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Teddy's Toupee wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:Funny thing is ......one of the posters on here who knocking Kell boxed with a hand injury can't remember if it was broken or not and got thrown out for not trying.....

Sad isn't it!
Someone with a 0-19 record sees a young kid from the same gym develop and then he posts on here that he'll never be a world champion. No praise for the kid when he wins a world title and now he's lost for the first time in 37, against a murderous puncher from 2 weight divisions above, he's back on his keyboard again!

It was broken, four days before I got in the ring. The lad I was in with was the number ten middleweight in the country and I took the fight at 24 hours notice although I'd not been in the gym for four or five weeks. I wasn't thrown out, the ref stopped the fight at the end of the fifth. I don't remember pulling any faces, or waving my hand around and I took my lumps with a poker face. If you're suggesting I'm hiding behind my keyboard, Chris, just say so. Kell's a world class fighter and I agree with littlepug that you shouldn't let your opponent know that an injury is bothering you. The matchup was a cynical one. Any reasonable person would take the view that both Dominic and Kell didn't honestly believe he had a realistic chance of winning and the large purse on offer, along with the fact that his world title at welterweight wouldn't be affected by the outcome, was the major motivating factor in taking the bout.

coneye wrote:
Agree with this comment , money would definetly be the reason for it , and who can blame them . regards the fight well Brook was elusive and speedy catching a slow lumbering GGG with shots for a few moments , then GGG warmed up , loosedned up and started to get out of 1st gear , once he hit second gear Brooks copped one on the eye and started nursing a bump , and looking to his corner for help , GGG started revving towards 3rd gear and they packed it in ,, , don't get hurt and live to fight another day

Now regards the broken / fractured eye socket , i don't know how many on here have had one .. But i have and it went like this ,,, I got hit and knew straight away it was'nt a normal hit ,, obviously you feel it and touch it ,,, But mine was'nt a little bump, the bone and tissue above the eye swelled INSTANTLY and my eye closed within SECONDS ,, then i could'nt see not see double or triple but could'nt see ... Within 5 - 10 miniutes it went from a egg above my eye forcing the lid shut , to like an orange placed on my eye , the eye lid looked like it was on my cheek and it turned that black it looked purple ,,
Now the doctor said i had to have a CT scan , a xray being a WASTE OF TIME they said that with all the swelling and bruising associated with eye socket fractures x rays often don't show fractures up , ,, End result i had a Xray and nothing showed , they then gave me a ct scan and said it was fractured ... the next day i looked like a Panda they said the bruising (black eye ) was bad that when it can't fill.. anymore it simply moves to the next eye .

They also informed me that i was lucky the fracture was ABOVE the eye , because to put it simply if it was below the eye they said they would off had to put a metal plate to stop the eye dropping ,

Now i'm not saying he did'nt fracture his socket , but to me with my own experience it just looked like a bump / lump bad enough for him to say eff this get me out of here ,, but definetly did'nt look bad enough to be fractured , and any x rays that may be produced by Eddie well if it was that bad , did they have a ct scan .

It is what it is ,, It was a money fight , and when GGG started to warm up the exit plan came into action ,, Throw the towel in so whats wrong with that ,, suppose it depends how you look at it some may say smart ,, some may say its ripping fans off .

Myself i'm going to sit on the fence But i will say this IF he fights Canelo ,, he will lose again in fact he will get stopped ,, i base this simply on the fact , Canelo has refused to fight GGG at the moment and its obvious he wants to win when he does , so he wants the fight at a later date , and will probably put his balls on the line

Brook took the GGG fight but looked for a way out has soon has he got hit ,,

If the two of them fight , and it comes to a war BROOK WILL GIVE IN and say UNCLE ,,, he'll look at Ingle and give him a nod which means HELP

coneye wrote:The matchup was a cynical one. Any reasonable person would take the view that both Dominic and Kell didn't honestly believe he had a realistic chance of winning and the large purse on offer, along with the fact that his world title at welterweight wouldn't be affected by the outcome, was the major motivating factor in taking the bout.

coneye wrote:The matchup was a cynical one. Any reasonable person would take the view that both Dominic and Kell didn't honestly believe he had a realistic chance of winning and the large purse on offer, along with the fact that his world title at welterweight wouldn't be affected by the outcome, was the major motivating factor in taking the bout.

