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Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

filibert wrote:Holding is a skill that you use when you can not box as well as your opponent or when you are tired, it allows you to survive the round.
In Wards case, it allows him to win, good for him, but I just don't like watching that type of fighter (I'm not the only one).

Golota was fun to watch, and I think he was in a good position to win against Bowe before he "lost it" in his head...

It is true that Kovalev looked like he didn't know what to do. Good and powerfull inside fighters, like Beterbiev, will enjoy facing Ward.

The thing about that is you have train differently. You have to train to protect against butts and groin shots. It's not part of the basic fundamentals of boxing. So, this is where Ward holds a big advantage over his more orthodox opponents.

If you are not trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area, your regimen is lacking. SOGgy is a grinding pit dog. He is the best at what he does but he is by no means the only grinder in boxing.

I like grinders because they are generally overachievers.

So, in that case Floyd should never had been butted by Ortiz.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: The thing about that is you have train differently. You have to train to protect against butts and groin shots. It's not part of the basic fundamentals of boxing. So, this is where Ward holds a big advantage over his more orthodox opponents.

If you are not trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area, your regimen is lacking. SOGgy is a grinding pit dog. He is the best at what he does but he is by no means the only grinder in boxing.

I like grinders because they are generally overachievers.

So, in that case Floyd should never had been butted by Ortiz.

Completely inappropriate comparison.

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Tanzio wrote: If you are not trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area, your regimen is lacking. SOGgy is a grinding pit dog. He is the best at what he does but he is by no means the only grinder in boxing.

I like grinders because they are generally overachievers.

So, in that case Floyd should never had been butted by Ortiz.

Completely inappropriate comparison.

Why? You said if someone isn't trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area. Which I can understand, but when it's not expected and/or snuck in there, how are you supposed to do that exactly. Keep one hand down low? Obviously when I punch is coming low, a fighters trained instinct is to protect the body. Sure fighters should be aware of those illegal shots. But, when an opponent has it worked into their strategy to hit in illegal places, it's pretty dishonorable. Hell, fighters have issues protecting legal areas when a fighter trains for them legally.

I understand that the fans have driven you to Ward, but dang man. Why sacrifice morals for spite? Dude is bad for the sport, period.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: So, in that case Floyd should never had been butted by Ortiz.

Completely inappropriate comparison.

Why? You said if someone isn't trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area. Which I can understand, but when it's not expected and/or snuck in there, how are you supposed to do that exactly. Keep one hand down low? Obviously when I punch is coming low, a fighters trained instinct is to protect the body. Sure fighters should be aware of those illegal shots. But, when an opponent has it worked into their strategy to hit in illegal places, it's pretty dishonorable. Hell, fighters have issues protecting legal areas when a fighter trains for them legally.

I understand that the fans have driven you to Ward, but dang man. Why sacrifice morals for spite? Dude is bad for the sport, period.

I disagree. The Ortiz headbutt was completely different than what happens in grinder fights. Headbutts will happen. The vast majority are due to style and they are not necessarily intentional.

SOGgy fought a grinder's fight. He did not noticeably fight any dirtier than Krushedner. In fact, if you consider the Russian's bad acting, SOGgy fought a fairer fight.

Krushedner held as much or more. Krushedner rabbit punched far more. Krushedner hit low about as much as SOGgy with the exception of the final blow which I am not convinced was intentionally low.

SOGgy is a good, family man. He respects his opponents. He is well mannered. He is a good role model by boxing terms. He gives back to his community. He is a pretty good boxing analyst.

SOGgy has been denigrated as a coward and a cheat for years. He is demonstrably not a coward and his reputation as a cheat is unwarranted.

I don't think he's a coward by any means. But whether he's a good family man or not is not relevant in this conversation. He is a grinder. But what he does id=s not pretty. It's irritating to watch for most. His ratings are proof enough that he is not good for the sport. A P4P #1 guy that can't sell squat.I'll be surprised if the rematch even reaches the 160K buys the first one did.

Impractical Poster wrote:I don't think he's a coward by any means. But whether he's a good family man or not is not relevant in this conversation. He is a grinder. But what he does id=s not pretty. It's irritating to watch for most. His ratings are proof enough that he is not good for the sport. A P4P #1 guy that can't sell squat.I'll be surprised if the rematch even reaches the 160K buys the first one did.

Fair enough. We just disagree. I think that he is good for the sport. I think being a good role model is good for the sport. Part of that role modeling is being a hard working responsible family man who speaks intelligently, is courteous and law abiding.

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I don't think he's a coward by any means. But whether he's a good family man or not is not relevant in this conversation. He is a grinder. But what he does id=s not pretty. It's irritating to watch for most. His ratings are proof enough that he is not good for the sport. A P4P #1 guy that can't sell squat.I'll be surprised if the rematch even reaches the 160K buys the first one did.

