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Though I don't agree with 90% of what Kalan says.
I like him. I guess he's grown on me

If Usyk does not win the tournament, is he still "the best cruiserweight ever?"

Ossyrules wrote:The hittable bowe is a good one, aka the ring magazine number 1 for a good section of the 90s, and hand responsible for one of the greatest top flight heavyweight trilogies ever

I don't care where Bowe was ranked. He refused to fight Lennox Lewis, who would have torn his head off... Lewis dispatched punching bag Golota in seconds.. Bowe took tons of punches from Golota who wrecked his career.. Bowe was one sad punched up target... Can you imagine Bowe going into that crossover Kickboxing fight unprepared -- not landing a single punch and getting kicked to death??? ... Typical Bowe. If he got paid well I'd understand him doing that.

Tanzio wrote:If Usyk does not win the tournament, is he still "the best cruiserweight ever?"

Even if he wins the Tournament he's probably still not there, but at least it's not a completely absurd conversation to have at that point.

Jip wrote:I know you guys all think that only old school or old old school boxer can be atg or #1 ever in a division and boxer from 2000 till now are nothing more than good.

Take for one time your nostalgia glasses off and tell me 1 cruiserweight who had the total package of phenomenal footwork, punxh variation, control, balance, power & speed like Usyk has. You wont find nobody. Spinks and Moorer looked limited compared to this guy. Evander tremendous footwork himself but not as good as usyks. Also when talking about variety of punches, ring iq usyk just better.

Evander takes Usyks at Measuring the Evander vs Qawi vs where Usyks is now..I think Evander KO"s him and I think Usyks is very good..

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The hittable bowe is a good one, aka the ring magazine number 1 for a good section of the 90s, and hand responsible for one of the greatest top flight heavyweight trilogies ever

I don't care where Bowe was ranked. He refused to fight Lennox Lewis, who would have torn his head off... Lewis dispatched punching bag Golota in seconds.. Bowe took tons of punches from Golota who wrecked his career.. Bowe was one sad punched up target... Can you imagine Bowe going into that crossover Kickboxing fight unprepared -- not landing a single punch and getting kicked to death??? ... Typical Bowe. If he got paid well I'd understand him doing that.

I like Lennox Lewis, but around the time the fight was muted, bowe was possibly favourite.

That fight was no foregone conclusion

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:The hittable bowe is a good one, aka the ring magazine number 1 for a good section of the 90s, and hand responsible for one of the greatest top flight heavyweight trilogies ever

I don't care where Bowe was ranked. He refused to fight Lennox Lewis, who would have torn his head off... Lewis dispatched punching bag Golota in seconds.. Bowe took tons of punches from Golota who wrecked his career.. Bowe was one sad punched up target... Can you imagine Bowe going into that crossover Kickboxing fight unprepared -- not landing a single punch and getting kicked to death??? ... Typical Bowe. If he got paid well I'd understand him doing that.

I like Lennox Lewis, but around the time the fight was muted, bowe was possibly favourite.

That fight was no foregone conclusion

No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

ValMar wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:
I don't care where Bowe was ranked. He refused to fight Lennox Lewis, who would have torn his head off... Lewis dispatched punching bag Golota in seconds.. Bowe took tons of punches from Golota who wrecked his career.. Bowe was one sad punched up target... Can you imagine Bowe going into that crossover Kickboxing fight unprepared -- not landing a single punch and getting kicked to death??? ... Typical Bowe. If he got paid well I'd understand him doing that.

I like Lennox Lewis, but around the time the fight was muted, bowe was possibly favourite.

That fight was no foregone conclusion

No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
I like Lennox Lewis, but around the time the fight was muted, bowe was possibly favourite.

That fight was no foregone conclusion

No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

I just can't accept that the guy who went to war with holyfield and convincingly beat him had no chance against the guy who pulled one out against Bruno.

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
I like Lennox Lewis, but around the time the fight was muted, bowe was possibly favourite.

That fight was no foregone conclusion

No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

For me, it could have been, at least 51/49 Lewis.
Simply, I will never accept that Bowe has been favourite....Never....OK, it is my personal feeling, nothing more.........

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
I like Lennox Lewis, but around the time the fight was muted, bowe was possibly favourite.

