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If refferys can be corrupt. Weeks letting ward punching 10 low blows without any single point taken away. Bayless not letting maidana box from inside against floyd.

If judges can be corrupt. Pac vs timmy. Floyd being close or even on one card against canelo when i felt floyd won 12 rounds to canelo 0.

When refs and judges can be corrupt, than sure as hell complet organizations can be corrupt. How can lance be tested for 7 y or more and never anything happened. Fake sh;_t

Similar things happened with Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Moises Flores , Guillermo won, by a first round KO (ofcourse he won lol, he's in the same education Tyrone Spong has had, they are the best of the world).

But then in Nevada they decided it to be a no contest.

That same Nevada who also said Povetkin used doping, twice, and were proven wrong. Twice! Now their lab is suspended and suddenly Wilder doesn't fight any more.

Cheating Ward, corrupt refs, it's all one massive sad show.

The only way McGegor or whatever his name is can win is if the Americans decide their scams are too obvious nowadays and simply let junior lose and move over to MMA.

Who wins NY

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Tanzio wrote:It amazes me that anyone is interested in this sh!t.

Floyd vs anyone - not interesting

Mcgregor - interesting

It's all about McGregor these press conferences for me. Fight world should appreciate this guy, he is true box office

I'm extremely interested in the preseeres, not at all interested in the fight. These are the first press conferences televised on TV during my lifetime.

That's about right. Floyds not exactly Wlad either, he is entertaining, but he's not my cup of tea. Conor is one of the best showman I can remember

No athlete ever has anything on conors showman quality. Not even ali..

Ny crowd sucked. Conor was close to punching floyd.

Enlightened-One wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Multiple investigations were carried out and Floyd was subsequently proved innocent of any wrongdoing by WADA, VADA & the NSAC.

You should write a letter to WADA, VADA & the NSAC... and ask them to explain the situation.

In the meantime, assume that Money May is innocent of any wrongdoing, since that is what has happened in the real-world.

So was Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones. Neither of them were physically proven by the commissions to be juicing as neither failed tests but they were both found guilty.

So you’re a believer in the “there’s no smoke without fire” justice system?

So you would prefer to believe someone’s guilt despite there being a complete absence of evidence?

So you would wouldn’t be bothered if you were personally found guilty of a crime that resulted in imprisonment using the “there’s no smoke without fire” justice system?

EO, do you think it's fair for a boxer to be able to flush his system prior to a fight and rehydrate via IV? To recoup through an IV is one thing but when it's a common move by PED abusers to hide illegal substances ingested that is where i call smoke. That's more than smoke when you consider Floyd will not let any of his opponents benefit from an IV flush. When you have one boxer over there commanding tests and rules for a fight in which he doesn't have to abide by is an affront to fair gamesmanship in my opinion. Floyd may very well be clean but be a little intelligent and look at the facts we have to work with. Plenty of people get life in prison for 100% circumstantial evidence. If factual proof visually or admittedly were a requirement, no murders would get solved and if a tree fell in the forest, who would hear it.

the Facts:

-Floyd is the best 40 year old fighter in the history of boxing in an era where athletes on average are bigger, faster and stronger than ever.
-He did take a flushing IV at a very questionable point of the biggest fight of his life.
-His head size is almost double when he was younger and lighter.
-He's more ripped up with muscle than any point in his career
-Questionable personal relationship with USADA (money goes a long way with an agent)
-Turned down $5m fine for failed drug test for the Manny fight. Why?
-Why wasn't Manny's Team notified until 19 days after fight of infusion.
-Why USADA has been in hot water ever since "vouching" for Floyd on the IV. (Sketchy $)
-IV's are ILLEGAL...doesn't matter if there's ketchup in there. IT'S ILLEGAL!

That last fact is the bottom line. Let's say Floyd is completely clean and while we're at it, Charlotte Mckinney is making me breakfast right now in her undies, what is your excuse for Floyd taking an IV to replenish his system if it's been illegal since forever to do so? If you don't agree that there's some serious smoke with Floyd's career being dirty then we are done here. It's not worth giving glasses to a blind person.

asdfjkl wrote:The only way the other guy can win is if the Americans want to destroy the sport completely and all move over to mma.
The Americans are losing in all fronts but cheating and everybody sees it. Cheating refs, doping fakes, Nevada lab suspended, the list goes on. I can fully understand the Americans realise they are no way close near the best in this sport any more and in fact suck so hard that they want to say goodbye to it completely.