Fair enough. We just disagree. I think that he is good for the sport. I think being a good role model is good for the sport. Part of that role modeling is being a hard working responsible family man who speaks intelligently, is courteous and law abiding.

I agree with you on being a good role model, for the most part. Floyd wasn't necessarily a good role model, and he sold more than any boxer in history. But on a moral level, I am definitely in agreement with you.

x2x wrote:

Tanzio wrote: You are as quote function challenged as you are butthurt.

I made the mistake of responding to a troll.

Add: I corrected the little moron's quote, and the corrected quote is actually even stupider than the original: "If you are not trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area, your regimen is lacking"

"Even stupider?" oh, it hoyts

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Completely inappropriate comparison.

Why? You said if someone isn't trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area. Which I can understand, but when it's not expected and/or snuck in there, how are you supposed to do that exactly. Keep one hand down low? Obviously when I punch is coming low, a fighters trained instinct is to protect the body. Sure fighters should be aware of those illegal shots. But, when an opponent has it worked into their strategy to hit in illegal places, it's pretty dishonorable. Hell, fighters have issues protecting legal areas when a fighter trains for them legally.

I understand that the fans have driven you to Ward, but dang man. Why sacrifice morals for spite? Dude is bad for the sport, period.

I disagree. The Ortiz headbutt was completely different than what happens in grinder fights. Headbutts will happen. The vast majority are due to style and they are not necessarily intentional.

SOGgy fought a grinder's fight. He did not noticeably fight any dirtier than Krushedner. In fact, if you consider the Russian's bad acting, SOGgy fought a fairer fight.

Krushedner held as much or more. Krushedner rabbit punched far more. Krushedner hit low about as much as SOGgy with the exception of the final blow which I am not convinced was intentionally low.

SOGgy is a good, family man. He respects his opponents. He is well mannered. He is a good role model by boxing terms. He gives back to his community. He is a pretty good boxing analyst.

SOGgy has been denigrated as a coward and a cheat for years. He is demonstrably not a coward and his reputation as a cheat is unwarranted.

Your hate clearly blinded you if you think that Kovalev's dirtiness was even close to Ward's.

Also, Ward's "goodness" is mostly fake. Yes, he is a good family man, but many of villains are.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote: Why? You said if someone isn't trained to avoid or mitigate butts and protect your groin area. Which I can understand, but when it's not expected and/or snuck in there, how are you supposed to do that exactly. Keep one hand down low? Obviously when I punch is coming low, a fighters trained instinct is to protect the body. Sure fighters should be aware of those illegal shots. But, when an opponent has it worked into their strategy to hit in illegal places, it's pretty dishonorable. Hell, fighters have issues protecting legal areas when a fighter trains for them legally.

I understand that the fans have driven you to Ward, but dang man. Why sacrifice morals for spite? Dude is bad for the sport, period.

I disagree. The Ortiz headbutt was completely different than what happens in grinder fights. Headbutts will happen. The vast majority are due to style and they are not necessarily intentional.

SOGgy fought a grinder's fight. He did not noticeably fight any dirtier than Krushedner. In fact, if you consider the Russian's bad acting, SOGgy fought a fairer fight.

Krushedner held as much or more. Krushedner rabbit punched far more. Krushedner hit low about as much as SOGgy with the exception of the final blow which I am not convinced was intentionally low.

SOGgy is a good, family man. He respects his opponents. He is well mannered. He is a good role model by boxing terms. He gives back to his community. He is a pretty good boxing analyst.

SOGgy has been denigrated as a coward and a cheat for years. He is demonstrably not a coward and his reputation as a cheat is unwarranted.

Your hate clearly blinded you if you think that Kovalev's dirtiness was even close to Ward's.

Also, Ward's "goodness" is mostly fake. Yes, he is a good family man, but many of villains are.

Krushedner rabbit punched all night. He landed low blows several times. He held at least as much as SOGgy did. Most importantly, he faked injury repeatedly, which is conscious cheating.

Ward was 10 times as dirty... Those were deliberate low blows that can debilitate you... There was no faking. Ward was given carte blanche to foul.

Kalan wrote:Ward was 10 times as dirty... Those were deliberate low blows that can debilitate you... There was no faking. Ward was given carte blanche to foul.

Krushedner did his best soap opera diva act. It worked. Weeks bailed him out of a career ending beatdown.

Repeatedly Krushedner stopped fighting when clearly hit on the beltline. His fans are the most pitiful squealers and crybabies in the history of boxing.

Let's do it once more so SOGgy can literally beat his ass clean out of boxing.

What a legion of pudenda.