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Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:04
by mickey1975
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:02
Why do so many people care what tyson, or anyone for that matter, does?
It's like they're old bill, or grasses
It's killing people!
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:06
by Mighty Atom
Should point out the Board of Control and WADA have a right to take this to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland to extend the ban if they want to.
BBOC won't, outside chance WADA might
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:09
by Andrew
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 15:37
Naandrew wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 14:29
Here is the actual decision.
https://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/ ... e_Fury.pdf
As I've said all along UKAD are not fit for purpose there needs to be serious investigations into how they operate.
The 16 months delay in charging them for the doping violation still hasn't been explained and that is ultimately why Tyson has been cleared of refusing a drugs test and why the case has ended in a compromise . I expecting him to be banned for the refusal and cleared for the Nandrolone.
People can celebrate about Fury coming back but Tyson and Hughie are now convicted drugs cheats.
Whyte and Ortiz are convicted drug cheats, AJ a convicted drug dealer, even Wilder was caught with drugs in the car.
Tyson never knowingly took anything illegal.
True re Whyte and Ortiz ( the Whyte case is a bit different but that's not the point)
Mentioning AJ and Wilder in this context is irrelevant.
Nandrolone is a banned PED which some well known athletes have popped for previously.
Did Tyson take it intentionally ? We don't know. UKAD definitely don't know that's why this situation has been a shambles from start to finish.
But the fact is they came to a compromise and Tyson and Hughie served bans as a result of testing positive for a banned substance.
This means they are both convicted drug cheats.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:10
by Andrew
SteveO wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:03
SteveO wrote: ↑07 Dec 2017, 15:45
My guess: A two year ban (already served) and reinstatement of his boxing licence.
You read it here first
Fairplay.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:12
by Oiky
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:04
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:02
Why do so many people care what tyson, or anyone for that matter, does?
It's like they're old bill, or grasses
It's killing people!
It is
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:13
by samwbr
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:02
Why do so many people care what tyson, or anyone for that matter, does?
It's like they're old bill, or grasses
He's apparently a professional athlete in a sport they are interested in and he's just admittited to be being a drugs cheat. Why do you think they are?
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:25
by Oiky
samwbr wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:13
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:02
Why do so many people care what tyson, or anyone for that matter, does?
It's like they're old bill, or grasses
He's apparently a professional athlete in a sport they are interested in and he's just admittited to be being a drugs cheat. Why do you think they are?
So what's that got to do with tax & other things people bring up re Tyson ?
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:27
by samwbr
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:25
samwbr wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:13
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:02
Why do so many people care what tyson, or anyone for that matter, does?
It's like they're old bill, or grasses
He's apparently a professional athlete in a sport they are interested in and he's just admittited to be being a drugs cheat. Why do you think they are?
So what's that got to do with tax & other things people bring up re Tyson ?
Virtually everyone in this thread is discussing the subject matter.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:29
by dirk2686
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 15:47
Nearly as stupid as a poster who called Tyson a fat bastard who couldn't be bothered to defend himself only yesterday? Whilst Tysons lawyers had already sorted the deal out
Well, he's now a fat bastard and a convicted drug cheat.
As a big Tyson fan, I wonder why you're celebrating this. He could have been found innocent of all charges. Indeed, many said that would happen and UKAD were facing bankruptcy. Instead he's now a two year banned drug cheat. It casts a huge shadow over his career.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:30
by mickey1975
Naandrew wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:09
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 15:37
Naandrew wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 14:29
Here is the actual decision.
https://www.ukad.org.uk/assets/uploads/ ... e_Fury.pdf
As I've said all along UKAD are not fit for purpose there needs to be serious investigations into how they operate.
The 16 months delay in charging them for the doping violation still hasn't been explained and that is ultimately why Tyson has been cleared of refusing a drugs test and why the case has ended in a compromise . I expecting him to be banned for the refusal and cleared for the Nandrolone.
People can celebrate about Fury coming back but Tyson and Hughie are now convicted drugs cheats.
Whyte and Ortiz are convicted drug cheats, AJ a convicted drug dealer, even Wilder was caught with drugs in the car.
Tyson never knowingly took anything illegal.
True re Whyte and Ortiz ( the Whyte case is a bit different but that's not the point)
Mentioning AJ and Wilder in this context is irrelevant.
Nandrolone is a banned PED which some well known athletes have popped for previously.
Did Tyson take it intentionally ? We don't know. UKAD definitely don't know that's why this situation has been a shambles from start to finish.
But the fact is they came to a compromise and Tyson and Hughie served bans as a result of testing positive for a banned substance.
This means they are both convicted drug cheats.
In a court of law, someone supplying drugs (AJ) would get a much harsher penalty than someone taking them...
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:31
by mickey1975
dirk2686 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:29
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 15:47
Nearly as stupid as a poster who called Tyson a fat bastard who couldn't be bothered to defend himself only yesterday? Whilst Tysons lawyers had already sorted the deal out
Well, he's now a fat bastard and a convicted drug cheat.
As a big Tyson fan, I wonder why you're celebrating this. He could have been found innocent of all charges. Indeed, many said that would happen and UKAD were facing bankruptcy. Instead he's now a two year banned drug cheat. It casts a huge shadow over his career.
Does it? Nobody mentions it when Whyte boxes or the countless others are discussed from RJJ to Holyfield.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:32
by mickey1975
dirk2686 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:29
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 15:47
Nearly as stupid as a poster who called Tyson a fat bastard who couldn't be bothered to defend himself only yesterday? Whilst Tysons lawyers had already sorted the deal out
Well, he's now a fat bastard and a convicted drug cheat.