Switch hitter wrote:

Teddy's Toupee wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:
Sad isn't it!
Someone with a 0-19 record sees a young kid from the same gym develop and then he posts on here that he'll never be a world champion. No praise for the kid when he wins a world title and now he's lost for the first time in 37, against a murderous puncher from 2 weight divisions above, he's back on his keyboard again!

It was broken, four days before I got in the ring. The lad I was in with was the number ten middleweight in the country and I took the fight at 24 hours notice although I'd not been in the gym for four or five weeks. I wasn't thrown out, the ref stopped the fight at the end of the fifth. I don't remember pulling any faces, or waving my hand around and I took my lumps with a poker face. If you're suggesting I'm hiding behind my keyboard, Chris, just say so. Kell's a world class fighter and I agree with littlepug that you shouldn't let your opponent know that an injury is bothering you. The matchup was a cynical one. Any reasonable person would take the view that both Dominic and Kell didn't honestly believe he had a realistic chance of winning and the large purse on offer, along with the fact that his world title at welterweight wouldn't be affected by the outcome, was the major motivating factor in taking the bout.

Not at all Robert you always say what you feel and people know who you are...so the fight you got thrown out for not trying you wasn't injured

Teddy's Toupee wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:

Teddy's Toupee wrote: It was broken, four days before I got in the ring. The lad I was in with was the number ten middleweight in the country and I took the fight at 24 hours notice although I'd not been in the gym for four or five weeks. I wasn't thrown out, the ref stopped the fight at the end of the fifth. I don't remember pulling any faces, or waving my hand around and I took my lumps with a poker face. If you're suggesting I'm hiding behind my keyboard, Chris, just say so. Kell's a world class fighter and I agree with littlepug that you shouldn't let your opponent know that an injury is bothering you. The matchup was a cynical one. Any reasonable person would take the view that both Dominic and Kell didn't honestly believe he had a realistic chance of winning and the large purse on offer, along with the fact that his world title at welterweight wouldn't be affected by the outcome, was the major motivating factor in taking the bout.

Not at all Robert you always say what you feel and people know who you are...so the fight you got thrown out for not trying you wasn't injured

I had a broken left hand, I'll show you the scar from the operation if you like. You and Pugilist Specialist have both decided to indulge in a personal attack on me in this thread in what I can only assume is an attempt to try and embarass and humiliate me for expressing agreement with another poster, who I also believe is an ex-pro . I would be critical of any professional fighter who reacted in such a way to to a facial injury during a fight. Are only undefeated world champion boxers allowed to express an opinion? The way you both appear on any and all threads with Ingle boxers related comments offering your uncritical support and attacking anyone who doesn't, makes the both of you seem like a pair of cult members This is my last word on this thread, and if you or Pugilist Specialist want to reply to me, please do so in a PM.

Rob3_142 wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Letting the mask slip only makes the night harder. I remember Foreman raging over Bowe lying down every time Golota hit him in the balls. His attitude was you absorb all pain and show your opponent nothing. Again, Tucker had his orbital bone shattered vs Seldon and carried himself as if walking to the shop for a paper. I don't mean to criticise Brook, his challenge was wonderful, I just feel his registering his injury so graphically possibly made his night worse. Cerdan went on against LaMotta with a broken arm! I just wonder if so much soft match making ultimately robs a potentially great talent of the classic boxing mental tricks necessary to wriggle through the rocky fights.

