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BitPlayer wrote:

digzee wrote:He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

digzee wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

digzee wrote:He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

No, it was a good analogy. Why make a fight with Oritz if he knew he was on PED's?

KiwiRider wrote:

davie wrote:The very fact it was predicted by most of us months ago, tells it's own story.

Too fvcking easy. Set up your cash cow against a tough opponent, so he gets credit for once again challenging a strong contender (See Povetkin)
Always knowing that your opponent has previous for drug related offenses and the public will easily buy the fact that he has been caught again
Get your pet drug enforcement body to find him dirty and replace said tough opponent with "the best possible challenge we could find at short notice".....step in Amir Mansour

Boxrec spends months having a meltdown debating whether Ortiz was clean until we get distracted by the big talk of a summer showdown with AJ..... which falls through when AJ gets caught on steroids

Boxrec - "Of course AJ was a roidhead, look at his build....."
Wilder - "Is Bryant Jennings available? No? Whats Derric Roosy's phone number?"

Thanks Davie, you saved me a lot of venting. Pretty much wot you said.

gilgamesh wrote:Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

apollo creed wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Are you guys kidding me? Ortiz can't even get by his first drug test so we blame Wilder for it? Let's be fair here. Wilder signed on to fight two KNOWN PED abusers and while these PED abusers were getting ready for their biggest fight of their career, they went back to the needle for an unfair edge. Ortiz and Povetkin were caught using well before Wilder got in the picture so let's use our heads here.

We aren't talking about Floyd here with Wilder. Wilder doesn't have the money or the command over the sport to be able to mastermind these types of covert Steroid stings with potential opponents that may threaten his title. THIS is what happens in Boxing when you sign on to fight one of these known PEDdlers...you end up wasting your prime training for fights that never happen. Let's put the blame where it belongs here...one person is keeping this fight in limbo and its not Wilder. Let's not blame the clean guy. Ridiculous.

Wilder is pushed and marketed as the undefeated US hw champ KO machine(only bums). The big stake is the fight with AJ which means a lot of money. If Wilder would fight real threats(Povetkin,Ortiz,Whyte) and lose or look bad in those fights his drawing power would drop significantly which means less interest! I really, really doubt that Ortiz and Povetkin started to take peds knowing they will get tested and risk their chance to become champions! Also when your opponent gets caught on something illegal , people will start hating him and look at him like a cheat... and not look at Wilder as a very protected 'bum beater'.

Badhusker wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Wilder is a pbc fighter and none of them, past Robert Guerrero, get what they want. Anyone who has ever talked to wilder knows what he wants. Or he should be in Hollywood.

Badhusker wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

He's sensible with everything non wilder. With deontay he's a troll.

gilgamesh wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Wilder gets a 2nd "Get out of Jail Free" card, and Ortiz has pissed his career away.

Wilder goes on to defend against 4 more NOT Top 10 opponents, Ortiz might as well just retire.

Or go to Russia and fight Povetkin in a PED's allowed match or some sh*t. Winner gets Briggs...and then...all 3 retire.

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

I didn't accuse Wilder of any foul play, I just said that once again he conveniently has an excuse not to fight a Top 10 opponent, and once again he won't...for a long time.

Best Coast wrote: Dont think you are one of the ones blaming the victim though many here are.

But the PED dependence of guys like Povetkin & Ortiz sure are enhancing Wilder's do-nothing agenda!!

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

As a "MOD", I would think you would have enough common sense to look at the facts, and would at least show you had at least an ounce of a brain. I guess that is too much to ask. Instead, you chime in with the other idiots. Nice work you effing moron. As a known Wilder hater, I should have expected no more I guess.

He's sensible with everything non wilder. With deontay he's a troll.

I call it like it is on everything as it comes to Boxing. It is a fact that Deontay Wilder hasn't defended his title against even one Top 10 ranked challenger during his entire reign. That's the one and only thing I ever bust his balls about, and it's 100% true. That's not trolling.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote: He's sensible with everything non wilder. With deontay he's a troll.

I call it like it is on everything as it comes to Boxing. It is a fact that Deontay Wilder hasn't defended his title against even one Top 10 ranked challenger during his entire reign. That's the one and only thing I ever bust his balls about, and it's 100% true. That's not trolling.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I call it like it is on everything as it comes to Boxing. It is a fact that Deontay Wilder hasn't defended his title against even one Top 10 ranked challenger during his entire reign. That's the one and only thing I ever bust his balls about, and it's 100% true. That's not trolling.

Will you still be defending him 3 fights from now when the only Top 10 ranked opponents he's ever faced is STILL Bermane Stiverne?

At least he'll have fought him twice by then...in all likelihood...although he's not Top 10 anymore for the 2nd fight.

gilgamesh wrote:

Best Coast wrote: Dont think you are one of the ones blaming the victim though many here are.

But the PED dependence of guys like Povetkin & Ortiz sure are enhancing Wilder's do-nothing agenda!!

It's definitely frustrating, and it annoys me that we'll still keep hearing the names Povetkin and Ortiz for a while. Once guys blow a big fight like this by pissing hot I'd prefer they just f*ck off, and never come back. Especially once they've popped hot more than once...which both Ortiz and Povetkin have.

x2x wrote: Nobody even alleges that Povetkin was taking steroids, just a microscopic amount of some nothing drug like a vitamin or something that was perfectly legal until recently, and all this, of course, according to some phony shelter doctor in Las Vegas.

I was solidly built too since I've been heavily into strength and fitness since I was a teenager, but I] naturally got bigger as I got older. That is what happens. It is quite normal. Nothing to do with drugs.

KiwiRider wrote:

x2x wrote: Nobody even alleges that Povetkin was taking steroids, just a microscopic amount of some nothing drug like a vitamin or something that was perfectly legal until recently, and all this, of course, according to some phony shelter doctor in Las Vegas.

I was solidly built too since I've been heavily into strength and fitness since I was a teenager, but I] naturally got bigger as I got older. That is what happens. It is quite normal. Nothing to do with drugs.

Yeah, that's PIES not PEDS

BitPlayer wrote:

digzee wrote:He says "you was just at the hospital putting IV's in your system trying to flush that poo, that's why you didn't make it to the press conference, we was on it" so he admits he knew Oritz was still on PED's but was still going along with this charade like the fight was gonna happen. Embarrassing, its like when a kid at school pokes his tongue out to another kid then runs to the teacher so the other kid cant get him.

Terrible analogy.

Wilder is not to blame for Ortiz taking PEDs.

Badhusker wrote:I am amazed the amount of idiots that blame Wilder for an opponent failing a drug test. A true sign of stupidity.