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candyslim wrote:The way the division is losing its top stars: Klitschko, Fury, probably Ortiz, effectively Haye, and Povetkin showing signs of decline (that might have been a bad day but at 38 his days are surely numbered) it looks like Pulev might be up for another shot soon if he wants it.

There are plenty of candidates for the vacancies but first the buggers need to show some ambition and start fighting each other.

I've always loved the heavyweight division but I can certainly understand why some boxing fans have lost patience and lost interest.

ps x2x thank you for fixing my typo

KiwiRider wrote:How do we, as boxing fans, get across that we don't care about unbeaten records?
I'm sick of soft matchups.
If your unbeaten, then your either the baddest in your weight class, or you have not challenged yourself. There is only one baddest, the rest fall into the latter category

candyslim wrote:

KiwiRider wrote:How do we, as boxing fans, get across that we don't care about unbeaten records?
I'm sick of soft matchups.
If your unbeaten, then your either the baddest in your weight class, or you have not challenged yourself. There is only one baddest, the rest fall into the latter category

Can we truthfully say that though? Look at Izu Ugonoh. Adrian Granat, John Wesley Nofire, Nick Asberry, Ed Latimore. Once regarded as decent prospects and now largely forgotten. I guess you could say some need to get back in the saddle, but I think we as fans do have a tendency to write people off after a loss or two. It's unhelpful.

candyslim wrote:I'm with you Kiwi. Some of the greatest fighters in history have suffered losses, sometimes multiple losses, because they fought other fighters at the highest level. There are still many around of a similar mind-set, sadly not too many appear to be heavyweights. I think fans can play their part by getting behind those fighters who have come up short on occasion.

It's gratifying to note that Dillian Whyte's popularity hasn't been affected by his knockout loss at least, not in a bad way, there again maybe we are understandably more forgiving of Joshua victims. Curiously Whyte doesn't even recognize that deteat. The daft bugger reports his record as being however many wins it is, and '0'

Kalan wrote:Believe me the "0" does not help put asses in the seats...

Dempsey and Louis took early losses... They were much better draws than Marciano who went undefeated for his entire career but had no charisma.. He was a guy you'd expect to find behind the counter at the local pizzeria...or the mechanic you'd expect to talk to about your car -- no glamour, no glitz... Arnold Gjergjaj was 29-0 for Haye and everybody was critical of him.. Nobody had ever heard of him.. It was Haye who put the asses in those seats, not Gjergjaj.. Wilder is 38-0, with 37 KO wins.. Extremely impressive, but who is real excited about him??? Nobody.

Ali had losses for his biggest money making fights.. Holmes was undefeated for his first 48 and set no records for money or crowds, other than the Ali fight -- which was one of the worst mismatches imaginable, but people were fooled and many thought Ali had a chance... What was the richest Heavyweight fight of all time??? Lewis-Tyson and they had 5 losses between them.. Dempsey-Tunney I and II were the biggest drawing fights in the first 70 years of the 20th Century and neither was undefeated.. Mayweather might have been more of a draw because he went unbeaten.. We don't know that for sure.

So what puts asses in seats??? ... Fame and charisma.. Some guys know how to get ink and be well liked.. or hated.. Fans can't be ambivalent about you.

Kalan wrote:Believe me the "0" does not help put asses in the seats...

Dempsey and Louis took early losses... They were much better draws than Marciano who went undefeated for his entire career but had no charisma.. He was a guy you'd expect to find behind the counter at the local pizzeria...or the mechanic you'd expect to talk to about your car -- no glamour, no glitz... Arnold Gjergjaj was 29-0 for Haye and everybody was critical of him.. Nobody had ever heard of him.. It was Haye who put the asses in those seats, not Gjergjaj.. Wilder is 38-0, with 37 KO wins.. Extremely impressive, but who is real excited about him??? Nobody.

Ali had losses for his biggest money making fights.. Holmes was undefeated for his first 48 and set no records for money or crowds, other than the Ali fight -- which was one of the worst mismatches imaginable, but people were fooled and many thought Ali had a chance... What was the richest Heavyweight fight of all time??? Lewis-Tyson and they had 5 losses between them.. Dempsey-Tunney I and II were the biggest drawing fights in the first 70 years of the 20th Century and neither was undefeated.. Mayweather might have been more of a draw because he went unbeaten.. We don't know that for sure.

So what puts asses in seats??? ... Fame and charisma.. Some guys know how to get ink and be well liked.. or hated.. Fans can't be ambivalent about you.