Wriggle through the rocky fights? He was fighting GGG, arguably one of the greatest of all time, and the absolute best of a generation. He broke his cheekbone in the second round, and according to the scorecards was ahead up until the 5th round. You don't mean to criticise Brook, but you are, unfairly. It seems to me that you haven't experienced high level competition, and ever an injury during.

The fight was going one direction, Brook's eye was visibly busted up, so it was no mystery to GGG why he was clutching it. All it was doing was illustrating a quite serious situation to his corner, and had he decided to 'poker face' Ingle might not have thrown the towel in when he did. You just need to accept and agree that the right decision was made, and the clutching of his eye only helped the right decision be reached.

littlepug wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Letting the mask slip only makes the night harder. I remember Foreman raging over Bowe lying down every time Golota hit him in the balls. His attitude was you absorb all pain and show your opponent nothing. Again, Tucker had his orbital bone shattered vs Seldon and carried himself as if walking to the shop for a paper. I don't mean to criticise Brook, his challenge was wonderful, I just feel his registering his injury so graphically possibly made his night worse. Cerdan went on against LaMotta with a broken arm! I just wonder if so much soft match making ultimately robs a potentially great talent of the classic boxing mental tricks necessary to wriggle through the rocky fights.

Wriggle through the rocky fights? He was fighting GGG, arguably one of the greatest of all time, and the absolute best of a generation. He broke his cheekbone in the second round, and according to the scorecards was ahead up until the 5th round. You don't mean to criticise Brook, but you are, unfairly. It seems to me that you haven't experienced high level competition, and ever an injury during.

The fight was going one direction, Brook's eye was visibly busted up, so it was no mystery to GGG why he was clutching it. All it was doing was illustrating a quite serious situation to his corner, and had he decided to 'poker face' Ingle might not have thrown the towel in when he did. You just need to accept and agree that the right decision was made, and the clutching of his eye only helped the right decision be reached.

he clutched at the eye during the fight and then again when he got back to his corner, in the corner is ok but not when your stood in front of your opponent

nitro5912 wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Wriggle through the rocky fights? He was fighting GGG, arguably one of the greatest of all time, and the absolute best of a generation. He broke his cheekbone in the second round, and according to the scorecards was ahead up until the 5th round. You don't mean to criticise Brook, but you are, unfairly. It seems to me that you haven't experienced high level competition, and ever an injury during.

The fight was going one direction, Brook's eye was visibly busted up, so it was no mystery to GGG why he was clutching it. All it was doing was illustrating a quite serious situation to his corner, and had he decided to 'poker face' Ingle might not have thrown the towel in when he did. You just need to accept and agree that the right decision was made, and the clutching of his eye only helped the right decision be reached.

he clutched at the eye during the fight and then again when he got back to his corner, in the corner is ok but not when your stood in front of your opponent

Do you think GGG didn't notice that his eye was swelling & bruising?

Would you try to continue whilst seeing numerous visions of the man in front without trying to focus your eye?

3mins with one of the hardest hitting boxers around is a long time, but with double vision it probably feels even longer.

I think you are being totally unfair on kell who was trying to get his vision in order to carry on fighting.

MightyWarrior wrote:Didn't Kell say he was rubbing the eye to try to stop blurring and get focus ?

Makes complete sense if that's the case.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
Brook's DAD? He's shown an interest now has he, now that Kell's making millions? Weird!

He means Terry his step Dad....

Ahhhhh...

nitro5912 wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Wriggle through the rocky fights? He was fighting GGG, arguably one of the greatest of all time, and the absolute best of a generation. He broke his cheekbone in the second round, and according to the scorecards was ahead up until the 5th round. You don't mean to criticise Brook, but you are, unfairly. It seems to me that you haven't experienced high level competition, and ever an injury during.