As a big Tyson fan, I wonder why you're celebrating this. He could have been found innocent of all charges. Indeed, many said that would happen and UKAD were facing bankruptcy. Instead he's now a two year banned drug cheat. It casts a huge shadow over his career.
He's now a big fat former undefeated heavyweight champion bastard free to go earn millions of pounds.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:34
by dirk2686
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:30
Naandrew wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:09
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 15:37
Whyte and Ortiz are convicted drug cheats, AJ a convicted drug dealer, even Wilder was caught with drugs in the car.
Tyson never knowingly took anything illegal.
True re Whyte and Ortiz ( the Whyte case is a bit different but that's not the point)
Mentioning AJ and Wilder in this context is irrelevant.
Nandrolone is a banned PED which some well known athletes have popped for previously.
Did Tyson take it intentionally ? We don't know. UKAD definitely don't know that's why this situation has been a shambles from start to finish.
But the fact is they came to a compromise and Tyson and Hughie served bans as a result of testing positive for a banned substance.
This means they are both convicted drug cheats.
In a court of law, someone supplying drugs (AJ) would get a much harsher penalty than someone taking them...
Most people think AJ shouldn't have been guilty of a crime in fairness.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:36
by mickey1975
Who's was the bud in his boot, then?
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:40
by mickey1975
AJ pleaded guilty, was suspended from the Olympic team and got community service! Who thought he was innocent? He admits everything in every interview I've ever seen with him on the subject!
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:42
by Oiky
samwbr wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:27
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:25
samwbr wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:13
He's apparently a professional athlete in a sport they are interested in and he's just admittited to be being a drugs cheat. Why do you think they are?
So what's that got to do with tax & other things people bring up re Tyson ?
Virtually everyone in this thread is discussing the subject matter.
Literally a few posts up someone mentioned tax
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:52
by samwbr
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:42
samwbr wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:27
Oiky wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:25
So what's that got to do with tax & other things people bring up re Tyson ?
Virtually everyone in this thread is discussing the subject matter.
Literally a few posts up someone mentioned tax
So 1 person then. And that was a crap attempt at a joke.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 16:59
by Andrew
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:30
Naandrew wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:09
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 15:37
Whyte and Ortiz are convicted drug cheats, AJ a convicted drug dealer, even Wilder was caught with drugs in the car.
Tyson never knowingly took anything illegal.
True re Whyte and Ortiz ( the Whyte case is a bit different but that's not the point)
Mentioning AJ and Wilder in this context is irrelevant.
Nandrolone is a banned PED which some well known athletes have popped for previously.
Did Tyson take it intentionally ? We don't know. UKAD definitely don't know that's why this situation has been a shambles from start to finish.
But the fact is they came to a compromise and Tyson and Hughie served bans as a result of testing positive for a banned substance.
This means they are both convicted drug cheats.
In a court of law, someone supplying drugs (AJ) would get a much harsher penalty than someone taking them...
This case has nothing to do with AJ.
I'm glad its over. Fury fights again next year and UKAD prove how much of a joke they are. People will just sweep this under the rug when he fights Joshua anyway.
But no matter how anyone looks at it they have served bans for testing positive for a banned substance.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 17:02
by mickey1975
And as I keep saying... Sky never mentioned neither Whyte or Joshua's notorious drug pasts when hyping their fight, despite one serving a ban, the other a court punishment. Poor Tyson has done his time.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 17:08
by dirk2686
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:40
AJ pleaded guilty, was suspended from the Olympic team and got community service! Who thought he was innocent? He admits everything in every interview I've ever seen with him on the subject!
They think it shouldn't have been a crime in the first place.
You know a few things about alcohol Mick. If that was illegal Joshua would have been don for the equivalent of having a few bottles of wine in his car. Hey ho.
Tyson has admitted to a PED violation and accepted a two year ban.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 17:10
by samwbr
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 17:02
And as I keep saying... Sky never mentioned neither Whyte or Joshua's notorious drug pasts when hyping their fight, despite one serving a ban, the other a court punishment. Poor Tyson has done his time.
Whytes ban has been mentioned loads of times. And they have put Joshua's back story front right and centre numerous times. It might not fit your narrative but they have.
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 17:16
by lillywhite14
It’s a shame he isn’t fighting the conviction but I guess that means more time and effort etc
Whyte’s ban does get mentioned, but then again he’s not particularly relevant when we are talking about world class heavyweights.
Holyfield and RJJ are forever tainted and both were clear juicers, in eyes of many boxing fans anyway.
This’ll be brought up more than the others, especially when you take in to account how unpopular Tyson is in the media
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 17:23
by coneye
So now there superfight , can be billed as the reformed drug taker in the batman outfit , Wants to do a number on the former drug dealer Mr Humble .
There gonna make a movie out of this one , definetly got some good characters .
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 17:24
by mickey1975
dirk2686 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 17:08
mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 16:40
AJ pleaded guilty, was suspended from the Olympic team and got community service! Who thought he was innocent? He admits everything in every interview I've ever seen with him on the subject!
They think it shouldn't have been a crime in the first place.
You know a few things about alcohol Mick. If that was illegal Joshua would have been don for the equivalent of having a few bottles of wine in his car. Hey ho.
Tyson has admitted to a PED violation and accepted a two year ban.
Ok... I know a lot more about possession with intent to supply of cannabis, and I think it was a 9 he got caught with, hardly equates to a few bottles of wine! The judge was friendlier than the ones he had in London 2012!
Re: Tyson Fury UKAD Hearing Starts Monday, Facing 4 Year Ban
Posted: 12 Dec 2017, 17:34
by Oiky
Yea people forget all that though about big josh