In any other way, they simply let junior win.

As an American, I'm offended and in full agreement with you on all claims above unfortunately. If boxing was only done in England then the sport would be fantastic. Yes, they have some questionable stoppages in fights by some refs but there never seems to be the debacle decisions like we have here in Vegas. Think about it...the biggest fights in the USA are held in Vegas...it's the capital city of the mafia and sketchiness. I would say that pretty much every fight in Vegas is crooked in some way to hedge betters somewhere...whether it's the ref, a judge or two, etc. For years, major and minor advantages have been given to fighters to give betters a higher probability of winning. It's how it's done here and it's killed the sport here imo.

caldo2025 wrote:EO, do you think it's fair for a boxer to be able to flush his system prior to a fight and rehydrate via IV?

The concept of “fairness” in the context of Money May’s actions immediately prior to the Manny Pacquiao bout is irrelevant.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. didn’t break any rules and his intravenous vitamin injection was sanctioned by VADA, WADA and the NSAC.

caldo2025 wrote: When you have one boxer over there commanding tests and rules for a fight in which he doesn't have to abide by is an affront to fair gamesmanship in my opinion.

I refuse to believe that you are capable of proving that in regards to the PED testing protocols for the Pacquiao-Mayweather bout, Money May was allowed to abide by different rules.

You cannot possibly substantiate this accusation.

caldo2025 wrote: Floyd may very well be clean but be a little intelligent and look at the facts we have to work with.

It’s not appropriate for you to use the word “facts” in the context that you wholeheartedly believe in the “there’s no smoke without fire” justice system, since you refuse to recognise the outcome of the multiple independent investigations that were performed in regards to this matter, where the final judgements were formulated using the actual facts that were gathered.

caldo2025 wrote: Plenty of people get life in prison for 100% circumstantial evidence.

This is a lazy opinion or misconception that you cannot substantiate. It’s moronic to claim that the occurrences of extremely rare exceptions actually undermine the general rules.

caldo2025 wrote: If factual proof visually or admittedly were a requirement, no murders would get solved and if a tree fell in the forest, who would hear it.

Did you bother to read and comprehend the thoughts you were trying to convey prior to posting this bizarre claim?

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-Floyd is the best 40 year old fighter in the history of boxing in an era where athletes on average are bigger, faster and stronger than ever.

We’ve never seen Floyd compete as a forty year old, so this is another bogus claim that you cannot possibly substantiate.

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-He did take a flushing IV at a very questionable point of the biggest fight of his life.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. didn’t break any rules and his intravenous vitamin injection was sanctioned by VADA, WADA and the NSAC.

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-His head size is almost double when he was younger and lighter.

No it’s not. This is another bogus claim that you cannot possibly substantiate.

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-He's more ripped up with muscle than any point in his career

No he's not. This is another bogus claim that you cannot possibly substantiate.

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-Questionable personal relationship with USADA (money goes a long way with an agent)

Please quantify your justification for this claim, otherwise retract it.

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-Turned down $5m fine for failed drug test for the Manny fight. Why?

Money May’s penalty for the failed drug test was much more severe, because his team instead insisted that they would want the US Anti-Doping Agency to follow the WADA code of a four-year ban for any athlete who tests positive for PEDs.

Leonard Ellerbe did not want to limit the liability imposed on Manny Pacquiao if he potentially failed a drug test. They also wanted to ensure that the Filipino was banned. Mayweather would have received the very same treatment had he failed a PED test.

A $5m fine in the context of the size of the paydays Mayweather & Pacquiao would have received for their bout would have been trivial in nature. The fact that Manny’s team wanted to put a price tag on him potentially failing a drug test was extremely suspicious to me.

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-Why wasn't Manny's Team notified until 19 days after fight of infusion.

