should be banned altogether.

You sound very bitter. How much money did you lose ?

I have previously proclaimed the GGG-Brook bout to be a “business fight” that was a “borderline mismatch”, whereby Brook would only be competitive with Golovkin for a few rounds (at most).

I also correctly predicted that the GGG-Brook bout would be a “horrendous mismatch” that would only last “as long as GGG wanted it to”, because “he’ll try to put on a “big drama show” to impress and excite the UK fans… by expecting him to “carry” Brook and force a stoppage before the end of the fifth round.

As a British patriot, I admit that I am slightly disappointed about the fact that everything that I had predicted had actually transpired, because I wanted Kell Brook to score an upset victory over Golovkin.

That being said, GGG’s performance tonight was quite simply majestic. He openly admits the fact that he wasn’t faced with a genuine middleweight opponent, which allowed him to treat Brook’s shots with total contempt, allowing him to become defensively irresponsible, whilst on a seek-and-destroy mission against the cocky welterweight.

Golovkin allowed the Brit to land his shots at will in order to successfully excite the crowd in order to put on a “big drama show”, whilst apparently stopping the much smaller welterweight with ease in the fifth round, because when the Kazakh decided to close the show, the Brit became utterly defenceless, which was hugely impressive to witness.

I watched the bout with a few friends, all of which were only vaguely interested in the sport, so they were influenced in the noise emitted from the crowd, leading them to believe that it was a competitive fight, when in fact it wasn’t.

To be honest, I was sincerely pleased about the fact that Dominic Ingle threw in the towel, despite the booing from the crowd, because Kell Brook was in dire need of protection.

Whilst I’m impressed with Golovkin’s consistent performances, I am beginning to grow weary about the fact that he nearly always engages in mismatches, because his resume is really poor.

I genuinely believe that GGG has the potential to become a first ballot Hall-of-Famer, but he needs to defeat a big name opponent in order to achieve that feat, which will inevitably require compromises in terms of weight and purse split.

As a side note - Anyone that believes that Golovkin possesses a porous defence, because of the high volume of shots that Brook landed, is being naïve. GGG allowed the Brit to land his blows to excite the crowd, because the punches weren’t damaging.