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gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

crusader wrote:They may not, but why should that preclude him from a ranking? They haven't fought guys like Ortiz (also a positive tester), Parker, or each other...those fights are merely ideas at this point.

Well, sorry but Povetkin was claimed to be positive twice and both times it turned out to be wrong and meanwhile Stiverne hasn't been tested positive as far as I know, just busted live in the act drinking all kind of illegal substances. So remarkeble, of all the moments exactly when he get's tested the guy sees him drinking illegal stuff. And Wilder has never been tested positive either, somehow his car is full of drugs. On top of all that, the lab who "tested" Povetkin is currently suspended, very very remarkeble...

There's so much evidence that suggests Povetkin is innocent and there's so much evidence that suggests Wilder is taking all the drugs he wants.

To me it seems like a big show that doesn't make any sense. Whoever fits in the perfect story doesn't get busted, whoever doesn't fit in the perfect story get's busted. It reminds me about Lance Armstrong and all the stories around him.

Actually neither time it turned out to be wrong. You keep claiming that WADA or WBC cleared him of his failed tests, and that's a lie.

As usual gilgamesh, you don't know WTF you're talking about...

There were NO failed tests in the Wilder fight.. All of his tests passed according to both WADA and VADA.. The WBC and VADA claimed that because he had a trace of Meldonium that was less than 1/14th the allowable concentration an "investigation" had to happen.. Also VADA never mentioned that Povetkin passed the test they just kept saying he was "positive" for Meldonium which was a lie.. Because a positive test means you're over the allowable concentration.. Then they did his B Sample to smear him further also saying it was "positive" and never saying he passed it with less than 1/4th the allowable concentration.. They were out to get him.

Many months later after their long drawn out investigation they finally had to admit Povetkin passed all his tests for Wilder but they made him do a boxoff with Bermane Stiverne and do dozens of test he had to pay for... Stiverne failed drug tests but those were swept under the rug and he was allowed to fight... The day before the Stiverne test VADA claimed Povetkin had 1/10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in his system after he passed dozens of tests.. That level is so minute it can't be proven or disproven by other tests..

They claimed there was no minimum level for Ostarine, but that amount could not help you in any way,.. and did the same thing to Lucian Bute and Lucas Browne, both foreigners who say they never took any illegal products and don't understand the test results.

It's a wordjoke only retards fall for, I can claim Wilder tested positive for testosterone in all the tests he has ever had.
And that's true actually, nobody can prove me wrong.
Somehow that doesn't mean someone has failed a test.


Back in the days Wada didn't have a clue what they were doing and needed to do more testing, somehow the value was so low, that it was obvious beforehand that Povetkin would never fail any test. Then the American media and a sickening amount of retards, and America proved they got a lot of them, claimed Povetkin did something wrong and that that was the reason Wilder avoided the fight. In reality, Wilder was just ducking him, never went to Russia at all and was celebrating holiday for ages already, he even fought Arreola while not beïng 100% in shape. Wilder also claimed he gained fat, just attract more girls and bullshit like that.
Nowadays Povetkin schooled Wada enough and Wada changed their own rules, in their improved rules they wouldn't even mention the meldonium any more since the value was too low. Povetkin could even had 1,5 times as much before they mention it, and 3 times as much before they check the B-sample. And please note that Povetkin had those traces in march or april, when there could still be traces left from the moment it was allowed. At that time, Povetkin was allowed to have over 14 times as much Meldonium in his body. Imagine Wilder having a testosterone level 14 times as low, he probably wouldn't even be able to get his dick up.


It was absolutely amazing and stunning to see how many Americans are dumb, but let's be honest, Povetkin doesn't do PEDs.

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
If they changed their policy since he failed the test that still doesn't mean he didn't fail the test under the policy they had at THAT time.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... ice-en.pdf
Nope...

The last paragraph of the link provided shows question as to if you are wrong.

The last paragraph wrote:3) Cases where the concentration is below 1 µg/ml and the test was taken before 1 March
2016 are compatible with an intake prior to January 2016. If the anti-doping
organization finds that the athlete could not reasonably have known or suspected that
the substance would still be present in his/her body on or after 1 January 2016, then a
finding of no fault or negligence may be made.
2016-04-11

Povetkin had 0.07 µg/ml left in his body, which basically proves he was innocent? Despite he and his doctors couldn't have expected Meldonium to become banned.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... ice-en.pdf
Nope...

The last paragraph of the link provided shows question as to if you are wrong.

The last paragraph wrote:3) Cases where the concentration is below 1 µg/ml and the test was taken before 1 March
2016 are compatible with an intake prior to January 2016. If the anti-doping
organization finds that the athlete could not reasonably have known or suspected that
the substance would still be present in his/her body on or after 1 January 2016, then a
finding of no fault or negligence may be made.
2016-04-11

Povetkin had 0.07 µg/ml left in his body, which basically proves he was innocent? Despite he and his doctors couldn't have expected Meldonium to become banned.

But his failed test was after after the March 1st date stated here

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
The last paragraph of the link provided shows question as to if you are wrong.

