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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Ok, maybe he woin't move up. He hasn't come close to eclipsing Holyfield in any form.

His punch variation, footwork and ring iq are already better than holyfields

He could only dream of having footwork and punch variation like Holyfield's. Man you're dumb.

Take your time go to youtube. Watch holyfield at cw and compare it with usyk....& you ll see

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Tua overrated power ?

Tyson too ?
Maybe Foreman ?

Yes, Tua.
No, Foreman

You must be kidding.
Does anyone agree with Saad about Tua's power ?
Anyone ?

They hayemaker could take usyk out imo


Yes usyk is more refine and technically better, but he's open. At cruiser Haye was crazy fast and mega big puncher. Usyk would see the right hand and he'd be in trouble from it imo

Just my opinion

Though figures valmar are too high. I like usyk and I like his speed and workrate for a big guy, but he's not tens for everything

Ossyrules wrote:They hayemaker could take usyk out imo


Yes usyk is more refine and technically better, but he's open. At cruiser Haye was crazy fast and mega big puncher. Usyk would see the right hand and he'd be in trouble from it imo

Just my opinion

Though figures valmar are too high. I like usyk and I like his speed and workrate for a big guy, but he's not tens for everything

I agree about CW Haye, he was a very, very dangerous....I hope there is still possibility to see Haye-Usyk in 2018 or 2019.

ValMar wrote: You must be kidding.
Does anyone agree with Saad about Tua's power ?
Anyone ?

Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

For me the stoppage was a little bit premature...

geronimo wrote:For me the stoppage was a little bit premature...

Huck is a warrior, sometimes you have to save the boxer from himself..he was losing basically every round and was being increasingly dominated by Usyk...the referee just saved his (Huck's) face by waving it off..

Jip wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

Jip wrote:
Maybe moorer, who possessed brutal punching power at cw

Or juan carlos gomez, who in his prime was a very athletic elite cruiserweight
If we talk overall skillset usyk the best i ve seen

Fair enough, Jip. He certainly is an excellent talent. I have Briedis winning the tournament.

Breidis is good. Got pop in his punches. Ko d a heavyweight. #2 for me.

WTF? Are you talking about Charr?

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote: You must be kidding.
Does anyone agree with Saad about Tua's power ?
Anyone ?

Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote: You must be kidding.
Does anyone agree with Saad about Tua's power ?
Anyone ?

Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

I disagree. I didn't see Huck so much in trouble to stop the fight.

Heretic wrote:

Jip wrote:

Tanzio wrote: Fair enough, Jip. He certainly is an excellent talent. I have Briedis winning the tournament.

Breidis is good. Got pop in his punches. Ko d a heavyweight. #2 for me.

WTF? Are you talking about Charr?

Yup

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote: You must be kidding.
Does anyone agree with Saad about Tua's power ?
Anyone ?

Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

Relax valmar. You have to accept others oppinion, like i do

greg wrote:

geronimo wrote:For me the stoppage was a little bit premature...

Huck is a warrior, sometimes you have to save the boxer from himself..he was losing basically every round and was being increasingly dominated by Usyk...the referee just saved his (Huck's) face by waving it off..

I see it the same way. Correct stoppage.

Jip wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

Relax valmar. You have to accept others oppinion, like i do

Would you accept that 2+2 =5 ?

Jip wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Jip wrote:
His punch variation, footwork and ring iq are already better than holyfields

He could only dream of having footwork and punch variation like Holyfield's. Man you're dumb.

Take your time go to youtube. Watch holyfield at cw and compare it with usyk....& you ll see

I have holyfields career on dvd, watched them all live. As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ValMar wrote: You must be kidding.
Does anyone agree with Saad about Tua's power ?
Anyone ?

Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

Don't be silly, vitali was feather fisted though. Tia definitely punched much harder than he did

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

Don't be silly, vitali was feather fisted though. Tia definitely punched much harder than he did

Yeah I am sure those 41 KO's were all just a fluke

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Tua's power can tend to be overrated. Though not as much as his overall ability gets overrated sometimes. Power was the one thing he had that made him a significant fighter. Other than that he was a plodding brawler that was very easy to outbox.

Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

Don't be silly, vitali was feather fisted though. Tia definitely punched much harder than he did

Saad, this is not questionable, at all - Tua was a very powerful puncher. He has to be on the top ten list (punching power, considering boxers active since 2000). I have no doubts about that (like 99 % of boxing fans)........

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

Don't be silly, vitali was feather fisted though. Tia definitely punched much harder than he did

Saad, this is not questionable, at all - Tua was a very powerful puncher. He has to be on the top ten list (punching power, considering boxers active since 2000). I have no doubts about that (like 99 % of boxing fans)........

That would be a terrible list.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Don't be silly, vitali was feather fisted though. Tia definitely punched much harder than he did

Saad, this is not questionable, at all - Tua was a very powerful puncher. He has to be on the top ten list (punching power, considering boxers active since 2000). I have no doubts about that (like 99 % of boxing fans)........

That would be a terrible list.

Terrible or not, Tua's place is on that list, and this is axiom............

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote: Saad, this is not questionable, at all - Tua was a very powerful puncher. He has to be on the top ten list (punching power, considering boxers active since 2000). I have no doubts about that (like 99 % of boxing fans)........

That would be a terrible list.

Terrible or not, Tua's place is on that list, and this is axiom............

Have fun making your list. I didn't notice you had since 2000, he might make that. I thought you meant ever. Which is the kind of overrating of his power that has gone on for years. He didn't punch any harder than holyfield.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: That would be a terrible list.

Terrible or not, Tua's place is on that list, and this is axiom............

Have fun making your list. I didn't notice you had since 2000, he might make that. I thought you meant ever. Which is the kind of overrating of his power that has gone on for years. He didn't punch any harder than holyfield.

"Ever" would be really too much... And, he punched harder than Holyfield, definitely....And, Holyfield was much better fighter, generally speaking....
And, I am off topic, again, obviously....

Heretic wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

ValMar wrote:
Without his power Tua would have been no more than an average HW.

Yes, Tua had the lethal punch power.....

Tomorrow, we will read here that Ali had not been skillful, or that Vitaly had the weak chin, or something about the featherfisted Tyson.

Don't be silly, vitali was feather fisted though. Tia definitely punched much harder than he did

Yeah I am sure those 41 KO's were all just a fluke

He was a large man fighting inferior opposition. Even though he was an arm puncher it still stings. Not like he was Byrd, just not a puncher. Tia is a puncher, just an overrated one. Wlad had massive power.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Heretic wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: Don't be silly, vitali was feather fisted though. Tia definitely punched much harder than he did

Yeah I am sure those 41 KO's were all just a fluke

He was a large man fighting inferior opposition. Even though he was an arm puncher it still stings. Not like he was Byrd, just not a puncher. Tia is a puncher, just an overrated one. Wlad had massive power.

Tua is overrated puncher only for you-----if Usyk has Tua's power he will tomorrow defeat Joshua, Ortiz and Wilder.....Tomorrow....

ValMar wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Heretic wrote:
Yeah I am sure those 41 KO's were all just a fluke

He was a large man fighting inferior opposition. Even though he was an arm puncher it still stings. Not like he was Byrd, just not a puncher. Tia is a puncher, just an overrated one. Wlad had massive power.

Tua is overrated puncher only for you-----if Usyk has Tua's power he will tomorrow defeat Joshua, Ortiz and Wilder.....Tomorrow....

I only care about me. No need to quote me over and over to say the same shit. Wouldn't be the first or last time I'm singular in my opinion, and correct. As for the usyk analogy, David hit much harder than him so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. If usyk had tuas lack of skills and speed he'd be Huck. Wilder and Joshua punch harder than tua anyway, so he'd still be the underdog there. He could beat Ortiz without a power upgrade.