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keithmoonhangover wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:
A marine that avoided all punishment for refusing orders, who then goes on to become a professional boxer, who fights lots of contenders and the odd world champion and holds his own with most of them, while mixing with legends of sports. Why is there not a movie about Kalan?

Don't forget his world class strength, people at his gym who lifted more than current world records, and the special theater in Chicago that showed film of fights that weren't filmed!

Is he a secret bear puncher?

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2015/05/01 ... e-his-dog/

Good find, though the bear wasn't instantly killed by one punch so that can't be kalan.

punchoutsb wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:So this was when exactly? 66?

Come on man, the poor guy is hyperventilating trying to google everything he can to formulate a response that avoids your question but brings up several famous events around the same time. Cut him some slack!

He at least should have pretended to be in the Coast Guard.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:So this was when exactly? 66?

Come on man, the poor guy is hyperventilating trying to google everything he can to formulate a response that avoids your question but brings up several famous events around the same time. Cut him some slack!

He at least should have pretended to be in the Coast Guard.

He was a coast guard while he was a ghost writer for Ernest Hemingway, a stunt double for Burt Reynolds, goalkeeper for Man Utd, CIA operative, first drummer for the Rolling Stones and all of this with cock like John Holmes.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Come on man, the poor guy is hyperventilating trying to google everything he can to formulate a response that avoids your question but brings up several famous events around the same time. Cut him some slack!

He at least should have pretended to be in the Coast Guard.

He was a coast guard while he was a ghost writer for Ernest Hemingway, a stunt double for Burt Reynolds, goalkeeper for Man Utd, CIA operative, first drummer for the Rolling Stones and all of this with cock like John Holmes.

John Holmes once said to him..."Thank God you're busy in the marines, Boxing, philanthropy and swallowing Wilt or I'd be out of a job!"

Kalan wrote:

APerno wrote:I respect everything you just wrote and I am not being cheeky with you when I say that. But when you say your reasons are based solely on moral . . . grounds you can't say things like: "World War II is one I would enthusiastically have gotten behind." Statements like that make you ineligible for CO status ... Look at the whole Ali situation, the Supreme Court held back his exoneration based the argument that he would have fought in a holy war. That statement alone kept him from receiving CO status. You can't say you would fight in WWII but not VN. That is a political statement.

It has nothing to do with politics. I'm a very conservative pro-life Democrat politically. The power to go to war is like the use of a gun. You can legally buy devises to fully automate rifles to fire hundreds of shots at the pull of a trigger and mow down hundreds of concert goers from your perch 38 stories up where you just broke your hotel window out and are ready to swing into action for whatever demented reasons you have.

Alternatively, a stunningly attractive young woman might buy a gun, go to a firing range and target practice until she becomes a very fast and accurate shooter. Learn how to load and unload it very quickly. Learn how to safely store and maintain the weapon -- all to give her peace of mind in case a maniac breaks into her home at night, intent on sexual assault. She can fend him off by threatening to shoot him, wound him, or if necessary, kill him, ending the danger to her life. She will most likely never have to use her weapon, but it gives her peace of mind -- as does having a strong military.

If you join the military as a kid you believe in it. You have no religious beliefs that military service or self-defense is contrary to the law of God.

If you have the ability to defend yourself and are confident you can beat just about anybody in a street fight – it doesn't mean it’s honorable to go around with a chip on your shoulder, acting tough, and spoiling for a fight – so you eventually get the opportunity to beat up some punk. That would be extremely immoral.

The same for a country flexing its military might against a weak adversary such as North Viet Nam or Iraq – though we knew potentially thousands of Americans would die and maybe millions of Vietnamese and Iraqis. We knew the war will be on their turf and our families of the folks ordering the action would be safe. Then the president who ordered this “military action” can don a flight jacket as Commander in Chief, board a warship and make a self-aggrandizing speech a week later about our swift and decisive military victory -- in a war which then dragged on for years.

Everybody loves a fight and beating an adversary – that’s part of wicked human nature. Just like being a sexual predator is a great temptation for men and women alike. The hard part is listening to our better angles and behaving ourselves. When I talked to those hardened military men I knew I was getting to them. Killing people for no good reason is wrong. Everyone instinctively knows this – just as they know cheating on their wife or husband is wrong. That’s why they do it in secret. But some folks think it’s manly to cheat on you wife – otherwise Trump wouldn’t be prez.

I was unaware that you were a fighter. I understand your desire for anonymity, but could you share some fight anecdotes without facts? Have you ever been stopped? What is it like? That sort of thing!