The last paragraph wrote:3) Cases where the concentration is below 1 µg/ml and the test was taken before 1 March
2016 are compatible with an intake prior to January 2016. If the anti-doping
organization finds that the athlete could not reasonably have known or suspected that
the substance would still be present in his/her body on or after 1 January 2016, then a
finding of no fault or negligence may be made.
2016-04-11

Povetkin had 0.07 µg/ml left in his body, which basically proves he was innocent? Despite he and his doctors couldn't have expected Meldonium to become banned.

But his failed test was after after the March 1st date stated here

"b. If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion."

In other words, they didn't have a clue what they were doing and Povetkin eventually schooled them.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:


Povetkin had 0.07 µg/ml left in his body, which basically proves he was innocent? Despite he and his doctors couldn't have expected Meldonium to become banned.

But his failed test was after after the March 1st date stated here

"b. If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion."

In other words, they didn't have a clue what they were doing and Povetkin eventually schooled them.

Really not trying to be a dick. But if it was tested after the March 1st deadline. And was still showing even under the 1ug/ml it clearly states the suspension stands.

Which is why he lost the civil suit.

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
But his failed test was after after the March 1st date stated here

"b. If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion."

In other words, they didn't have a clue what they were doing and Povetkin eventually schooled them.

Really not trying to be a dick. But if it was tested after the March 1st deadline. And was still showing even under the 1ug/ml it clearly states the suspension stands.

Which is why he lost the civil suit.

"b. If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion."
What part do you not understand? And nowadays, Wada realises that under 100 nanogram could always happen and won't be mentioned any more. Just from 0,2µg/mL or above needs more study.
So in other words, with the knowledge they now finally got, they would simply let the fight happen like Povetkin never took anything at all. On top of that, if Povetkin was planning to cheat with Meldonium, he would have simply accepted the fight earlier and took all the Meldonium he wants.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: "b. If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion."

In other words, they didn't have a clue what they were doing and Povetkin eventually schooled them.

Really not trying to be a dick. But if it was tested after the March 1st deadline. And was still showing even under the 1ug/ml it clearly states the suspension stands.

Which is why he lost the civil suit.

"b. If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion."
What part do you not understand? And nowadays, Wada realises that under 100 nanogram could always happen and won't be mentioned any more. Just from 0,2µg/mL or above needs more study.
So in other words, with the knowledge they now finally got, they would simply let the fight happen like Povetkin never took anything at all. On top of that, if Povetkin was planning to cheat with Meldonium, he would have simply accepted the fight earlier and took all the Meldonium he wants.

The big red flag was when he passed two or three tests before the failed one when he was first busted. You talk so much about him being innocent for the first time he was busted for PEDS, but rarely if ever speak or defend of the most recent failed tests.

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:
Really not trying to be a dick. But if it was tested after the March 1st deadline. And was still showing even under the 1ug/ml it clearly states the suspension stands.

Which is why he lost the civil suit.

"b. If the concentration is below 1 µg/mL and the test was taken after 1 March given
that the results of ongoing excretion studies are needed to determine the time of
the ingestion."
What part do you not understand? And nowadays, Wada realises that under 100 nanogram could always happen and won't be mentioned any more. Just from 0,2µg/mL or above needs more study.
So in other words, with the knowledge they now finally got, they would simply let the fight happen like Povetkin never took anything at all. On top of that, if Povetkin was planning to cheat with Meldonium, he would have simply accepted the fight earlier and took all the Meldonium he wants.

The big red flag was when he passed two or three tests before the failed one when he was first busted. You talk so much about him being innocent for the first time he was busted for PEDS, but rarely if ever speak or defend of the most recent failed tests.

Well, as you can see, we have to wait for another year or two for that, somehow it has already been proven that the test Wada uses for this specific drugs is everything but flawless. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply tested him a milion times to eventually get a false positive with their bad test, knowing that the test wasn't flawless.
Also note that the lab who tested this is currently suspended by Wada because of all their mistakes and an independant lab couldn't find anything.
On top of that, even the Americans claim there was only found 0,00000000001g of Ostarine! And, the same tests from Nov.15 & Dec.13 are clean.
At this moment, even if the lab thinks someone is guilty, the same sample has to be tested by a different Wada lab (like which actually happened with Povetkin) to check if it's actually correct, remarkebly, the Swiss Wada lab said the Americans were wrong.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: If no talking body, like Daffy Duck, or Deontay Wilder, dares to fight him, then what can he do about it? You can't blame Briggs for that.

They don't fight him because he's not worth their time. He's not ranked. He's not popular. He's not anything. Nothing qualifies him for a shot at any of those guys.

Shannon Briggs is like Heavyweight Boxing's running joke at this point, you're apparently not in on it because you actually take it serious. He quit being anything serious at Heavyweight a long time ago.

To put it into perspective...Jameel McCline...you remember him? Kinda decent Heavyweight, nothing special really, but he was alright. Fought for the title a few times, never won it.

Well he was using Shannon Briggs as a stepping stone to bigger things...15 YEARS AGO!