The fight was going one direction, Brook's eye was visibly busted up, so it was no mystery to GGG why he was clutching it. All it was doing was illustrating a quite serious situation to his corner, and had he decided to 'poker face' Ingle might not have thrown the towel in when he did. You just need to accept and agree that the right decision was made, and the clutching of his eye only helped the right decision be reached.

he clutched at the eye during the fight and then again when he got back to his corner, in the corner is ok but not when your stood in front of your opponent

Do you think GGG didn't notice that his eye was swelling & bruising?

Would you try to continue whilst seeing numerous visions of the man in front without trying to focus your eye?

3mins with one of the hardest hitting boxers around is a long time, but with double vision it probably feels even longer.

I think you are being totally unfair on kell who was trying to get his vision in order to carry on fighting.

littlepug wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:

littlepug wrote: he clutched at the eye during the fight and then again when he got back to his corner, in the corner is ok but not when your stood in front of your opponent

Do you think GGG didn't notice that his eye was swelling & bruising?

Would you try to continue whilst seeing numerous visions of the man in front without trying to focus your eye?

3mins with one of the hardest hitting boxers around is a long time, but with double vision it probably feels even longer.

I think you are being totally unfair on kell who was trying to get his vision in order to carry on fighting.

don't think im being unfair for pointing out that brook potentially made his job harder by showing visible distress, im not picking on brook and I think they did the right thing by pulling him out its just something I hate to see

BigDoofus wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:

littlepug wrote: he clutched at the eye during the fight and then again when he got back to his corner, in the corner is ok but not when your stood in front of your opponent

Do you think GGG didn't notice that his eye was swelling & bruising?

Would you try to continue whilst seeing numerous visions of the man in front without trying to focus your eye?

3mins with one of the hardest hitting boxers around is a long time, but with double vision it probably feels even longer.

I think you are being totally unfair on kell who was trying to get his vision in order to carry on fighting.

Legends of the game such as Foch, Haye, Leonard and Holyfield have praised Brook for his brave performance. A couple of internet posters have chosen to try and stick the knife in. Possible agendas?

littlepug wrote: no agendas mate just the fact as I see them, im a boxing fan and former boxer, one of the many people that support the sport and as such I have the right to criticize whoever I like, things like that may not bother you but I demand a high level of performance from the boxers that are making life changing money and tapping your injury ( didn't look like he was rubbing it) is a no no in my book, just reveals a character flaw that's all, remember what this game is all about, they are PROFFESIONAL FIGHTERS

mickey1975 wrote:I've witnessed, first hand, pro trainers telling their overmatched fighter they will pull them out if it gets too much. It's a very common tactic used every week of the year.

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

littlepug wrote: no agendas mate just the fact as I see them, im a boxing fan and former boxer, one of the many people that support the sport and as such I have the right to criticize whoever I like, things like that may not bother you but I demand a high level of performance from the boxers that are making life changing money and tapping your injury ( didn't look like he was rubbing it) is a no no in my book, just reveals a character flaw that's all, remember what this game is all about, they are PROFFESIONAL FIGHTERS

If Kell was a quitter he could have took a knee many times during the fight.
Kell explained in a radio interview he was touching his eye to re-focus it but then GGG would hit him on it and it would go again! You seem to be splitting hairs about "tapping" or "rubbing", but whatever he did after getting that injury worked as that 2nd round was one of the best rounds I've ever seen.
Would it kill you to give the kid a bit of credit?

littlepug wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

littlepug wrote: no agendas mate just the fact as I see them, im a boxing fan and former boxer, one of the many people that support the sport and as such I have the right to criticize whoever I like, things like that may not bother you but I demand a high level of performance from the boxers that are making life changing money and tapping your injury ( didn't look like he was rubbing it) is a no no in my book, just reveals a character flaw that's all, remember what this game is all about, they are PROFFESIONAL FIGHTERS