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:

APerno wrote:I respect everything you just wrote and I am not being cheeky with you when I say that. But when you say your reasons are based solely on moral . . . grounds you can't say things like: "World War II is one I would enthusiastically have gotten behind." Statements like that make you ineligible for CO status ... Look at the whole Ali situation, the Supreme Court held back his exoneration based the argument that he would have fought in a holy war. That statement alone kept him from receiving CO status. You can't say you would fight in WWII but not VN. That is a political statement.

It has nothing to do with politics. I'm a very conservative pro-life Democrat politically. The power to go to war is like the use of a gun. You can legally buy devises to fully automate rifles to fire hundreds of shots at the pull of a trigger and mow down hundreds of concert goers from your perch 38 stories up where you just broke your hotel window out and are ready to swing into action for whatever demented reasons you have.

Alternatively, a stunningly attractive young woman might buy a gun, go to a firing range and target practice until she becomes a very fast and accurate shooter. Learn how to load and unload it very quickly. Learn how to safely store and maintain the weapon -- all to give her peace of mind in case a maniac breaks into her home at night, intent on sexual assault. She can fend him off by threatening to shoot him, wound him, or if necessary, kill him, ending the danger to her life. She will most likely never have to use her weapon, but it gives her peace of mind -- as does having a strong military.

If you join the military as a kid you believe in it. You have no religious beliefs that military service or self-defense is contrary to the law of God.

If you have the ability to defend yourself and are confident you can beat just about anybody in a street fight – it doesn't mean it’s honorable to go around with a chip on your shoulder, acting tough, and spoiling for a fight – so you eventually get the opportunity to beat up some punk. That would be extremely immoral.

The same for a country flexing its military might against a weak adversary such as North Viet Nam or Iraq – though we knew potentially thousands of Americans would die and maybe millions of Vietnamese and Iraqis. We knew the war will be on their turf and our families of the folks ordering the action would be safe. Then the president who ordered this “military action” can don a flight jacket as Commander in Chief, board a warship and make a self-aggrandizing speech a week later about our swift and decisive military victory -- in a war which then dragged on for years.

Everybody loves a fight and beating an adversary – that’s part of wicked human nature. Just like being a sexual predator is a great temptation for men and women alike. The hard part is listening to our better angles and behaving ourselves. When I talked to those hardened military men I knew I was getting to them. Killing people for no good reason is wrong. Everyone instinctively knows this – just as they know cheating on their wife or husband is wrong. That’s why they do it in secret. But some folks think it’s manly to cheat on you wife – otherwise Trump wouldn’t be prez.

I was unaware that you were a fighter. I understand your desire for anonymity, but could you share some fight anecdotes without facts? Have you ever been stopped? What is it like? That sort of thing!

I'm afraid he's a fraud and his anecdotes have thus far been unbelievable and often impossible, though amusing.

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:

APerno wrote:I respect everything you just wrote and I am not being cheeky with you when I say that. But when you say your reasons are based solely on moral . . . grounds you can't say things like: "World War II is one I would enthusiastically have gotten behind." Statements like that make you ineligible for CO status ... Look at the whole Ali situation, the Supreme Court held back his exoneration based the argument that he would have fought in a holy war. That statement alone kept him from receiving CO status. You can't say you would fight in WWII but not VN. That is a political statement.

It has nothing to do with politics. I'm a very conservative pro-life Democrat politically. The power to go to war is like the use of a gun. You can legally buy devises to fully automate rifles to fire hundreds of shots at the pull of a trigger and mow down hundreds of concert goers from your perch 38 stories up where you just broke your hotel window out and are ready to swing into action for whatever demented reasons you have.

Alternatively, a stunningly attractive young woman might buy a gun, go to a firing range and target practice until she becomes a very fast and accurate shooter. Learn how to load and unload it very quickly. Learn how to safely store and maintain the weapon -- all to give her peace of mind in case a maniac breaks into her home at night, intent on sexual assault. She can fend him off by threatening to shoot him, wound him, or if necessary, kill him, ending the danger to her life. She will most likely never have to use her weapon, but it gives her peace of mind -- as does having a strong military.

If you join the military as a kid you believe in it. You have no religious beliefs that military service or self-defense is contrary to the law of God.

If you have the ability to defend yourself and are confident you can beat just about anybody in a street fight – it doesn't mean it’s honorable to go around with a chip on your shoulder, acting tough, and spoiling for a fight – so you eventually get the opportunity to beat up some punk. That would be extremely immoral.