Let that sink in

No, Marc Dummery and the wurm where absolutely the fights everybody was waiting for and Briggs, who was ranked a lot higher wasn't? Briggs proved in the ring that he was a good boxer, the whole world knows that Daffy Duck promised him a fight, but chickened out and fought a bum anyway and still lost!

And that bum...Tony Bellew, would kick Briggs' ass.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
They don't fight him because he's not worth their time. He's not ranked. He's not popular. He's not anything. Nothing qualifies him for a shot at any of those guys.

Shannon Briggs is like Heavyweight Boxing's running joke at this point, you're apparently not in on it because you actually take it serious. He quit being anything serious at Heavyweight a long time ago.

To put it into perspective...Jameel McCline...you remember him? Kinda decent Heavyweight, nothing special really, but he was alright. Fought for the title a few times, never won it.

Well he was using Shannon Briggs as a stepping stone to bigger things...15 YEARS AGO!

Let that sink in

No, Marc Dummery and the wurm where absolutely the fights everybody was waiting for and Briggs, who was ranked a lot higher wasn't? Briggs proved in the ring that he was a good boxer, the whole world knows that Daffy Duck promised him a fight, but chickened out and fought a bum anyway and still lost!

And that bum...Tony Bellew, would kick Briggs' ass.

Well, he kicked Daffy Duck's ass and Briggs predicted it and was happy with it, Bellew and Briggs wouldn't ever fight, they see each other as friends.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: No, Marc Dummery and the wurm where absolutely the fights everybody was waiting for and Briggs, who was ranked a lot higher wasn't? Briggs proved in the ring that he was a good boxer, the whole world knows that Daffy Duck promised him a fight, but chickened out and fought a bum anyway and still lost!

And that bum...Tony Bellew, would kick Briggs' ass.

Well, he kicked Daffy Duck's ass and Briggs predicted it and was happy with it, Bellew and Briggs wouldn't ever fight, they see each other as friends.

Briggs ain't never gonna fight nobody in the Top 40 ever again because there ain't nobody in the Top 40 he can beat.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
And that bum...Tony Bellew, would kick Briggs' ass.

Well, he kicked Daffy Duck's ass and Briggs predicted it and was happy with it, Bellew and Briggs wouldn't ever fight, they see each other as friends.

Briggs ain't never gonna fight nobody in the Top 40 ever again because there ain't nobody in the Top 40 he can beat.

Briggs is currently rank 28 himself...

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Well, he kicked Daffy Duck's ass and Briggs predicted it and was happy with it, Bellew and Briggs wouldn't ever fight, they see each other as friends.

Briggs ain't never gonna fight nobody in the Top 40 ever again because there ain't nobody in the Top 40 he can beat.

Briggs is currently rank 28 himself...

Based on beating guys below the Top 40...funny how that works. He can't beat anybody in the Top 40. I guarantee it.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Briggs ain't never gonna fight nobody in the Top 40 ever again because there ain't nobody in the Top 40 he can beat.

Briggs is currently rank 28 himself...

Based on beating guys below the Top 40...funny how that works. He can't beat anybody in the Top 40. I guarantee it.

Arnold Gjergjaj, Charles Martin (rank 9!), Thomas Adamek, Molina, Wawrzyk, Arreola, I'd certainly give him some chance actually.

asdfjkl wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Briggs is currently rank 28 himself...

Based on beating guys below the Top 40...funny how that works. He can't beat anybody in the Top 40. I guarantee it.

Arnold Gjergjaj, Charles Martin (rank 9!), Thomas Adamek, Molina, Wawrzyk, Arreola, I'd certainly give him some chance actually.

He's never gonna fight any of those guys, and if he does he's gonna lose.

Bellew did not beat anyone. He fought a man with one leg. Those are no excuses but let's be honest - Haye looked past his best anyway before his leg got fucked up.

Haye gave prime Wladimir his hardest fight - acording to Wlad.

Look how Povetkin looked poor against Wladimir? Sparked out by a jab in 2nd round and barely landed a puch.

Haye also knocked you prime Chisora and look how that bum who rocked Joshua (Whyte) stuggled and lost against past prime Chisora mao

asdfjkl wrote:1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 4-29-2017)
2. Wladimir Klitschko (last fought: 4-29-2017)
3. Luis Ortiz (last fought: 12-10-2016)
4. Alexander Povetkin (last fought: 7-1-2017)
5. Hughie Fury
6. Joseph Parker (last fought: 5-6-2017)
7. Jun Long Zhang
8. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 2-25-2017)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 12-10-2016)
10. Kubrat Pulev (last fought: 4-28-2017)
11. Carlos Takam (last fought: 6-17-2017)
12. Dillian Whyte
13. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
14. Johann Duhaupas (last fought: 4-22-2017)
15. Daniel Dubois
16. Tyrone Spong
17. Tony Yoka
18. Jarrell Miller (last fought: 8-19-2016)
19. Izuagbe Ugonoh
20. Amir Mansour

There are a few guys out there I struggle to rate;
Senad Gashi
Mladen Miljas
Simon Kean


And there are a few guys where I haven't checked from when they had their last fight.

That's the best list in my view. Maybe swap Wilder with Huey, and I'll buy you a beer