Is Tyson Fury dangerous for Anthony Joshua ?

[Badhusker]

How can someone be a danger to anyone if he is not even fighting? Right now Fury is irrelevant, retired. That is why I think this entire thread is stupid. When Fury gets back into action, then we can discuss this BS. If he DOES get back active, he will need to earn his shot. Until then he is just a loudmouth trying to keep his name relevant. All kinds of idiots are biting on his bullshit on this forum.

Opening this thread I meant about healthy/fit/in shape TF version, and I wrote this. So, I wouldn't tell you that you are stupid or an idiot. I suppose that you did not read the first post. If someone is capable to defeat the HW champion (who lost perhaps ten rounds in ten years) then he must not be considered irrelevant.
By the way, I don't like TF's behaviour, but I have to admit that he is the most skillful HW since Ali.
I do not intend to write about Joshua right now, but it is very difficult to me imagine boxing fan who would not like to see the fight Joshua vs Fury.
Maybe, something is wrong with me, but I can not imagine this kind of boxing fan.............

Tyson Fury is the most skillful HW since Ali??? That is some funny shitt! There are quite a few on this forum that know boxing better than me, but I am doubting you are one of them if you say that.

Perhaps I am too much of a realist when it comes to boxing. I dislike fantasy match-ups unless I can see a real chance it will happen. I could start so many threads about retired or semi-retired boxers fighting current champions but it would be as irrelevant as they are. I like a good discussion, but like to keep it real. Fury may have a chance to come back, but until he does, he isn't even relevant. We could go on and on about Khan's dream of fighting Floyd too, and how dangerous he would be. I would be an idiot if I did that.

I think current champions like Pacquiao and Wilder are both one fight away from becoming totally irrelevant too, and should be stripped of their belts if they don't step up in their next fight. Both have been avoiding the best in their division. I would much rather see Joshua fight Wilder, or Spence/Brook or Thurman fight Pacquiao. Those are exciting fights. Pac vs any top guy at 147 most likely won't happen though, and Wilder vs Joshua is probably 1 or 2 yrs away.

[Badhusker]

Tyson Fury must be kicking himself a bit for not cashing in on his surprise victory over an out of sorts Klitschko. Possibly the best display of elusiveness seen in the heavyweight ranks since the days of a young Ali.

The victory was no surprise to many... Fury is 6'9" X 250 with a massive reach and good skills.. Wladimir has no body attack and no inside game.. He's not a skilled attacker and ring cutter like Joshua.. He's always been taller or almost as tall as any opponent -- and he always had greater range than his opponents.. Range is different than reach - it's how efficiently you use your reach - with involves balance, footwork, timing, form, and accuracy.. Fury is the first guy who could out-jab Klitschko and land more punches per round since Manny Steward took over Wlad's coaching in 2003.

Fury was more elusive than Ali.. He didn't lay on the ropes and he slipped punches better.. Ali got tagged with blooping shots while he was pulling away.. His radar wasn't real good and he should have gotten out much earlier.. Holmes had a better defense but he got tagged with big rights and dropped like he was shot. You didn't have any Vitali Klitschko's or Oliver McCall's in those days who could absorb a big punch. Even Chuvalo got pounded silly by Frazier and Foreman and had to be pulled out early. Unfortunately Fury has tons of psychological problems and it's doubtful he'll have any more big wins or title shots.

Would you call this good defense..........or offense?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8VlkRxcIYA


Perhaps Fury's best demonstration at being more elusive than Ali...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb7pR_-7W3w

[Rob3_142]

Perhaps I am too much of a realist when it comes to boxing. I dislike fantasy match-ups unless I can see a real chance it will happen. I could start so many threads about retired or semi-retired boxers fighting current champions but it would be as irrelevant as they are. I like a good discussion, but like to keep it real. Fury may have a chance to come back, but until he does, he isn't even relevant. We could go on and on about Khan's dream of fighting Floyd too, and how dangerous he would be. I would be an idiot if I did that.

