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BigDoofus wrote:

billy nelson wrote:Carl won't be going anywhere

I questioned this on the first page of the thread and questioned it on another forum when Nelson made the same claims. His arrogant response was




billy nelson said: ↑

Big Doofus right enough big idiot you ain't got a clue what's happening mate, stay tuned you will hear very soon

Needless to say, you had the last laugh.

mimmy123 wrote:

Knew this was coming. Still quite sad to see but Carl has to do what's best for him and his family in the final stages of his career. I hope he can get some meaningful fights and sign off with a flourish.

Will he go with Hearn or W@rren?
or just work solely through Haymon?

Hearn I reckon- so more ppv s then

Noxy wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:Cyclone Promotions must be in serious trouble. Expensive premises (Battersea), a lot of people on payroll (prob inflated pay for family esp.)

I used to see the whole posse in Battersea a bit. Swaggering around in a big group. Looked like way too many heads for a small outfit.

The gym in Battersea must cost loads and is only used by pro fighters (who won't pay) and people doing one on ones.

I spoke to Shane once, he was very nice, even a bit shy. Barry wasn't very friendly when I said I wanted a photo for an Irish friend.

I've never met Barry but I went to see Carl against Molitor a few years back. Barry was there surrounded by a lot of fans and there was this young boy on the outside of the group. He looked starstruck but too shy to do much about it. Barry noticed him and made sure the lad got a photo with him before he went on his way. I was impressed by that. But I guess everyone has their bad days as well.

He's always had time for the fans when I've seen him at shows but told me where to go when I was slightly drunk and asked him to explain his reasoning for fighting outside in the midday sun in vegas.

dave_smith wrote:

Noxy wrote:

boxingknockout wrote:Cyclone Promotions must be in serious trouble. Expensive premises (Battersea), a lot of people on payroll (prob inflated pay for family esp.)

I used to see the whole posse in Battersea a bit. Swaggering around in a big group. Looked like way too many heads for a small outfit.

The gym in Battersea must cost loads and is only used by pro fighters (who won't pay) and people doing one on ones.

I spoke to Shane once, he was very nice, even a bit shy. Barry wasn't very friendly when I said I wanted a photo for an Irish friend.

I've never met Barry but I went to see Carl against Molitor a few years back. Barry was there surrounded by a lot of fans and there was this young boy on the outside of the group. He looked starstruck but too shy to do much about it. Barry noticed him and made sure the lad got a photo with him before he went on his way. I was impressed by that. But I guess everyone has their bad days as well.

He's always had time for the fans when I've seen him at shows but told me where to go when I was slightly drunk and asked him to explain his reasoning for fighting outside in the midday sun in vegas.

Aye, I can believe that. In his autobiography he says it was the last thing he wanted to do.

For me if i was him i'd go to Hearn , Eddie continually says he holds no grudges and he'll work with anyone , has long has Frampton can stay top level , i think Hearn would give him the better deal , Eddie needs nore PPV fighters , after all he can only get Bellow Haye so many times , Brook is just about finished , only a Khan fight left , that could be PPV ,, Joshua well who is here for him thats PPV worthy more easy fights he has the more the ppv value drops ,, i think Hearn actually needs Frampton

Good luck to Carl whatever he decides

coneye wrote:For me if i was him i'd go to Hearn , Eddie continually says he holds no grudges and he'll work with anyone , has long has Frampton can stay top level , i think Hearn would give him the better deal , Eddie needs nore PPV fighters , after all he can only get Bellow Haye so many times , Brook is just about finished , only a Khan fight left , that could be PPV ,, Joshua well who is here for him thats PPV worthy more easy fights he has the more the ppv value drops ,, i think Hearn actually needs Frampton

Agree with that Hearns not daft - whether Frampton thinks he's a prick or not he carries the cash that Frampton is looking for over next 18-24 months to set himself up for life (if not already)

Similarly with Frampton you don't need to like the guy to work with him - if he can give you Windsor Park next summer then you sign regardless.