If Kell was a quitter he could have took a knee many times during the fight.
Kell explained in a radio interview he was touching his eye to re-focus it but then GGG would hit him on it and it would go again! You seem to be splitting hairs about "tapping" or "rubbing", but whatever he did after getting that injury worked as that 2nd round was one of the best rounds I've ever seen.
Would it kill you to give the kid a bit of credit?

kudos to brook who was in an impossible situation but I still hold him to the same standards that I do everybody else, not saying he was a quitter but his reaction to it is a pet hate of mine, in the past I have seen the likes of Antonio margarita, tommy Morrison, Arthur Abraham and danny Williams among many others fight with injuries without making it a focal point of the fight and that is where the bar is set, and I wouldn't put too much into what you hear in interviews its pretty much always generic B.S

littlepug wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

littlepug wrote: no agendas mate just the fact as I see them, im a boxing fan and former boxer, one of the many people that support the sport and as such I have the right to criticize whoever I like, things like that may not bother you but I demand a high level of performance from the boxers that are making life changing money and tapping your injury ( didn't look like he was rubbing it) is a no no in my book, just reveals a character flaw that's all, remember what this game is all about, they are PROFFESIONAL FIGHTERS

If Kell was a quitter he could have took a knee many times during the fight.
Kell explained in a radio interview he was touching his eye to re-focus it but then GGG would hit him on it and it would go again! You seem to be splitting hairs about "tapping" or "rubbing", but whatever he did after getting that injury worked as that 2nd round was one of the best rounds I've ever seen.
Would it kill you to give the kid a bit of credit?

kudos to brook who was in an impossible situation but I still hold him to the same standards that I do everybody else, not saying he was a quitter but his reaction to it is a pet hate of mine, in the past I have seen the likes of Antonio margarita, tommy Morrison, Arthur Abraham and danny Williams among many others fight with injuries without making it a focal point of the fight and that is where the bar is set, and I wouldn't put too much into what you hear in interviews its pretty much always generic B.S

Pugilist-specialist wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:
If Kell was a quitter he could have took a knee many times during the fight.
Kell explained in a radio interview he was touching his eye to re-focus it but then GGG would hit him on it and it would go again! You seem to be splitting hairs about "tapping" or "rubbing", but whatever he did after getting that injury worked as that 2nd round was one of the best rounds I've ever seen.
Would it kill you to give the kid a bit of credit?

kudos to brook who was in an impossible situation but I still hold him to the same standards that I do everybody else, not saying he was a quitter but his reaction to it is a pet hate of mine, in the past I have seen the likes of Antonio margarita, tommy Morrison, Arthur Abraham and danny Williams among many others fight with injuries without making it a focal point of the fight and that is where the bar is set, and I wouldn't put too much into what you hear in interviews its pretty much always generic B.S

It was hardly the focal point of the fight. Except for a couple of ex-pros on here who seem very reluctant to give Kell any credit, I've not seen it mentioned.

nitro5912 wrote:

littlepug wrote:

Pugilist-specialist wrote:
If Kell was a quitter he could have took a knee many times during the fight.
Kell explained in a radio interview he was touching his eye to re-focus it but then GGG would hit him on it and it would go again! You seem to be splitting hairs about "tapping" or "rubbing", but whatever he did after getting that injury worked as that 2nd round was one of the best rounds I've ever seen.
Would it kill you to give the kid a bit of credit?

kudos to brook who was in an impossible situation but I still hold him to the same standards that I do everybody else, not saying he was a quitter but his reaction to it is a pet hate of mine, in the past I have seen the likes of Antonio margarita, tommy Morrison, Arthur Abraham and danny Williams among many others fight with injuries without making it a focal point of the fight and that is where the bar is set, and I wouldn't put too much into what you hear in interviews its pretty much always generic B.S

It is slightly different to a hand injury, dislocated shoulder or cuts. The guy was seeing double, he would to have been super human to get through a fight with double vision.

I think you are judging him extremely harsh considering the injury. Ask yourself how long could you last taking punches whilst seeing numerous visions of the man hitting you.