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Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:42

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:36

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:01
It wasn’t my comparison in the first place, TriggereDicky_. But, I think that it is a decent one. I don’t remember anyone comparing and contrasting their styles besides you.

You started this whole back and forth with a conscious misrepresentation of the facts that you doubled and tripled down on and then attempted to ignore / discard from the conversation. Not surprising given the news outlets you frequent and the politicians you idolize.

There is zero evidence that FMJ was 20 pounds heavier than JMM. He might have been as much as ten pounds heavier, which is in the neighborhood of how much heavier than Rigo Nomassiah was at fight time.

Both were dominating wins. Both were against very highly rated fighters, although Rigo was rated nowhere near as high P4P before the Nomassiah fight as JMM was v FMJ.

The main differences were that the size advantage was largely ignored / disregarded leading up to Nomassiah v Rigo, and Rigo was significantly overrated - especially in the heart department.

You are just being silly TriggereDicky_. Run along now and take out your frustrations on your fishbait watching other men have sex with women, little boy.

Lol at the weight difference being the same. Your eyes aren't what they used to be grampa. Another win for Ricky. Until next time

The weight difference was far closer to the same than FMJ was to 20 pounds heavier than JMM.

Your fantasies about winning are similar to those you derive from porn.

It's ok old chum, weight is something most boxing fans have no real understanding of, so your stupidity in this matter is common, it isn't anything new.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:53

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:42

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:36


Lol at the weight difference being the same. Your eyes aren't what they used to be grampa. Another win for Ricky. Until next time

The weight difference was far closer to the same than FMJ was to 20 pounds heavier than JMM.

Your fantasies about winning are similar to those you derive from porn.

It's ok old chum, weight is something most boxing fans have no real understanding of, so your stupidity in this matter is common, it isn't anything new.

What isn’t new is your ignorance of your original claim in a discussion. FMJ was nowhere near 20 pounds heavier than JMM on fight night. Salido is “a Mexican tear-up artist.” JMM was much more than that.

But, carry on claiming imaginary Ws. They are no more real on here than they are during the climax of your porn vids.

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 10:57

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:53

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:42
The weight difference was far closer to the same than FMJ was to 20 pounds heavier than JMM.

Your fantasies about winning are similar to those you derive from porn.

It's ok old chum, weight is something most boxing fans have no real understanding of, so your stupidity in this matter is common, it isn't anything new.

What isn’t new is your ignorance of your original claim in a discussion. FMJ was nowhere near 20 pounds heavier than JMM on fight night. Salido is “a Mexican tear-up artist.” JMM was much more than that.

But, carry on claiming imaginary Ws. They are no more real on here than they are during the climax of your porn vids.

Firstly, stop talking about porn in boxing threads, thats about 3 posts in a row now. Perhaps it's understandable that a man who probably hasn't been able to get an erection in a decade would develop an obsession with discussing pornography, but that subject matter is better left to the Off Topic subforum.

Here's Marquez in his fight previous to Floyd.



134.25 pounds.

28th February, 2009. (Only 6 months before Floyd).

Marquez is not only well inside the 135 limit, but he's softer than your penis. It was after all only his 2nd bout at 135 having campaigned most of his career 2 division below at featherweight.

Here is JMM at 142 for Floyd:



I've seen more definition in a bowl of custard.

Here's Floyd:



(Check out Marquez belly overhanging his shorts).

Floyd at this stage in his career was a fully fledged welterweight drying out to make the limit. Thankfully in his fight with Pacquiao it was revealed that Floyd had trouble making the 147 limit to the point he required illegal IV drips to rehydrate - dispelling all the rumours his fight weight was pretty much the same as his weigh-in weight (lol).

Floyd Mayweather vs Juan Manual Marquez was essentially a full sized Welterweight vs a Superfeatherweight - as at this stage in Marquez career a little road work and hot bath he would have made 130 with more ease than Floyd made 147 - evidenced by the fact that he weighed 133.5 in his very next fight.

The difference between Superfeather & Welter is 17 lb. Now even if the ring weight difference was closer to 10lb than you claim, that would simply be on account of Marquez being FAT. In terms of effective weight, it is easily in the vicinity of 20lb.