Frampton got 1m (US) for 2nd Leo Santa fight - can't remember the 1st purse but take away Shane %/Cyclone %/ Camp costs etc then Tax etc - not huge amount really for World Title fight when you work it into pounds.

3132DW wrote:

coneye wrote:For me if i was him i'd go to Hearn , Eddie continually says he holds no grudges and he'll work with anyone , has long has Frampton can stay top level , i think Hearn would give him the better deal , Eddie needs nore PPV fighters , after all he can only get Bellow Haye so many times , Brook is just about finished , only a Khan fight left , that could be PPV ,, Joshua well who is here for him thats PPV worthy more easy fights he has the more the ppv value drops ,, i think Hearn actually needs Frampton

Agree with that Hearns not daft - whether Frampton thinks he's a prick or not he carries the cash that Frampton is looking for over next 18-24 months to set himself up for life (if not already)

Similarly with Frampton you don't need to like the guy to work with him - if he can give you Windsor Park next summer then you sign regardless.

Frampton got 1m (US) for 2nd Leo Santa fight - can't remember the 1st purse but take away Shane %/Cyclone %/ Camp costs etc then Tax etc - not huge amount really for World Title fight when you work it into pounds.

But what fights will Hearn get for him though ?

Look at Kell Brooks career he consistently failed to get him fights best for him. Khan,Vargas,Rios,Thurman,Garcia, Bradley ( which they turned down). Spence was a mandatory GGG was a joke.

Hearns a good promoter but Frampton doesn't need him now.

I think it will be with Schaefer.

Frampton is entering the calzaghe/Hatton phase of his career where he really does not need a promoter. Solid fan base all he needs is fight dates which Haymon will deliver.

Massive shame, as Barry really brought Carl through from nowhere to the big time, and boxing on 5 could have proved a big breakthrough for the sport with world titles on offer - terrible if he goes to the massively undeserving daddy's boy Hearn and that bunch of feckless charlatans at sky TV .

Thought Barry's son was pretty clueless in Carl's loss, but a big time trainer should have been brought in instead ...

The criticism of Shane seems to ignore how good LSC was in the rematch.

samwbr wrote:The criticism of Shane seems to ignore how good LSC was in the rematch.

Halfway through the fight you could see the tactics were not working in the rematch - that's when the top class trainers would try change it when it's going wrong.

I'd like to see Frampton with Adam Booth.

MightyWarrior wrote:Massive shame, as Barry really brought Carl through from nowhere to the big time, and boxing on 5 could have proved a big breakthrough for the sport with world titles on offer - terrible if he goes to the massively undeserving daddy's boy Hearn and that bunch of feckless charlatans at sky TV .

Thought Barry's son was pretty clueless in Carl's loss, but a big time trainer should have been brought in instead ...

Frampton was their meal ticket - they built of the back of him rather than the other way around.

You go where the cash is - that's why Carl's done this. He should have done it a long time ago.

You should have Manager and Promotor - not same person doing both as it's a conflict of interest.

3132DW wrote:

samwbr wrote:The criticism of Shane seems to ignore how good LSC was in the rematch.

Halfway through the fight you could see the tactics were not working in the rematch - that's when the top class trainers would try change it when it's going wrong.

I'd like to see Frampton with Adam Booth.

Carl thought he would knock him out, Shane wasn't telling him the same thing each break. Think he's getting criticised a bit unfairly, not blameless but Carl is culpable too.

3132DW wrote:

samwbr wrote:The criticism of Shane seems to ignore how good LSC was in the rematch.

Halfway through the fight you could see the tactics were not working in the rematch - that's when the top class trainers would try change it when it's going wrong.

I'd like to see Frampton with Adam Booth.

Does Adam Booth have a plan B? Don't think I've ever seen it in fights where his tactics aren't working