The same for a country flexing its military might against a weak adversary such as North Viet Nam or Iraq – though we knew potentially thousands of Americans would die and maybe millions of Vietnamese and Iraqis. We knew the war will be on their turf and our families of the folks ordering the action would be safe. Then the president who ordered this “military action” can don a flight jacket as Commander in Chief, board a warship and make a self-aggrandizing speech a week later about our swift and decisive military victory -- in a war which then dragged on for years.

Everybody loves a fight and beating an adversary – that’s part of wicked human nature. Just like being a sexual predator is a great temptation for men and women alike. The hard part is listening to our better angles and behaving ourselves. When I talked to those hardened military men I knew I was getting to them. Killing people for no good reason is wrong. Everyone instinctively knows this – just as they know cheating on their wife or husband is wrong. That’s why they do it in secret. But some folks think it’s manly to cheat on you wife – otherwise Trump wouldn’t be prez.

I was unaware that you were a fighter. I understand your desire for anonymity, but could you share some fight anecdotes without facts? Have you ever been stopped? What is it like? That sort of thing!

He shares, benitez and Whitaker we're easy to hit and hagler couldn't box very well. That's why Marvin ducked Graham.

APerno wrote:I was unaware that you were a fighter. I understand your desire for anonymity, but could you share some fight anecdotes without facts? Have you ever been stopped? What is it like? That sort of thing!

I was never stopped. It's fun if you can get sparring and fights. If not it's a pain in the ass.

Here's an anecdote from a few fights into my amateur career when I boxed a pro Heavyweight ranked 9th who was 20-0.. That might seem like a high ranking but his unbeaten record was fluff and he was a poor boxer and puncher. He was boxing an exhibition sparring match in a major hotel parking lot to hype an upcoming fight. I drove over with a couple buds to watch the open-air sparring. His sparring partner didn't show.

Another boxer who was on the card was sparring when I felt a hand on my shoulder. It was the Heavyweight's manager. He pleaded with me to fill in and do the sparring with his boy. I said Hell no...I don't have any experience and can't box well enough to box any pro.. He said his kid would take it easy. I said I don't have my sparring gear. He said they had plenty of gear for me. I was wearing regular sport shoes so I wore those. I put on a cup that didn't feel real snug, a pair of trunks I would toss if they were mine. The wraps were a bulky and stiff -- the kind I would never use, and the only sparring gloves they had were pillows that weighed 23 oz each. The mouth piece was a "fits all" rubber one that you had to bite to keep it in. The headgear they had was too small so I went minus headgear. I was very uncomfortable and very angry at myself for agreeing to do this.

I get up in the ring and the idiot manager gets on the microphone in a booming voice -- and introduces me to the crowd as the world's hardest punching Heavyweight to a tremendous ovation...which embarrassed me to death and pissed his fighter off to no end.. The manager saw me clock a couple rank amateurs and thought I could punch. I was ready to strangle him. Anyway, the first round starts and I feint a jab. He bites on the feint and I rip a quick hook around his guard that stuns and staggers him. This happens 5 seconds in. Now the pro is really pissed off and calls me a MFer and other choice names. Then he clobbers me all over the ring as the crowd roars approval.. All I do is concentrate on defense for the duration of the round.

At the bell I go to the corner and the father of a local pro jumps up on the ring apron and starts cursing me out.. "You're letting him punch the Hell out of you. WTF is wrong with you idiot??? He's trying to knock you out. You're stronger than him. Get out there and tear his head off."

I wasn't too sure. I thought going to war would piss him off even more. But we start the second round and he starts clobbering me around again and the guy at ringside is screaming bloody murder at me to punch. Anyway, one of his punches pissed me the Hell off, so I follow this guy's instructions. I drive straight at him and start throwing hard combinations. The punches bite into him and a left hook floors him hard. The crowd is cheering like it's a regular fight. He struggles to get up and they jump in and grab him. His manager jumps in the ring with a mic and tells the crowd it's over and they'll see more action like this at the fight.

The next day they have another open air workout and I show up with all my gear just in case they need me again... They ignore me and they have the guy who was supposed to show the day before.. They have the tamest looking sparring session I've ever seen in my life.. The crowd booed.

Kalan wrote:

APerno wrote:I was unaware that you were a fighter. I understand your desire for anonymity, but could you share some fight anecdotes without facts? Have you ever been stopped? What is it like? That sort of thing!

I was never stopped. It's fun if you can get sparring and fights. If not it's a pain in the ass.