If you don't like the thread, why do you persist in commenting on the subject?

[Badhusker]

Perhaps I am too much of a realist when it comes to boxing. I dislike fantasy match-ups unless I can see a real chance it will happen. I could start so many threads about retired or semi-retired boxers fighting current champions but it would be as irrelevant as they are. I like a good discussion, but like to keep it real. Fury may have a chance to come back, but until he does, he isn't even relevant. We could go on and on about Khan's dream of fighting Floyd too, and how dangerous he would be. I would be an idiot if I did that.

If you don't like the thread, why do you persist in commenting on the subject?

A couple of posters seemed confused or irritated about what I said. I was just trying to explain. Kalan's post was so stupid I couldn't resist. As for your post, if you don't like what I have to say don't read it.

[Kalan]

Your posts are brain dead Badhusker... Ali got knocked down and hurt much worse by 185-pound Henry Cooper... who was not nearly as slick as Cunningham.

Cunningham was never knocked out by anyone else but Fury---who FLATTENED him... Cooper was knocked out many times and was 25-pounds lighter.

[Counter-puncher]

So getting knocked down by Steve Cunningham makes you a slick defensive fighter how exactly?

[gilgamesh]

Your posts are brain dead Badhusker... Ali got knocked down and hurt much worse by 185-pound Henry Cooper... who was not nearly as slick as Cunningham.

Cunningham was never knocked out by anyone else but Fury---who FLATTENED him... Cooper was knocked out many times and was 25-pounds lighter.

Cooper would be even money to knock out Tyson Fury.

[Kalan]

Cooper would be flattened in the 1st... Cunningham was 210 for Fury and rock hard... That's about the same weight as Sonny Liston weighed for Machen

[Kalan]

So getting knocked down by Steve Cunningham makes you a slick defensive fighter how exactly?

Don't purposely pretend you're clueless... Was Larry Homes a slick boxer??? Was he knocked down by the renowned Reynaldo Snipes???

This is Boxing... Anybody can get hit, slick or not... Who won that fight??? That's the important thing... Fury is undefeated and a former Lineal Heavy Champ

[gilgamesh]

So getting knocked down by Steve Cunningham makes you a slick defensive fighter how exactly?

Don't purposely pretend you're clueless... Was Larry Homes a slick boxer??? Was he knocked down by the renowned Reynaldo Snipes???

This is Boxing... Anybody can get hit, slick or not... Who won that fight??? That's the important thing... Fury is undefeated and a former Lineal Heavy Champ

Fury won the title in a staring contest, and is one of the biggest jokes in the history of Heavyweight Boxing.

[ValMar]

How can someone be a danger to anyone if he is not even fighting? Right now Fury is irrelevant, retired. That is why I think this entire thread is stupid. When Fury gets back into action, then we can discuss this BS. If he DOES get back active, he will need to earn his shot. Until then he is just a loudmouth trying to keep his name relevant. All kinds of idiots are biting on his bullshit on this forum.

Opening this thread I meant about healthy/fit/in shape TF version, and I wrote this. So, I wouldn't tell you that you are stupid or an idiot. I suppose that you did not read the first post. If someone is capable to defeat the HW champion (who lost perhaps ten rounds in ten years) then he must not be considered irrelevant.
By the way, I don't like TF's behaviour, but I have to admit that he is the most skillful HW since Ali.
I do not intend to write about Joshua right now, but it is very difficult to me imagine boxing fan who would not like to see the fight Joshua vs Fury.
Maybe, something is wrong with me, but I can not imagine this kind of boxing fan.............

Tyson Fury is the most skillful HW since Ali??? That is some funny shitt! There are quite a few on this forum that know boxing better than me, but I am doubting you are one of them if you say that.

Perhaps I am too much of a realist when it comes to boxing. I dislike fantasy match-ups unless I can see a real chance it will happen. I could start so many threads about retired or semi-retired boxers fighting current champions but it would be as irrelevant as they are. I like a good discussion, but like to keep it real. Fury may have a chance to come back, but until he does, he isn't even relevant. We could go on and on about Khan's dream of fighting Floyd too, and how dangerous he would be. I would be an idiot if I did that.