The fight was a FARCE and Marquez in 2009 would have been out his depth weight-wise vs any top welter, the very idea of a fat SuperFeather version of Marquez in with Cotto, Mosley or Margarito is absurd. Rigondeaux would beat most SuperFeathers despite losing to Lomachenko. I doubt Roman or Gamboa for instance would lay a glove on him.

As for Rigo vs Loma, RocNation placed a rehydration clause in the contract of 138lb, which Lomachenko met (Marquez had no such luxury and Floyd couldn't even meet the catchweight he proposed to make the farce).

Loma was 137 in the ring, only 7lb above the limit. Rigondeaux added no weight and boxed at 128.5lb (same as he scaled in the day before). Like i mentioned above, the weight was a factor, there is no denying, but 1 fighter rehydrating to gain a 9lb advantage is well within the realms of normality. You could pick any fight card from any weekend and you would find a size discrepency in that range in at least 1 of the bouts. It's part and parcel of the sport. It's not even close ex-LightMiddleweight World Chmpion Fraud Mayweather's insincere, cowardly, farcical cherrypick of a Featherweight for no other reason than satisfy fans he could beat Pacquiao, without facing Pacquiao.

i thought rigo was 130 fight night

jamamb wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 12:25 i thought rigo was 130 fight night

Perhaps, was a video blog i heard he was the same weight. Loma was inside the 138 rehydration limit though.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 12:27

jamamb wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 12:25 i thought rigo was 130 fight night

Perhaps, was a video blog i heard he was the same weight. Loma was inside the 138 rehydration limit though.

Rigo was 130 and Nomassiah was just under the rehydration limit the morning of fight day. That is a 7 plus pound difference with about 12 hours to go.

As far as FMJ v Pac goes, that was six years later and has zero bearing on what happened in 2009.

Throw up all the photos you like. JMM likely came into the fight somewhere between 142 and 145, and FMJ was likely around ten pounds heavier. That is not 20 pounds difference. It is about the same range of difference as Nomassiah and Rigo. The latter may have actually ended up being a larger percentage difference.

You are simply, unequivocally wrong.

Is it worth arguing over a few pounds?

The fact, here, is that the weight wouldn't have mattered even if Rigo had been the bigger guy. Loma was simply better everywhere. Rigo being even 10 lbs bigger would not have helped him. He couldn't deal with the speed and technical superiority of Loma.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 16:18 Is it worth arguing over a few pounds?

The fact, here, is that the weight wouldn't have mattered even if Rigo had been the bigger guy. Loma was simply better everywhere. Rigo being even 10 lbs bigger would not have helped him. He couldn't deal with the speed and technical superiority of Loma.

Indeed. But that's not the case of Floyd vs a jelly bellied featherweight version Marquez.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 17:41

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 16:18 Is it worth arguing over a few pounds?

The fact, here, is that the weight wouldn't have mattered even if Rigo had been the bigger guy. Loma was simply better everywhere. Rigo being even 10 lbs bigger would not have helped him. He couldn't deal with the speed and technical superiority of Loma.

Indeed. But that's not the case of Floyd vs a jelly bellied featherweight version Marquez.

Yes it is. Even JMM admitted as much.

Bottum line. Floyd and loma are both special and at there prime complet boxer with close to 0 weaknesses.

I watched mayweather against chavez and castillo and floyd while being in his prime lost 4 out of 9 rds before chavez quit and castillo beat him. All i am saying is floyd in his prime was beatable. Loma in his prime looks unbeatable. Rarly lost 1 single rd in the last 2 years against strong opponents like walthers or sosa. Now beating a 2 time olympic gold medalist like he was some b level opponent. I mean the footwork stamina punch variation, sky is the limit for loma...

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:53

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:42

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:36


Lol at the weight difference being the same. Your eyes aren't what they used to be grampa. Another win for Ricky. Until next time

The weight difference was far closer to the same than FMJ was to 20 pounds heavier than JMM.

Your fantasies about winning are similar to those you derive from porn.

It's ok old chum, weight is something most boxing fans have no real understanding of, so your stupidity in this matter is common, it isn't anything new.