That’s an administration issue that USADA is responsible for. It does not indicate guilt on Floyd's part.

caldo2025 wrote: the Facts:

-Why USADA has been in hot water ever since "vouching" for Floyd on the IV. (Sketchy $)

Please justify this claim and I can then comment on it. If you can’t, then this is yet another bogus claim that you’re unable to substantiate.

caldo2025 wrote: -IV's are ILLEGAL...doesn't matter if there's ketchup in there. IT'S ILLEGAL!

Intravenous vitamin injections aren’t illegal if a therapeutic use exception is obtained. Floyd took the injection in front of a USADA Official, who sanctioned the injection.

This is yet another bogus claim that you’re unable to substantiate.

caldo2025 wrote: That last fact is the bottom line.

Your list cannot be deemed as facts.

caldo2025 wrote: Let's say Floyd is completely clean and while we're at it…

There is no evidence to suggest that he isn’t, since you cannot possibly provide any compelling evidence that proves otherwise.

Multiple independent investigations were performed in regards to this matter and Floyd was deemed innocent of committing any wrongdoing.

caldo2025 wrote:… what is your excuse for Floyd taking an IV to replenish his system if it's been illegal since forever to do so?

Intravenous vitamin injections aren’t illegal if a therapeutic use exception is obtained. Floyd took the injection in front of a USADA official, who sanctioned the injection.

This is yet another bogus claim that you’re unable to substantiate.

caldo2025 wrote: If you don't agree that there's some serious smoke with Floyd's career being dirty then we are done here. It's not worth giving glasses to a blind person.

I exist in an evidence-based version of reality, whereby people should not be alleged of committing any wrongdoing unless there is irrefutable and compelling proof that substantiates allegations of a person being guilty of committing some sort of offense.

I wholeheartedly feel that those that believe in the “there’s no smoke without fire” justice system as their sole means to determine guilt, where there’s a complete absence of evidence to justify their unfair accusations… or worse still, where they actually choose to ignore the easily accessible facts of reality… are utter fúckíng cúnts!

Enlightened-One wrote:
I wholeheartedly feel that those choose to ignore the easily accessible facts of reality… are utter fúckíng cúnts!

So to sum it up. The enlightened-one is a fúckíng cúnt in thread after thread.

Emil wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:
I wholeheartedly feel that those choose to ignore the easily accessible facts of reality… are utter fúckíng cúnts!

So to sum it up. The enlightened-one is a fúckíng cúnt in thread after thread.

I am happy for people to dislike me if their reason for doing so is because they’re deeply offended by the objective truths of reality.

No one can undermine any of the claims I’ve made in this thread.

That’s not me being cocky, but if people prefer to believe in idle gossip, rather than the events that actually occurred in the real-world, then it doesn’t require genius level intellect to dismantle their fiction-based arguments with consummate ease!

Enlightened-One wrote:

Emil wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:
I wholeheartedly feel that those choose to ignore the easily accessible facts of reality… are utter fúckíng cúnts!

So to sum it up. The enlightened-one is a fúckíng cúnt in thread after thread.

I am happy for people to dislike me if their reason for doing so is because they’re deeply offended by the objective truths of reality.

No one can undermine any of the claims I’ve made in this thread.

That’s not me being cocky, but if people prefer to believe in idle gossip, rather than the events that actually occurred in the real-world, then it doesn’t require genius level intellect to dismantle their arguments with consummate ease!

It's not your "facts". It's the way you execute your point. But, if you aren't in to making friends, it's all good. IMO, building relationship is more meaningful and fruitful than being a correct a-hole all the time. We are relational beings. If you weren't, you wouldn't even be on this forum. But whatever.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Emil wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:
I wholeheartedly feel that those choose to ignore the easily accessible facts of reality… are utter fúckíng cúnts!

So to sum it up. The enlightened-one is a fúckíng cúnt in thread after thread.

I am happy for people to dislike me if their reason for doing so is because they’re deeply offended by the objective truths of reality.

that isn't the reason you're disliked, which emil has nailed for you already.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

Emil wrote: So to sum it up. The enlightened-one is a fúckíng cúnt in thread after thread.

