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jujigatame wrote:That's exactly what he did with the Stevenson/Kovalev purse bid. Totally outwitted Kathy Duva.

Yeah. He made her look like a total amateur.

By the way- does anyone remember the ridiculous bid he put in to win the rights to Dirrell-Degale. It was a crazy sum. He is willing to gamble at times even if it doesn't pay off.

no reason for him to want to win this bid.

lefty wrote:

crusader wrote:If Loeffler recommended the bid I imagine that K2 doesn't just plan to lie down and drop the belt. Maybe they've got a lot of cash to bid with...

Or they just can't come to an agreement which sounds the more likely scenario.

If it was as simple as Haymon winning the purse bid with a huge sum, which you seem to think is the case, would K2 push for the purse bid? Do you think they've pretty much already made a decision to drop the belt and calling for the bid is their way of getting the ball rolling with vacating?

And do you think they're not aware of what happened with Main Events?

They have no choice once the mandate is made for the fight. K2 shoukd be able to get this cheap.

crusader wrote:

lefty wrote:

crusader wrote:If Loeffler recommended the bid I imagine that K2 doesn't just plan to lie down and drop the belt. Maybe they've got a lot of cash to bid with...

Or they just can't come to an agreement which sounds the more likely scenario.

If it was as simple as Haymon winning the purse bid with a huge sum, which you seem to think is the case, would K2 push for the purse bid? Do you think they've pretty much already made a decision to drop the belt and calling for the bid is their way of getting the ball rolling with vacating?

And do you think they're not aware of what happened with Main Events?

What else are K2 supposed to do if they can't come to a mutual agreement on the financials of the bout?

They still had time left to work something out.

So you think they've essentially already decided to vacate with this? Is the belt as good as gone now?

crusader wrote:They still had time left to work something out.

So you think they've essentially already decided to vacate with this? Is the belt as good as gone now?

No my own personal take is that they can't come to a mutual agreement and thus K2 have said we'll go to a purse bid and hope Haymon doesn't want it. Its not like there's any other alternative bar them just giving up the belt straight away which would cause them to lose face.

Ok, but you've already said without qualification that Haymon is going to win a bid by putting down a huge bid. So I take it that you think the belt is good as gone if nothing gets worked out?

By the way, the negotiation period has been extended.

crusader wrote:Ok, but you've already said without qualification that Haymon is going to win a bid by putting down a huge bid. So I take it that you think the belt is good as gone if nothing gets worked out?

By the way, the negotiation period has been extended.

No I said there was a possibility of that happening.

Haymon will win the purse bid and then Golovkin will vacate the belt because he can't fight off of HBO.

Where is the qualification? So you think it's just one possibility?

I wonder how other PBC guys would feel for such a big bid to be placed for Jacobs, when they can't even get a fight.

crusader wrote:

Haymon will win the purse bid and then Golovkin will vacate the belt because he can't fight off of HBO.

Where is the qualification? So you think it's just one possibility?

I was being facetious in that post. My posts within this thread said Haymon could put a ridiculous bid in knowing that Loeffler can't compete with the bid and thus Golovkin would have to vacate because he can't fight off of HBO.

It would be a calculated gamble knowing that Jacobs would get the belt and he wouldnt have to pay out for the bout either. He wins all around.

crusader wrote:

Haymon will win the purse bid and then Golovkin will vacate the belt because he can't fight off of HBO.

Where is the qualification? So you think it's just one possibility?

I wonder how other PBC guys would feel for such a big bid to be placed for Jacobs, when they can't even get a fight.

That's exactly why lefty is dead wrong.

lefty wrote:

crusader wrote:

Haymon will win the purse bid and then Golovkin will vacate the belt because he can't fight off of HBO.

Where is the qualification? So you think it's just one possibility?

I was being facetious in that post. My posts within this thread said Haymon could put a ridiculous bid in knowing that Loeffler can't compete with the bid and thus Golovkin would have to vacate because he can't fight off of HBO.

It would be a calculated gamble knowing that Jacobs would get the belt and he wouldnt have to pay out for the bout either. He wins all around.

He wins all around when his fighter, and himself, get no fight and no money? That's an odd 'victory'

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

crusader wrote:

Haymon will win the purse bid and then Golovkin will vacate the belt because he can't fight off of HBO.

Where is the qualification? So you think it's just one possibility?

I wonder how other PBC guys would feel for such a big bid to be placed for Jacobs, when they can't even get a fight.

That's exactly why lefty is dead wrong.

Did you see the bid that Haymon put in for Dirrell-Degale? $3.1 million. What was the logic behind that bid? Dirrell can't sell for shit.

He outbid Hearn by over a million dollars. If he wins this bid he either gets Jacobs the full title or he gets Golovkin on PBC. Not a bad gamble.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote:

crusader wrote:
Where is the qualification? So you think it's just one possibility?

I was being facetious in that post. My posts within this thread said Haymon could put a ridiculous bid in knowing that Loeffler can't compete with the bid and thus Golovkin would have to vacate because he can't fight off of HBO.

It would be a calculated gamble knowing that Jacobs would get the belt and he wouldnt have to pay out for the bout either. He wins all around.

