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Rob3_142 wrote:

thechump wrote:

Rob3_142 wrote:
Easy cupcake! I said suspect, not glass. The jury is still out, he's only been hit once in 18 fights which doesn't tell us a great deal, but we know that he was wobbled by that one punch, and has been levelled in the amateurs. At the end of the day, his chin might be irrelevant if he can protect it, which so far he has done a good job of, but he will come up against better opposition and real punchers.

Who levelled him in the amateurs? And he has been hit more than once in the pro ranks,i suggest u watch whyte hit him again and see how AJ reacts,if he was wobbled he wouldnt be smiling would he? The way you said it was he has a suspect chin,were is the suspition on his chin? In 18 fights he has looked in control of every one of them,he got hit and controlled the fight. People think cause boxers get stoppes or rocked they have a suspect chin i.e lennox lewis naseem hamed,now in ur case anthony joshua,lets see how you react if a 17st professional boxer hits you on the chin,you would be asleep for a month son shine,does this mean you have a suspect chin cupcake?

Jesus man, what is wrong with you? Why are you so damned angry all the time? It's like you're bashing your knuckles against the keyboard in a drunken rage all the time.

Suspect: (verb), Have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof.

I did not say that Joshua has a brittle chin, I said it is merely suspect. Purely speculation, open to debate, so roll up your tongue and put it back in your mouth. He was knocked down by Whyte in the amateurs. There is even rumour he was knocked out cold by Price in sparring, but considering that was rumour, I decided not to include it in the argument. Anthony Joshua has been in 18 pro-fights, of course he's going to have been caught a few times, but I'm talking about being caught flush, which has happened once. If he'd been levelled by a jab, then I'd advise him to find a different sport. But fortunately he seems to be okay to the jab.

My point is, he has been caught flush once, and this means we still know very little about his ability to absorb some serious punishment. Eventually he is going to find himself in the ring with someone that is going to connect back. Then we'll know.

Ps. Christ knows why the hell you're bring my chin into it.

Rexob wrote:

thechump wrote:

Rexob wrote:
Shake of head, clueless. Ali was still the man even unlicensed until proven otherwise with the Frazier fight. Same situation.

Pot kettle black regarding the "clueless"remark,ali ruled the division for 2 whole years before being banned and then earned his way back up the ranks when he got his license back,he didnt just beat sonny liston the stick a ton of coke up his nose then say i need a year out,he RULED the god damn division so its not the fckin same is it,get off fury's kn0b and lets talk boxing if not watch thw fckin door doesnt hit u on the way out fury nut hugger

I cant argue with fools but its obvious to me and 90% of boxing fans that Fury is still the best heavyweight out there. Cornflakes.

Ian1973 wrote:With Fury "inactive" Wladimir is still number one until someone else proves otherwise.

Taansend wrote:

Ian1973 wrote:With Fury "inactive" Wladimir is still number one until someone else proves otherwise.

Hello Ian. He's only won one fight in the last two years and that was against Jennings who then got properly battered by Ortiz - so there's an argument that someone else has proved otherwise.

thechump wrote:

the_doctor wrote:

thechump wrote:In your opinion who is the top active heavyweight out there now? On boxrec ortiz is no.1 but i wouldnt have him in my top 10

Just out of interest, what would be your top 10?

I suppose it's hard to define "active". I was going to say Povetkin but he hasn't fought in over a year. Wilder is (I think) still injured? I would class Povetkin and Klitschko as active as they have fights booked in and Wilder has fought in the last 12 months so I'd say he is fairly active too.

Ok bit of an exaggeration saying top 10,he wouldnt get in my top 5,AJ,WILDER,KLIT,POVETKIN,browne and pulev are all above him imo

Kalan wrote:

thechump wrote:

the_doctor wrote: Just out of interest, what would be your top 10?

I suppose it's hard to define "active". I was going to say Povetkin but he hasn't fought in over a year. Wilder is (I think) still injured? I would class Povetkin and Klitschko as active as they have fights booked in and Wilder has fought in the last 12 months so I'd say he is fairly active too.

Ok bit of an exaggeration saying top 10,he wouldnt get in my top 5,AJ,WILDER,KLIT,POVETKIN,browne and pulev are all above him imo

How can you have Browne and Pulev rated over Ortiz??? ... He would smash those guys out quickly... How can you have Wladimir ranked over Ortiz??? Wladimir is an old man with no reflexes who struggled with Jennings for 12... Ortiz was killing Jennings every minute he was in there.