I think current champions like Pacquiao and Wilder are both one fight away from becoming totally irrelevant too, and should be stripped of their belts if they don't step up in their next fight. Both have been avoiding the best in their division. I would much rather see Joshua fight Wilder, or Spence/Brook or Thurman fight Pacquiao. Those are exciting fights. Pac vs any top guy at 147 most likely won't happen though, and Wilder vs Joshua is probably 1 or 2 yrs away.

I like to discuss, not to argue. I really think that Tyson Fury is the most skillful HW since Ali. TF has a rather weak chin (see Pajkić and Cunningham).
His punch power is a little bit more than average, and his behaviour is very strange, but he is the most elusive HW I have ever seen, and I was born 1965, and remember Ali and his generation. Please, tell which current HW is more skillful than TF ? Usyk's skillset is an excellent one, also, but he is still CW. It is off topic, but I can not wait to see Usyk at HW.

[gilgamesh]

I like to discuss, not to argue. I really think that Tyson Fury is the most skillful HW since Ali. TF has a rather weak chin (see Pajkić and Cunningham).
His punch power is a little bit more than average, and his behaviour is very strange, but he is the most elusive HW I have ever seen, and I was born 1965, and remember Ali and his generation. Please, tell which current HW is more skillful than TF ? Usyk's skillset is an excellent one, also, but he is still CW. It is off topic, but I can not wait to see Usyk at HW.

Most Skillful Heavyweight since Ali?

He's not even as skillful as Chris Byrd for f*cks sake. You guys must've snorted cocaine with Fury and rotted your brains or something to be this delusional about him.

I'm not trying to argue with ya, but damn man.

[Horse]

Cooper would be even money to knock out Tyson Fury.

[Evander]

If Tyson pulls himself together he could be very dangerous, but he has to get off the lash the gear the overeating and negative attitude he's acquired more recently.
Sometimes I think Tyson has just grown up and is starting to see the world through a cynical set of eyes rather than an optimistic pair.
It's easy to get like that but it's not really a true reflection of people as we know them in the cold light of day.
Tyson Fury can be a master entertainer, yes he can go over the line but as long as he doesn't make a regular thing of it people will migrate toward him because he does tell it the way it is which makes some people uncomfortable but also cuts straight through to the heart of the matter, not me I see through it all ... he's almost like a forum member who isn't proficient in grammer, sophisticated in his choice of words but has a way of getting people to see where he's coming from based off how passionately he describes the world as he see it.
Tyson is very lucky to be in the spot he is, many would give an arm or a leg to be in his position or have the opportunities he does so I think he needs to regroup and spend some time around his core family and friends who will always be there for him and stop a potential slippery slope to the darkside.
Tyson has a lot of people that like him regardless of whether he knows that or not, for me it's nothing to do with him being a traveler, it's based on him as a person and a boxer.
Tyson isn't an idiot he knows what he has to do to right the wrongs and an attitude adjustment is a start, we need less cynical Fury and more you were named after a battleship one liners Fury

If he were to fight Anthony Joshua it's likely sometime away if they are going for a credible bout ,unless of course Tyson has completely thrown the towel in on his career and opts for an out of shape I don't care fast buck and comes in out of shape and has a fight relatively soon.
It's possible that could happen, I hope it doesn't and Fury takes the necessary steps to get back to the guy we used to know, it's up to him.

[RScarf1]

Even if Fury is at his best, I don't think he can beat Joshua, but he could pose problems for him like Klitschko did. I think Wilder and Ortiz also would beat Fury. Parker may be able to beat Fury if Fury is not throwing enough. It is going to be tough for him to overcome the damage he did to his body. He's going to need the fortitude of Rocky Balboa and Evander Holyfield combined which he does not have. He may lose weight, but he will never be what he could have been in my opinion. I don't believe he will ever win a major world title again.