I am happy for people to dislike me if their reason for doing so is because they’re deeply offended by the objective truths of reality.

No one can undermine any of the claims I’ve made in this thread.

That’s not me being cocky, but if people prefer to believe in idle gossip, rather than the events that actually occurred in the real-world, then it doesn’t require genius level intellect to dismantle their arguments with consummate ease!

It's not your "facts". It's the way you execute your point. But, if you aren't in to making friends, it's all good. IMO, building relationship is more meaningful and fruitful than being a correct a-hole all the time. But whatever.

I normally adopt a very soft tone when I articulate my thoughts in any thread.

I only become aggressive to those that challenge my thoughts regularly, whilst attacking me personally using insults.

So if other people don’t usually follow my comments, but they inadvertently catch-up with one of my heated arguments, then I can understand them believing that I’m an ársé hole.

There’s nothing I can do about that situation, I’m afraid.

If I don’t defend myself, then no one else is going to do it for me… so if I inadvertently portray myself as a bully when I decimate other people’s arguments, then there’s little I can do about it.

There is a long laundry list of why everyone hates you. Your most objectionable trait is the fornicating novels you crank out on every mundane aspect of nothing. I have you on ignore and still have to scroll for minutes at a time because of quotes. I mean, you're an obnoxious idiot, but that's fine in short doses. Drop the Hemingway act, cuunt.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:There is a long laundry list of why everyone hates you. Your most objectionable trait is the effing novels you crank out on every mundane aspect of nothing. I have you on ignore and still have to scroll for minutes at a time because of quotes. I mean, you're an obnoxious idiot, but that's fine in short doses. Drop the Hemingway act, cuunt.

The Hemingway line

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:There is a long laundry list of why everyone hates you. Your most objectionable trait is the effing novels you crank out on every mundane aspect of nothing. I have you on ignore and still have to scroll for minutes at a time because of quotes. I mean, you're an obnoxious idiot, but that's fine in short doses. Drop the Hemingway act, cuunt.

If you actually had me on ‘ignore’ then you wouldn’t keep responding to every single one of my posts you silly fúckíng cúnt!

Talk about making a complete tít of yourself whilst trying to insult someone!

The thing is this EO

You can write as much as you want and as smart arse as you want. But, it diesnt change FACTS

Those are:

One boxer can do everything: elbow, excessive holding, vitamin injections, determin how vada has to work etc

And the other (pacquiao, maidana, simply put it floyds opponents) cant do nothing. Pac wasnt allowed vitamin injections or anythinf. Maidana wasnt allowed from boxing in close range....etc

And nobody, nobody cant deny the fact that vegas is one of the most criminal citys in the world. When i say criminal i dont mean people dying, vegas aint baltimore, but by criminal i mean money laundry, trickster trying to trick the casino, gambling, sketchy stuff. Where $$$$$ is there is dishonesty and in vegas there is plenty of $$$$$_.

Now you can write 100 pages but it wont change that refferys, judge descision and organizations protecting guys like floyd or andre.

We should have like a diagram sort of like family tree style with all the dodgy accounts (people with multiple accounts) on the forum so we know which mental retards keep posting and replying to themselves ect. It can be funny sometimes but getting a bit rediculous

Jip wrote:The thing is this EO

You can write as much as you want and as smart arse as you want. But, it diesnt change FACTS

Those are:

One boxer can do everything: elbow, excessive holding, vitamin injections, determin how vada has to work etc

And the other (pacquiao, maidana, simply put it floyds opponents) cant do nothing. Pac wasnt allowed vitamin injections or anythinf. Maidana wasnt allowed from boxing in close range....etc

And nobody, nobody cant deny the fact that vegas is one of the most criminal citys in the world. When i say criminal i dont mean people dying, vegas aint baltimore, but by criminal i mean money laundry, trickster trying to trick the casino, gambling, sketchy stuff. Where $$$$$ is there is dishonesty and in vegas there is plenty of $$$$$_.

Now you can write 100 pages but it wont change that refferys, judge descision and organizations protecting guys like floyd or andre.

Is this what you mean by money laundry?