Omg, Floyd was 20lbs heavier than JMM? JMM weighed in at 148 fight night. Floyd didn't weigh that night, but his highest reported weight fight night was 151. I really doubt if Floyd weighed 168. Jip, quit taking stupid pills. The weight that night had nothing to do with the result of that fight.

Badhusker wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 08:32

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:53

Tanzio wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:42
The weight difference was far closer to the same than FMJ was to 20 pounds heavier than JMM.

Your fantasies about winning are similar to those you derive from porn.

It's ok old chum, weight is something most boxing fans have no real understanding of, so your stupidity in this matter is common, it isn't anything new.

Omg, Floyd was 20lbs heavier than JMM? JMM weighed in at 148 fight night. Floyd didn't weigh that night, but his highest reported weight fight night was 151. I really doubt if Floyd weighed 168. Jip, quit taking stupid pills. The weight that night had nothing to do with the result of that fight.

Shutup brut you are absolutely clueless.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 09:32

Badhusker wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 08:32

Ricky_ wrote: ↑11 Dec 2017, 09:53

It's ok old chum, weight is something most boxing fans have no real understanding of, so your stupidity in this matter is common, it isn't anything new.

Omg, Floyd was 20lbs heavier than JMM? JMM weighed in at 148 fight night. Floyd didn't weigh that night, but his highest reported weight fight night was 151. I really doubt if Floyd weighed 168. Jip, quit taking stupid pills. The weight that night had nothing to do with the result of that fight.

Shutup brut you are absolutely clueless.

Says the most clueless, no game, coward on the board.

FMJ was nowhere near the twenty pounds heavier you claim. However, in true alt right fanny boy character, you just keep repeating the false information / lie in hopes that it will become the truth.

You are a pudendum and a liar.

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:04

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 09:32

Badhusker wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 08:32

Omg, Floyd was 20lbs heavier than JMM? JMM weighed in at 148 fight night. Floyd didn't weigh that night, but his highest reported weight fight night was 151. I really doubt if Floyd weighed 168. Jip, quit taking stupid pills. The weight that night had nothing to do with the result of that fight.

Shutup brut you are absolutely clueless.

Says the most clueless, no game, coward on the board.

FMJ was nowhere near the twenty pounds heavier you claim. However, in true alt right fanny boy character, you just keep repeating the false information / lie in hopes that it will become the truth.

You are a pudendum and a liar.

Well in that case you've convinced me, Floyd was only 3 pounds heavier than Marquez.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:08

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:04

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 09:32


Shutup brut you are absolutely clueless.

Says the most clueless, no game, coward on the board.

FMJ was nowhere near the twenty pounds heavier you claim. However, in true alt right fanny boy character, you just keep repeating the false information / lie in hopes that it will become the truth.

You are a pudendum and a liar.

Well in that case you've convinced me, Floyd was only 3 pounds heavier than Marquez.

Closer to the truth then your claim, by a large %.

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:14

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:08

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:04
Says the most clueless, no game, coward on the board.

FMJ was nowhere near the twenty pounds heavier you claim. However, in true alt right fanny boy character, you just keep repeating the false information / lie in hopes that it will become the truth.

You are a pudendum and a liar.

Well in that case you've convinced me, Floyd was only 3 pounds heavier than Marquez.

Closer to the truth then your claim, by a large %.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:19

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:14

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:08


Well in that case you've convinced me, Floyd was only 3 pounds heavier than Marquez.

Closer to the truth then your claim, by a large %.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You are embarrassing the entire board with your claim, TriggereDicky.

Go back into hiding in Offal Topic where you can get away with total fabrication of the truth because everyone knows how delusional you are.

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:25

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:19

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:14
Closer to the truth then your claim, by a large %.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You are embarrassing the entire board with your claim, TriggereDicky.

Go back into hiding in Offal Topic where you can get away with total fabrication of the truth because everyone knows how delusional you are.

Photographs don't lie. Anyone with a clue on the subject of weight, cutting & human anatomy know the massive difference in that farce of a bout. You don't, so stop posting.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:45

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:25

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:19

Stop embarrassing yourself.