Rexob wrote:

Kalan wrote:

thechump wrote: Ok bit of an exaggeration saying top 10,he wouldnt get in my top 5,AJ,WILDER,KLIT,POVETKIN,browne and pulev are all above him imo

How can you have Browne and Pulev rated over Ortiz??? ... He would smash those guys out quickly... How can you have Wladimir ranked over Ortiz??? Wladimir is an old man with no reflexes who struggled with Jennings for 12... Ortiz was killing Jennings every minute he was in there.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ortiz is older than the big Klit tbf. And he has looked shite in his last couple of fights there is no denying that.

gilgamesh wrote:The winner of Anthony Joshua vs Wlad

davie wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:The winner of Anthony Joshua vs Wlad

What if the winner of Joshua and Wlad couldn't beat Wilder or Parker?

I'm playing devils advocate here as I reckon they probably would but until it happens, you just never know.

davie wrote:To be fair, watching Povetkin the other night, my money is on him to knock fvck out of the lot of them!

gilgamesh wrote:

davie wrote:To be fair, watching Povetkin the other night, my money is on him to knock fvck out of the lot of them!

He couldn't pass a drug test to get a shot at becoming #1 so he's just about irrelevant at this point.

gilgamesh wrote:

davie wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:The winner of Anthony Joshua vs Wlad

What if the winner of Joshua and Wlad couldn't beat Wilder or Parker?

I'm playing devils advocate here as I reckon they probably would but until it happens, you just never know.

Wilder or Parker don't become #1 without beating the Wlad-Joshua winner. Based on Parker's performance against Ruiz I don't see him as any threat to the guys at the top anymore.

Wilder is a KO loss waiting to happen, that's why he refuses to defend his title against anybody in the Top 10.

davie wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:The winner of Anthony Joshua vs Wlad

What if the winner of Joshua and Wlad couldn't beat Wilder or Parker?

I'm playing devils advocate here as I reckon they probably would but until it happens, you just never know.

davie wrote:
So does beating Wlad make Joshua no1? I'm not so sure it should, we really don't know how faded Klitschko is.

Kalan wrote:

thechump wrote:

the_doctor wrote: Just out of interest, what would be your top 10?

I suppose it's hard to define "active". I was going to say Povetkin but he hasn't fought in over a year. Wilder is (I think) still injured? I would class Povetkin and Klitschko as active as they have fights booked in and Wilder has fought in the last 12 months so I'd say he is fairly active too.

Ok bit of an exaggeration saying top 10,he wouldnt get in my top 5,AJ,WILDER,KLIT,POVETKIN,browne and pulev are all above him imo

How can you have Browne and Pulev rated over Ortiz??? ... He would smash those guys out quickly... How can you have Wladimir ranked over Ortiz??? Wladimir is an old man with no reflexes who struggled with Jennings for 12... Ortiz was killing Jennings every minute he was in there.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

davie wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:The winner of Anthony Joshua vs Wlad

What if the winner of Joshua and Wlad couldn't beat Wilder or Parker?

I'm playing devils advocate here as I reckon they probably would but until it happens, you just never know.

Again, ranKings are based on resume not potentiAl.
Wlad will be the best win on anybodies resume so AJ will go to straight to number 2 in the world rankings imo...

gilgamesh wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

davie wrote:
What if the winner of Joshua and Wlad couldn't beat Wilder or Parker?

I'm playing devils advocate here as I reckon they probably would but until it happens, you just never know.

Again, ranKings are based on resume not potentiAl.
Wlad will be the best win on anybodies resume so AJ will go to straight to number 2 in the world rankings imo...

How would he not go to #1?

wesshaw1985 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Again, ranKings are based on resume not potentiAl.
Wlad will be the best win on anybodies resume so AJ will go to straight to number 2 in the world rankings imo...

How would he not go to #1?

Because Tyson Fury is number 1.
Wlad is currently number 2.
If AJ beats Wlad he jumps Wlad, to the number 2 slot, not Tyson...

gilgamesh wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
How would he not go to #1?

Because Tyson Fury is number 1.
Wlad is currently number 2.
If AJ beats Wlad he jumps Wlad, to the number 2 slot, not Tyson...

Fury ain't #1 if he doesn't want to fight.

Crease wrote:Joshua.

Wilder does lack fundamental boxing skills and overrelies on his big swinging shots.
Klitchsko hasn't fought in over a year, so we don't know what to make of him.
Parker is inexperienced and not great.

The only other people we could put in the conversation is David Haye (if he got back to his best) and Luis Ortiz.

wesshaw1985 wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote: Because Tyson Fury is number 1.
Wlad is currently number 2.
If AJ beats Wlad he jumps Wlad, to the number 2 slot, not Tyson...

Fury ain't #1 if he doesn't want to fight.

As it stands today, 12 months on from beating Wlad, Fury is number 1 in the division. There is simply no debating it.
If Fury is still "retired" come January 1st 2018 then I will happily reconsider my selection...