[gilgamesh]

Even if Fury is at his best, I don't think he can beat Joshua, but he could pose problems for him like Klitschko did. I think Wilder and Ortiz also would beat Fury. Parker may be able to beat Fury if Fury is not throwing enough. It is going to be tough for him to overcome the damage he did to his body. He's going to need the fortitude of Rocky Balboa and Evander Holyfield combined which he does not have. He may lose weight, but he will never be what he could have been in my opinion. I don't believe he will ever win a major world title again.

Considering what he could've been is a guy that won the title in a farce of a fight, and then lost it by KO in his first defense against a meaningful opponent I'd say there's still a very good chance he becomes what he could've been.

[Kalan]

I like to discuss, not to argue. I really think that Tyson Fury is the most skillful HW since Ali. TF has a rather weak chin (see Pajkić and Cunningham).
His punch power is a little bit more than average, and his behaviour is very strange, but he is the most elusive HW I have ever seen, and I was born 1965, and remember Ali and his generation. Please, tell which current HW is more skillful than TF ? Usyk's skillset is an excellent one, also, but he is still CW. It is off topic, but I can not wait to see Usyk at HW.

Most Skillful Heavyweight since Ali?

He's not even as skillful as Chris Byrd for f*cks sake. You guys must've snorted cocaine with Fury and rotted your brains or something to be this delusional about him.

I'm not trying to argue with ya, but damn man.

You're so stupid you can't gather decent points to argue with so you stoop to insults as you always do.. You're a HORRIBLE judge of boxing skills.. Wladimir Klitschko completely DOMINATED Chris Byrd even BEFORE he acquired top-notch skills under master coach Emmanuel Steward... Byrd was so wide open he got stopped early by Ike Ibeabuchi who had 19 fights.. It was Wladimir who wouldn't and couldn't punch Fury.. Every time Wlad threw (which wasn't often) he got punched in the face.. Wlad's face told the story of the one sided fight.. He couldn't land an effective punch on the giant after ruling the Heavyweight Division for 11 years.. Fury is under no obligation to attack Klitschko when he's winning easily -- and has the much longer height and reach.

[RScarf1]

Even if Fury is at his best, I don't think he can beat Joshua, but he could pose problems for him like Klitschko did. I think Wilder and Ortiz also would beat Fury. Parker may be able to beat Fury if Fury is not throwing enough. It is going to be tough for him to overcome the damage he did to his body. He's going to need the fortitude of Rocky Balboa and Evander Holyfield combined which he does not have. He may lose weight, but he will never be what he could have been in my opinion. I don't believe he will ever win a major world title again.

Considering what he could've been is a guy that won the title in a farce of a fight, and then lost it by KO in his first defense against a meaningful opponent I'd say there's still a very good chance he becomes what he could've been.

I agree that it was a farce. The version of Klitschko that fought Joshua would beat Fury. I don't see Fury reaching that level when he fought Klitschko which was not that great. Fury relied on mind games and that is not going to work against the younger heavyweight champions. Of course, Fury vs. Joshua will be a big money-making fight in Great Britain if it happens and that is the only reason why it may happen. I can see the sanctioning bodies wanting to be a part of that, but Fury has to be mentally and physically ready. When is his boxing license going to be reinstated? When will he be ready to fight a mediocre opponent? I can't believe Ring Magazine still recognizes Fury as its heavyweight champion. That is the ultimate farce.

[Kalan]

Cooper would be even money to knock out Tyson Fury.

Yeah I agree... You'd like to take all his money too right??? Cooper would have as much chance to KO Fury as a giraffe has of driving a Aston Martin.

[ValMar]

I like to discuss, not to argue. I really think that Tyson Fury is the most skillful HW since Ali. TF has a rather weak chin (see Pajkić and Cunningham).
His punch power is a little bit more than average, and his behaviour is very strange, but he is the most elusive HW I have ever seen, and I was born 1965, and remember Ali and his generation. Please, tell which current HW is more skillful than TF ? Usyk's skillset is an excellent one, also, but he is still CW. It is off topic, but I can not wait to see Usyk at HW.