Here's an anecdote from a few fights into my amateur career when I boxed a pro Heavyweight ranked 9th who was 20-0.. That might seem like a high ranking but his unbeaten record was fluff and he was a poor boxer and puncher. He was boxing an exhibition sparring match in a major hotel parking lot to hype an upcoming fight. I drove over with a couple buds to watch the open-air sparring. His sparring partner didn't show.

Another boxer who was on the card was sparring when I felt a hand on my shoulder. It was the Heavyweight's manager. He pleaded with me to fill in and do the sparring with his boy. I said Hell no...I don't have any experience and can't box well enough to box any pro.. He said his kid would take it easy. I said I don't have my sparring gear. He said they had plenty of gear for me. I was wearing regular sport shoes so I wore those. I put on a cup that didn't feel real snug, a pair of trunks I would toss if they were mine. The wraps were a bulky and stiff -- the kind I would never use, and the only sparring gloves they had were pillows that weighed 23 oz each. The mouth piece was a "fits all" rubber one that you had to bite to keep it in. The headgear they had was too small so I went minus headgear. I was very uncomfortable and very angry at myself for agreeing to do this.

I get up in the ring and the idiot manager gets on the microphone in a booming voice -- and introduces me to the crowd as the world's hardest punching Heavyweight to a tremendous ovation...which embarrassed me to death and pissed his fighter off to no end.. The manager saw me clock a couple rank amateurs and thought I could punch. I was ready to strangle him. Anyway, the first round starts and I feint a jab. He bites on the feint and I rip a quick hook around his guard that stuns and staggers him. This happens 5 seconds in. Now the pro is really pissed off and calls me a MFer and other choice names. Then he clobbers me all over the ring as the crowd roars approval.. All I do is concentrate on defense for the duration of the round.

At the bell I go to the corner and the father of a local pro jumps up on the ring apron and starts cursing me out.. "You're letting him punch the Hell out of you. WTF is wrong with you idiot??? He's trying to knock you out. You're stronger than him. Get out there and tear his head off."

I wasn't too sure. I thought going to war would piss him off even more. But we start the second round and he starts clobbering me around again and the guy at ringside is screaming bloody murder at me to punch. Anyway, one of his punches pissed me the Hell off, so I follow this guy's instructions. I drive straight at him and start throwing hard combinations. The punches bite into him and a left hook floors him hard. The crowd is cheering like it's a regular fight. He struggles to get up and they jump in and grab him. His manager jumps in the ring with a mic and tells the crowd it's over and they'll see more action like this at the fight.

The next day they have another open air workout and I show up with all my gear just in case they need me again... They ignore me and they have the guy who was supposed to show the day before.. They have the tamest looking sparring session I've ever seen in my life.. The crowd booed.

Did you ever tangle with Philo Beddoe?

Kalan wrote:
Here's an anecdote from a few fights into my amateur career when I boxed a pro Heavyweight ranked 9th who was 20-0.. That might seem like a high ranking but his unbeaten record was fluff and he was a poor boxer and puncher. He was boxing an exhibition sparring match in a major hotel parking lot to hype an upcoming fight.

Interesting, who was this fighter then?

Not Philo Beddoe... This is a guy whose name you would recognize.

He hit me a ton when he was swinging full bore, which I didn't expect anyone to be able to do, though I had only 3 or 4 amateur fights then. I would watch top pros, trying to understand what they were doing. Then I did hours of shadow boxing imagining punches coming from every direction copying their technique. I thought I had it. I didn't know the coaching I had was 2nd rate. I didn't realize I had my head in the air and my stance was all messed up until a top coach took about 30 minutes with me when I met him in a hotel. He put me in a stance and explained a lot of things to me and that was the best lesson I ever had.

Kalan wrote:Not Philo Beddoe... This is a guy whose name you would recognize.

He hit me a ton when he was swinging full bore, which I didn't expect anyone to be able to do, though I had only 3 or 4 amateur fights then. I would watch top pros, trying to understand what they were doing. Then I did hours of shadow boxing imagining punches coming from every direction copying their technique. I thought I had it. I didn't know the coaching I had was 2nd rate. I didn't realize I had my head in the air and my stance was all messed up until a top coach took about 30 minutes with me when I met him in a hotel. He put me in a stance and explained a lot of things to me and that was the best lesson I ever had.

Tom McNeeley?

Kalan wrote:Not Philo Beddoe... This is a guy whose name you would recognize.

He hit me a ton when he was swinging full bore, which I didn't expect anyone to be able to do, though I had only 3 or 4 amateur fights then. I would watch top pros, trying to understand what they were doing. Then I did hours of shadow boxing imagining punches coming from every direction copying their technique. I thought I had it. I didn't know the coaching I had was 2nd rate. I didn't realize I had my head in the air and my stance was all messed up until a top coach took about 30 minutes with me when I met him in a hotel. He put me in a stance and explained a lot of things to me and that was the best lesson I ever had.