He wins all around when his fighter, and himself, get no fight and no money? That's an odd 'victory'

He wins all around because he doesnt have to pay out and Jacobs gets the full title for doing nothing.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

crusader wrote:
Where is the qualification? So you think it's just one possibility?

I wonder how other PBC guys would feel for such a big bid to be placed for Jacobs, when they can't even get a fight.

That's exactly why lefty is dead wrong.

Did you see the bid that Haymon put in for Dirrell-Degale? $3.1 million. What was the logic behind that bid? Dirrell can't sell for poo.

He outbid Hearn by over a million dollars. If he wins this bid he either gets Jacobs the full title or he gets Golovkin on PBC. Not a bad gamble.

He had a piece of both fighters there. Not remotely the same scenario. He has the b side of this equation. Al makes money on fights when his fighters are in them. 75% of this bid goes to ggg and he gets nothing. So best case for him is he wastes a bunch of time and ggg drops the belt. Worst case he pays ggg a bunch of money to beat one of his top guys. Poor business.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: That's exactly why lefty is dead wrong.

Did you see the bid that Haymon put in for Dirrell-Degale? $3.1 million. What was the logic behind that bid? Dirrell can't sell for poo.

He outbid Hearn by over a million dollars. If he wins this bid he either gets Jacobs the full title or he gets Golovkin on PBC. Not a bad gamble.

He had a piece of both fighters there. Not remotely the same scenario. He has the b side of this equation. Al makes money on fights when his fighters are in them. 75% of this bid goes to ggg and he gets nothing. So best case for him is he wastes a bunch of time and ggg drops the belt. Worst case he pays ggg a bunch of money to beat one of his top guys. Poor business.

Degale joined Haymon after the Dirrell fight I'm sure of it.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote: I was being facetious in that post. My posts within this thread said Haymon could put a ridiculous bid in knowing that Loeffler can't compete with the bid and thus Golovkin would have to vacate because he can't fight off of HBO.

It would be a calculated gamble knowing that Jacobs would get the belt and he wouldnt have to pay out for the bout either. He wins all around.

He wins all around when his fighter, and himself, get no fight and no money? That's an odd 'victory'

He wins all around because he doesnt have to pay out and Jacobs gets the full title for doing nothing.

This is where you miss the boat. When he pays out it's other peoples money and he makes his cut off of his fighter. That's why he overpaid for your other example, it made him MORE money. This move would make him nothing.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote: Did you see the bid that Haymon put in for Dirrell-Degale? $3.1 million. What was the logic behind that bid? Dirrell can't sell for poo.

He outbid Hearn by over a million dollars. If he wins this bid he either gets Jacobs the full title or he gets Golovkin on PBC. Not a bad gamble.

He had a piece of both fighters there. Not remotely the same scenario. He has the b side of this equation. Al makes money on fights when his fighters are in them. 75% of this bid goes to ggg and he gets nothing. So best case for him is he wastes a bunch of time and ggg drops the belt. Worst case he pays ggg a bunch of money to beat one of his top guys. Poor business.

Degale joined Haymon after the Dirrell fight I'm sure of it.

Ok, let's say you're right. That doesn't change anything. It brought another fighter to his team. That's win/win. Your musing on the current scenario is more lose/lose.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He wins all around when his fighter, and himself, get no fight and no money? That's an odd 'victory'

He wins all around because he doesnt have to pay out and Jacobs gets the full title for doing nothing.

This is where you miss the boat. When he pays out it's other peoples money and he makes his cut off of his fighter. That's why he overpaid for your other example, it made him MORE money. This move would make him nothing.

Yeah but he didn't have Degale at that stage so surely that could have backfired if Degale didn't sign with him 6 weeks later?

I can help you with this business side you struggle so hard to understand. You just have to listen. Lol

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He had a piece of both fighters there. Not remotely the same scenario. He has the b side of this equation. Al makes money on fights when his fighters are in them. 75% of this bid goes to ggg and he gets nothing. So best case for him is he wastes a bunch of time and ggg drops the belt. Worst case he pays ggg a bunch of money to beat one of his top guys. Poor business.

Degale joined Haymon after the Dirrell fight I'm sure of it.

Ok, let's say you're right. That doesn't change anything. It brought another fighter to his team. That's win/win. Your musing on the current scenario is more lose/lose.

There's no guarantee he would have gotten Degale signature when he made the bid though.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote: He wins all around because he doesnt have to pay out and Jacobs gets the full title for doing nothing.

This is where you miss the boat. When he pays out it's other peoples money and he makes his cut off of his fighter. That's why he overpaid for your other example, it made him MORE money. This move would make him nothing.

Yeah but he didn't have Degale at that stage so surely that could have backfired if Degale didn't sign with him 6 weeks later?

Obviously that deal would have been in place prefight.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

lefty wrote: Degale joined Haymon after the Dirrell fight I'm sure of it.

Ok, let's say you're right. That doesn't change anything. It brought another fighter to his team. That's win/win. Your musing on the current scenario is more lose/lose.

There's no guarantee he would have gotten Degale signature when he made the bid though.

Lol