That fight was no foregone conclusion

No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

Not for me. That fight was 100-1 in Lewis's favor. I can understand why Bowe threw his Title Belt in a trash can. He was wide open. I don't care if Bowe was a good brawler. He couldn't box or defend himself. He avoided big punchers: Tua, Mercer, Ruddock, Tyson, Lewis, McCall. All those guys Lewis fought.. Even little Herbie Hide punched the Hell out of Bowe for 3 rounds, but Hide was his favorite kind of opponent -- a Cruiserweight who couldn't hit.. He stayed away from big heavyweights with dynamite power.. Golota couldn't blow his nose without help from somebody, but he's in better shape than the hapless Bowe.

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote:
No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

Not for me. That fight was 100-1 in Lewis's favor. I can understand why Bowe threw his Title Belt in a trash can. He was wide open. I don't care if Bowe was a good brawler. He couldn't box or defend himself. He avoided big punchers: Tua, Mercer, Ruddock, Tyson, Lewis, McCall. All those guys Lewis fought.. Even little Herbie Hide punched the Hell out of Bowe for 3 rounds, but Hide was his favorite kind of opponent -- a Cruiserweight who couldn't hit.. He stayed away from big heavyweights with dynamite power.. Golota couldn't blow his nose without help from somebody, but he's in better shape than the hapless Bowe.

Whatever you say KaJip.

Why are you comparing me to kalan

He is overexagerating, i just make sense.

Lewis tko Bowe

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote:
No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

Not for me. That fight was 100-1 in Lewis's favor. I can understand why Bowe threw his Title Belt in a trash can. He was wide open. I don't care if Bowe was a good brawler. He couldn't box or defend himself. He avoided big punchers: Tua, Mercer, Ruddock, Tyson, Lewis, McCall. All those guys Lewis fought.. Even little Herbie Hide punched the Hell out of Bowe for 3 rounds, but Hide was his favorite kind of opponent -- a Cruiserweight who couldn't hit.. He stayed away from big heavyweights with dynamite power.. Golota couldn't blow his nose without help from somebody, but he's in better shape than the hapless Bowe.

Saying a fight between 2 best in the division is 100-1... there's no point taking these kind of posts serious

Jip wrote:Why are you comparing me to kalan

He is overexagerating, i just make sense.

Lewis tko Bowe

You're really quite low standard poster jip sorry.

Ossyrules wrote:

Jip wrote:Why are you comparing me to kalan

He is overexagerating, i just make sense.

Lewis tko Bowe

You're really quite low standard poster jip sorry.

I am one of i would even say the best poster here











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Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:

ValMar wrote:
No ! Lewis has been better than Bowe (since 1988 to the end of their careers).

Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

Not for me. That fight was 100-1 in Lewis's favor. I can understand why Bowe threw his Title Belt in a trash can. He was wide open. I don't care if Bowe was a good brawler. He couldn't box or defend himself. He avoided big punchers: Tua, Mercer, Ruddock, Tyson, Lewis, McCall. All those guys Lewis fought.. Even little Herbie Hide punched the Hell out of Bowe for 3 rounds, but Hide was his favorite kind of opponent -- a Cruiserweight who couldn't hit.. He stayed away from big heavyweights with dynamite power.. Golota couldn't blow his nose without help from somebody, but he's in better shape than the hapless Bowe.

Typically ludicrous exaggeration.

Ossyrules wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
Valmar history is history. You can't rewrite it

After beating evander Holyfield riddick bowe was number 1. Lennox Lewis was on the way up and very dangerous, but also much more open than when steward took him on. Lennox is ATG above bowe, but at that time the fight was 50-50 imo

Not for me. That fight was 100-1 in Lewis's favor. I can understand why Bowe threw his Title Belt in a trash can. He was wide open. I don't care if Bowe was a good brawler. He couldn't box or defend himself. He avoided big punchers: Tua, Mercer, Ruddock, Tyson, Lewis, McCall. All those guys Lewis fought.. Even little Herbie Hide punched the Hell out of Bowe for 3 rounds, but Hide was his favorite kind of opponent -- a Cruiserweight who couldn't hit.. He stayed away from big heavyweights with dynamite power.. Golota couldn't blow his nose without help from somebody, but he's in better shape than the hapless Bowe.