Did you box professionally at HW or LHW?

HW. I was over 200 pounds when I was 16.

Tell us about the time you bounced fat and weak Frazier off the canvas like a ball.

Kalan wrote:HW. I was over 200 pounds when I was 16.

When would you say you were at your peak?

I understand that records can be misleading, but I have to say, this guy was a top 10 contender whose name we would recognize. Meanwhile, you had 3 or 4 amateur fights and, by your own admission, still had some basic boxing fundamentals that could be taught to you. Yet, you took all he had to offer and came back and dropped him hard all in under two rounds (really one since you took the first round off to focus on defense). I would submit that there are quite a few guys in Canastota who could not have done what you did.

It sounds like you had the kind of natural ability to have been one of the greatest fighters of a generation potentially. I am assuming that you chose a different path, but surely that must cross your mind? I can't imagine what that must feel like. I mean, with some training, you could have been fighting and beating the best! That may sound like an overstatement, but you got pissed and pounded a top 10 guy when you had little to no training..amazing.

https://youtu.be/wz6YMrJt7xk

jas80s wrote: I can't imagine what that must feel like. I mean, with some training, you could have been fighting and beating the best!

It's okay... Because all of us screw our dreams up more or less -- and come in a day late or a dollar short. I'm sure you "could've been" something as well.

Kalan wrote:

jas80s wrote: I can't imagine what that must feel like. I mean, with some training, you could have been fighting and beating the best!

It's okay... Because all of us screw our dreams up more or less -- and come in a day late or a dollar short. I'm sure you "could've been" something as well.

Not really, I am just an average guy. I was not blessed with the kind of talent that would have allowed me to be among the best in the world at something, so no real regrets here. Most people can only dream of being among the best at something and to have passed on it, or have been denied the chance to do it, is a tragedy. But, it sounds like you are at peace with it, so that's good.

Controversial wrote:

Kalan wrote:Not Philo Beddoe... This is a guy whose name you would recognize.

He hit me a ton when he was swinging full bore, which I didn't expect anyone to be able to do, though I had only 3 or 4 amateur fights then. I would watch top pros, trying to understand what they were doing. Then I did hours of shadow boxing imagining punches coming from every direction copying their technique. I thought I had it. I didn't know the coaching I had was 2nd rate. I didn't realize I had my head in the air and my stance was all messed up until a top coach took about 30 minutes with me when I met him in a hotel. He put me in a stance and explained a lot of things to me and that was the best lesson I ever had.

Tom McNeeley?

McNeeley is gone.. A 50's fighter.. He weighed 197 for Patterson -- so a Cruiser. He wasn't fast. He probably got the most out of his limited potential.

Kalan wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Kalan wrote:Not Philo Beddoe... This is a guy whose name you would recognize.

He hit me a ton when he was swinging full bore, which I didn't expect anyone to be able to do, though I had only 3 or 4 amateur fights then. I would watch top pros, trying to understand what they were doing. Then I did hours of shadow boxing imagining punches coming from every direction copying their technique. I thought I had it. I didn't know the coaching I had was 2nd rate. I didn't realize I had my head in the air and my stance was all messed up until a top coach took about 30 minutes with me when I met him in a hotel. He put me in a stance and explained a lot of things to me and that was the best lesson I ever had.

Tom McNeeley?

McNeeley is gone.. A 50's fighter.. He weighed 197 for Patterson -- so a Cruiser. He wasn't fast. He probably got the most out of his limited potential.

He fought mainly in the 60s and there was no CW division, I take it thats the era you are referring to?

More the 70's... I got a late start. I was involved with other sports as a youngster. I always liked boxing, but as a spectator. I figured you got hit in the head a lot and didn’t appreciated the science behind it until I tried it as a lark. But it actually takes a world level coach to open your eyes to the possibilities of the sport, and for most boxers that probably doesn’t happen.

Kalan wrote:More the 70's... I got a late start. I was involved with other sports as a youngster. I always liked boxing, but as a spectator. I figured you got hit in the head a lot and didn’t appreciated the science behind it until I tried it as a lark. But it actually takes a world level coach to open your eyes to the possibilities of the sport, and for most boxers that probably doesn’t happen.

Johnny Boudreaux ?

Could he hit? ... BTW...his fight with George Foreman is never listed. That was supposed to be a real fight I believe. George stopped him.