Miguel Cotto floored Joshua Clottey solidly with a jab.. Clottey had a great chin.. If a punch surprises you and hits a nerve, you can drop.. Robert Guerrero had a real good chin and Joel Casamayor floored him with a jab.. If a jab landed perfectly with perfect timing that can happen to anybody..SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman floored tua with a jab.
UnofficiallySaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman floored tua with a jab.
He got robbed worse in the first fight when they were both in shape. He won every round until tua caught him after the bell. It wasn't intentional, but it was late.gilgamesh wrote:UnofficiallySaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman floored tua with a jab.
It happened just ever so slightly after the bell in their 2nd bout. I always thought that was funny though the way Rahman pointed like "Look at him, he went down!"
Rock got robbed bad in that fight.
He was fat as hell that night, but he still deserved the nod over Tua. I had it 116-112 as I recall.
Never saw their 1st fight.
Miguel Cotto floored Joshua Clottey solidly with a jab.. Clottey had a great chin.. If a punch surprises you and hits a nerve, you can drop.. Robert Guerrero had a real good chin and Joel Casamayor floored him with a jab.. If a jab landed perfectly with perfect timing that can happen to anybody..SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman floored tua with a jab.
I wasn't implying he didn't have a good chin, he early did. Just amusing that a woefully out of shape rock and a shot Monte Barrett we're the guys to floor him.Kalan wrote:Miguel Cotto floored Joshua Clottey solidly with a jab.. Clottey had a great chin.. If a punch surprises you and hits a nerve, you can drop.. Robert Guerrero had a real good chin and Joel Casamayor floored him with a jab.. If a jab landed perfectly with perfect timing that can happen to anybody..SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Rahman floored tua with a jab.
I just checked... Rahman hit Tua after the bell, so it was not an official knockdown.
Yeah I knew of the fight, just never have watched it.SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He got robbed worse in the first fight when they were both in shape. He won every round until tua caught him after the bell. It wasn't intentional, but it was late.
Pretty sure the second fight was on Showtime, but Rahman definitely owned him. He got robbed against toney too.gilgamesh wrote:Yeah I knew of the fight, just never have watched it.SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He got robbed worse in the first fight when they were both in shape. He won every round until tua caught him after the bell. It wasn't intentional, but it was late.
I remember his line with Larry Merchant following the 2nd fight "Hell I've beat the man twice, and I still ain't got no wins on my record"
It wasn't. It was on HBO. It was the undercard of Hopkins vs Morrade Hakkar. (I even remember the Commentary crew saying THIS was the Main Event as far as most Boxing fans were concerned)SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Pretty sure the second fight was on Showtime, but Rahman definitely owned him. He got robbed against toney too.
Yeah definitely.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I'll take your word for it. What a terrible card.
Rahman claimed he couldn't see in the first Toney fight -- when clearly there was no obstruction to his vision. Other boxers who begged out of fights, claiming they couldn't see from very tiny cuts or bungs on an eye -- were Nate Campbell and Devon Alexander, both against Tim Bradley -- and Luis Collazo against Keith Thurman after a round where he took a couple hard rights.. Collazo's eye was slightly worse then Rahman's, Alexander's, or Campbell's, but his corner was very upset with him for quitting. Campbell and Rahman were very clever. They knew the fight hadn't gone enough rounds to render a decision.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Pretty sure the second fight was on Showtime, but Rahman definitely owned him. He got robbed against toney too.gilgamesh wrote:Yeah I knew of the fight, just never have watched it.SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He got robbed worse in the first fight when they were both in shape. He won every round until tua caught him after the bell. It wasn't intentional, but it was late.
I remember his line with Larry Merchant following the 2nd fight "Hell I've beat the man twice, and I still ain't got no wins on my record"
It sure as Hell is... Haye is a devastating puncher. Chisora had never been stopped among many others he smashed out... Haye's KO ratio is way ahead of somebody like Shavers who fought tons of bums.. Shavers would swing as big as he could and still couldn't get some 3rd rate Heavyweights like Stallings out.Ossyrules wrote:Haye had valuev dancing when they fought. Sure Haye was a big puncher, but i always consider haye a murderous puncher at cruiser, big puncher at heavy but in all time conversations, his power isn't in the conversation.Kalan wrote:Possibly Nicolai Valuev has also never been floored. But he refused to fight the Klitschkos and he was terrible. I don't think his chin was that great. He just avoided the most dangerous Heavyweights and looked for the Monte Barrett's of the world.
Chuvalo was stopped early by Frazier and Foreman, so I don't think his resistance was among the best.. It was good...not fabulous.
What I said was correct.Kalan wrote:It sure as Hell is... Haye is a devastating puncher. Chisora had never been stopped among many others he smashed out... Haye's KO ratio is way ahead of somebody like Shavers who fought tons of bums.. Shavers would swing as big as he could and still couldn't get some 3rd rate Heavyweights like Stallings out.Ossyrules wrote:Haye had valuev dancing when they fought. Sure Haye was a big puncher, but i always consider haye a murderous puncher at cruiser, big puncher at heavy but in all time conversations, his power isn't in the conversation.Kalan wrote:Possibly Nicolai Valuev has also never been floored. But he refused to fight the Klitschkos and he was terrible. I don't think his chin was that great. He just avoided the most dangerous Heavyweights and looked for the Monte Barrett's of the world.
Chuvalo was stopped early by Frazier and Foreman, so I don't think his resistance was among the best.. It was good...not fabulous.
Kalan wrote:NOPE!!! ... Haye was definitely one of the best punchers ever -- and bigger than Shavers for one thing... He was a solid 217 when he made Valuev do his dance.
\Kalan wrote:He wasn't sleepwalking. If he were unconscious Haye would have finished him. He was alert but couldn't find his legs for a sec, hence the clumsy dance.
Louis had no fear of Walcott's power.. Walcott had a 45% KO ratio. Walcott couldn't even get Johnny Allen out -- at 11-14-1 Allen lost more fights than he won and had been knocked out 4 times already... Walcott was making his 40th pro fight but lost a decision to Allen.funso banjo baby wrote: Also check out the second Joe Louis V Jersey Joe Walcott fight. Louis takes at least one punch during his legendary final winning barrage that would have felled a tree
He also didn't fight opponents anywhere near as good as Ali's.Kalan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2017, 01:34ONLY 3 times???? ... How many times was Vitali Klitschko down??? ... And he never fought anyone as light as the 3 guys who decked Ali.SenorPipino wrote:Ali.
Fought a generation and a half of top heavies.
Only down 3 times legitimately and 2 of those knockdowns were when he was young and didn't have the balance he developed with time.
Chuvalo, though, was incredible. So he was stopped by Frazier and Foreman. So? He never went down in either fight and was hit with a million head shots.