Most Skillful Heavyweight since Ali?

He's not even as skillful as Chris Byrd for f*cks sake. You guys must've snorted cocaine with Fury and rotted your brains or something to be this delusional about him.

I'm not trying to argue with ya, but damn man.

Chris Byrd ? No way !

[candyslim]

Cooper would be even money to knock out Tyson Fury.

Yeah I agree... You'd like to take all his money too right??? Cooper would have as much chance to KO Fury as a giraffe has of driving a Aston Martin.

You're right, giraffes should stick to jaguar or BMW Seriously I do hate it when you rubbish 'Enery Cooper, although I'm very biased when it comes to him, I accept that. I think any man of 6' and 190lbs is going to be at an enormous disadvantage fighting, or maybe that should be attempting to fight, a 6' 9" Tyson at his most effective / elusive.

Henry was a good boxer with a sound chin, who suffered terribly from being so prone to cuts. He frequently conceded weight to opponents often beating them. When he floored the young Cassius Clay with his famed left hook ('Enery's 'Ammer) Clay didn't know what planet he was on, and if Angelo Dundee hadn't deliberately split open Clay's glove to buy time, Muhammad Ali would have a clean knockout loss on his record. Clay's punch resistance probably wasn't what it became in his Ali years, but that Cooper left hook was a formidable shot if it caught you flush, and I'm not sure Fury would have got up from a Cooper left hook right on the button, the way he did Cunningham's right hand. Cunningham was a slicker boxer but not necessarily a better one.

I'd favour Fury to keep away from Cooper and jab from distance winning a boring fight widely on points, but if Henry did manage to land his best shot it might have gotten very interesting indeed.

[candyslim]

I forgot to say Kalan, your first post on page 1 was an excellent summation, in my opinion.

[Rob3_142]

A couple of posters seemed confused or irritated about what I said. I was just trying to explain. Kalan's post was so stupid I couldn't resist. As for your post, if you don't like what I have to say don't read it.

How will I know I don't like the post if I don't read it?

[Kalan]

Yeah I agree... You'd like to take all his money too right??? Cooper would have as much chance to KO Fury as a giraffe has of driving a Aston Martin.

You're right, giraffes should stick to jaguar or BMW Seriously I do hate it when you rubbish 'Enery Cooper, although I'm very biased when it comes to him, I accept that. I think any man of 6' and 190lbs is going to be at an enormous disadvantage fighting, or maybe that should be attempting to fight, a 6' 9" Tyson at his most effective / elusive.

Henry was a good boxer with a sound chin, who suffered terribly from being so prone to cuts. He frequently conceded weight to opponents often beating them. When he floored the young Cassius Clay with his famed left hook ('Enery's 'Ammer) Clay didn't know what planet he was on, and if Angelo Dundee hadn't deliberately split open Clay's glove to buy time, Muhammad Ali would have a clean knockout loss on his record. Clay's punch resistance probably wasn't what it became in his Ali years, but that Cooper left hook was a formidable shot if it caught you flush, and I'm not sure Fury would have got up from a Cooper left hook right on the button, the way he did Cunningham's right hand. Cunningham was a slicker boxer but not necessarily a better one.

I'd favour Fury to keep away from Cooper and jab from distance winning a boring fight widely on points, but if Henry did manage to land his best shot it might have gotten very interesting indeed.

Clay was hurt by Cooper's left hook but got to his feet easily and was fully alert during the 1 minute rest between rounds... Dundee DIDN'T slit any glove and NO gloves were changed... It's a total BS story... If you watch the fight on youtube you'll find the rest period lasted 1 minute and Clay was fully alert and had no trouble finishing Cooper off in the next round.. The whole story is an urban myth perpetrated by Angie Dundee.