Saying a fight between 2 best in the division is 100-1... there's no point taking these kind of posts serious

Because I also figured underdog George Foreman was a 100-1 favorite to beat favored Frazier by my odds.. Why NOT??? What does it matter if they were rated the 2 best Heavyweights or what??? Bowe was more wide open than Frazier was.. Any great puncher kills a guy who is that easy to hit.. They get rid of them real quick.. Some jizzbo's even favored Golota to beat Lewis.. Why? .. The Foul Pole was another guy you couldn't miss with a punch.

Jip wrote:What did holyfield do to be considered #1?

Boxing lots of nobodys like pikey, fighting a small gnome in qawi. Qawi and de leon where very good, but not super impressiv either. So holyfield beat 2 good cw in a back than weak cw division and therefore he must be #1?

What did usyk do to be considered #1?

In only 13 fights holyfield did nothing but defeating taxi drivers (except qawi). In the same amount of fights usyk has been defeating back than #1 ranked cw in glowacki, top 15 mchunu and ex champion huck.

That "small gnome" Dwight Qawi is a legendary Hall of Famer who dominated a loaded Light Heavy division before moving up to Cruiser!! Evander beat Qawi twice, the second time by brutal KO4.

Even Carlos DeLeon would beat most of Usyk's top victims. The ONLY way Glowacki, Mchunu or Huck even get CLOSE to the HOF is if they pay the admission fee like everyone else!!

Usyk is a very good fighter and could one day be a great one, but you are clearly jumping the gun by calling him "best cruiserweight ever."

Jip wrote:Why are you comparing me to kalan

He is overexagerating, i just make sense.

Lewis tko Bowe

You have my vote on that one, at least I agree Lennox wins, maybe inside the distance. I think if Bowe thought he could beat Lewis he'd have had a shot at it.

Wilder v Zeleoff 100-1 ok but Lewis v Bowe or Frazier v Foreman 100-1 no way. Sorry Kalan but that's nonsense.

I was sooo looking forward to Frazier against Foreman. I certainly gave Foreman a good chance which is more than many did. I still would have gone for Frazier if forced to choose one or the other, but I never saw that demolition job coming. After that I though Big George was invincible then along comes Ali and ... doh! ... wrong again.

I'm very much older now and mistakes of that nature are a thing of the past .... yeah, right!

Best Coast wrote:

Jip wrote:What did holyfield do to be considered #1?

Boxing lots of nobodys like pikey, fighting a small gnome in qawi. Qawi and de leon where very good, but not super impressiv either. So holyfield beat 2 good cw in a back than weak cw division and therefore he must be #1?

What did usyk do to be considered #1?

In only 13 fights holyfield did nothing but defeating taxi drivers (except qawi). In the same amount of fights usyk has been defeating back than #1 ranked cw in glowacki, top 15 mchunu and ex champion huck.

That "small gnome" Dwight Qawi is a legendary Hall of Famer who dominated a loaded Light Heavy division before moving up to Cruiser!! Evander beat Qawi twice, the second time by brutal KO4.

Even Carlos DeLeon would beat most of Usyk's top victims. The ONLY way Glowacki, Mchunu or Huck even get CLOSE to the HOF is if they pay the admission fee like everyone else!!

Usyk is a very good fighter and could one day be a great one, but you are clearly jumping the gun by calling him "best cruiserweight ever."

Huck fought as good or better opponents than what qawi or de leon fought.

Qawi might have been a destructer at LH but at CW he was a midget, height of 5'7. Holyfield is 6'2, usyk 6'3, both super skilled, both very strong and athletic, qawi not in that league.

I say usyk is the best because his quality is the best. No one has ever been blessed with such a good combo puncher, great footwork, ring iq

Lol at combination punching.

candyslim wrote:

Jip wrote:Why are you comparing me to kalan

He is overexagerating, i just make sense.

Lewis tko Bowe

You have my vote on that one, at least I agree Lennox wins, maybe inside the distance. I think if Bowe thought he could beat Lewis he'd have had a shot at it.

Lewis beat bowe in the amateurs and was just overall better than bowe. Would have had a chance? Sure he would. If you are tall strong and have determination anything is posdible. Bowe couldve rahmaned lewis. But the favourite wouldve been lewis

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Lol at combination punching.

Saad please...look at usyk how he throws these blazing combos. Its mindblowing.