Cooper did NOT have a sound chin.. Henry was knocked down and out for the entire 10-count out several times... Including by Floyd Patterson.. Zora Folley.. Ingemar Johannson.. and Joe Bygraves.. Very FEW high ranking boxers get knocked out for the full count as often as Cooper.. His chin was as notoriously weak as the skin around his eyes was easily nicked open. I don't see anyone of his size and skills putting anything on a boxer as good and as massive as Tyson Fury.. Cooper would be gone quickly versus the skillful Fury who was 60 odd pounds heavier.. Steve Cunningham was only knocked out ONCE in his life---by Tyson Fury---and NOT in England, in America with an American referee.. Fury knew he was going to knock Cunningham out because he only weighed 210.. He asked Steve if he could buy advertising on the bottom of his shoes. Cooper weighed 185 and had no chin.. He would be knocked FLAT!!!

But as a person I did like Henry Cooper very much.. He seemed to be an absolute PRINCE of a person.. As gracious and kind as they come.

[Badhusker]

Yeah I agree... You'd like to take all his money too right??? Cooper would have as much chance to KO Fury as a giraffe has of driving a Aston Martin.

You're right, giraffes should stick to jaguar or BMW Seriously I do hate it when you rubbish 'Enery Cooper, although I'm very biased when it comes to him, I accept that. I think any man of 6' and 190lbs is going to be at an enormous disadvantage fighting, or maybe that should be attempting to fight, a 6' 9" Tyson at his most effective / elusive.

Henry was a good boxer with a sound chin, who suffered terribly from being so prone to cuts. He frequently conceded weight to opponents often beating them. When he floored the young Cassius Clay with his famed left hook ('Enery's 'Ammer) Clay didn't know what planet he was on, and if Angelo Dundee hadn't deliberately split open Clay's glove to buy time, Muhammad Ali would have a clean knockout loss on his record. Clay's punch resistance probably wasn't what it became in his Ali years, but that Cooper left hook was a formidable shot if it caught you flush, and I'm not sure Fury would have got up from a Cooper left hook right on the button, the way he did Cunningham's right hand. Cunningham was a slicker boxer but not necessarily a better one.

I'd favour Fury to keep away from Cooper and jab from distance winning a boring fight widely on points, but if Henry did manage to land his best shot it might have gotten very interesting indeed.

Clay was hurt by Cooper's left hook but got to his feet easily and was fully alert during the 1 minute rest between rounds... Dundee DIDN'T slit any glove and NO gloves were changed... It's a total BS story... If you watch the fight on youtube you'll find the rest period lasted 1 minute and Clay was fully alert and had no trouble finishing Cooper off in the next round.. The whole story is an urban myth perpetrated by Angie Dundee.

Cooper did NOT have a sound chin.. Henry was knocked down and out for the entire 10-count out several times... Including by Floyd Patterson.. Zora Folley.. Ingemar Johannson.. and Joe Bygraves.. Very FEW high ranking boxers get knocked out for the full count as often as Cooper.. His chin was as notoriously weak as the skin around his eyes was easily nicked open. I don't see anyone of his size and skills putting anything on a boxer as good and as massive as Tyson Fury.. Cooper would be gone quickly versus the skillful Fury who was 60 odd pounds heavier.. Steve Cunningham was only knocked out ONCE in his life---by Tyson Fury---and NOT in England, in America with an American referee.. Fury knew he was going to knock Cunningham out because he only weighed 210.. He asked Steve if he could buy advertising on the bottom of his shoes. Cooper weighed 185 and had no chin.. He would be knocked FLAT!!!

But as a person I did like Henry Cooper very much.. He seemed to be an absolute PRINCE of a person.. As gracious and kind as they come.

I doubt Fury would have KO'd Cunningham if he hadn't used a borderline illegal tactic, covering Cunningham's eyes with his forearm while having him pinned on the ropes then hitting him so Cunningham couldn't see it coming. During the fight Cunningham was finding Fury easily, but the size advantage was just too much for him. There wasn't a big difference in skill between the two. Imagine if Wilder or Joshua connected with a shot the same as Cunningham easily did? Fury wouldn't get up.

Ali/Clay and Fury are light years apart in every department.