You are embarrassing the entire board with your claim, TriggereDicky.

Go back into hiding in Offal Topic where you can get away with total fabrication of the truth because everyone knows how delusional you are.

Photographs don't lie. Anyone with a clue on the subject of weight, cutting & human anatomy know the massive difference in that farce of a bout. You don't, so stop posting.

You know precious little about boxing, or actual fighting, or photography, or much else in life.

Everyone (besides you) knows that photographs do not equate to actual weight. Utilizing them as evidence of your claim that FMJ was 20 pounds heavier than JMM on fight night is essentially an admission of defeat.

You are wrong, TriggereDicky_. You know you are wrong. All the real evidence points to you being wrong. Everyone on this board knows that you are wrong.

But, like your political hero, you lack the capacity to admit when you are wrong. You simply do not have the sac content.

There was no 20-pound weight difference, but the real difference was much higher that nominal. At 142, Marquez had a flabby belly. He was a 135-pounder fighting a 147-pounder also having a huge reach advantage. Size mismatch in that fight played much bigger role than in the Loma vs Rigo fight.

Back to the original topic.

Nomassiah has the potential to be an ATG or even a GOAT, but he has considerable distance to travel before arriving at either. To his credit, he understands what he must do to get there better than his fanboys.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 11:09 There was no 20-pound weight difference, but the real difference was much higher that nominal. At 142, Marquez had a flabby belly. He was a 135-pounder fighting a 147-pounder also having a huge reach advantage. Size mismatch in that fight played much bigger role than in the Loma vs Rigo fight.

Skill and gift mismatch played just as big a role in both fights. The real difference between the two fights is FMJ fought the tougher man.

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 11:00

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:45

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:25
You are embarrassing the entire board with your claim, TriggereDicky.

Go back into hiding in Offal Topic where you can get away with total fabrication of the truth because everyone knows how delusional you are.

Photographs don't lie. Anyone with a clue on the subject of weight, cutting & human anatomy know the massive difference in that farce of a bout. You don't, so stop posting.

You know precious little about boxing, or actual fighting, or photography, or much else in life.

Everyone (besides you) knows that photographs do not equate to actual weight. Utilizing them as evidence of your claim that FMJ was 20 pounds heavier than JMM on fight night is essentially an admission of defeat.

You are wrong, TriggereDicky_. You know you are wrong. All the real evidence points to you being wrong. Everyone on this board knows that you are wrong.

But, like your political hero, you lack the capacity to admit when you are wrong. You simply do not have the sac content.

Marquez, the man actually in the ring, claimed the weight difference to be around 20lb. I have superior knowledge of weight than you do, and a trained eye - i can confirm the combatants claim that 20lb is an accurate estimation. The 2 men being only 4lb apart on the scales the day before doesn't take into consideration conditioning. Mayweather doesn't have a wasted ounce on frame that had been expertly tailored to a 147 weight cut for around 4 years by 2009. Marquez was a man that could have made 126 in that very same training camp. For all intents and purposes this was a Welterweight vs a Featherweight. No amount of water & fat on Marquez' Featherweight frame changes that fact.

I've wasted far too much time trting to teach you a thing or 2 in this thread, if you still want to indulge in fantasy that FM vs JMM was a contest fought in the realms of fairness with regard to weight, by all means, as you were, you laughing stock.

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 11:14

Tanzio wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 11:00

Ricky_ wrote: ↑12 Dec 2017, 10:45


Photographs don't lie. Anyone with a clue on the subject of weight, cutting & human anatomy know the massive difference in that farce of a bout. You don't, so stop posting.

You know precious little about boxing, or actual fighting, or photography, or much else in life.

Everyone (besides you) knows that photographs do not equate to actual weight. Utilizing them as evidence of your claim that FMJ was 20 pounds heavier than JMM on fight night is essentially an admission of defeat.

You are wrong, TriggereDicky_. You know you are wrong. All the real evidence points to you being wrong. Everyone on this board knows that you are wrong.

But, like your political hero, you lack the capacity to admit when you are wrong. You simply do not have the sac content.

Marquez, the man actually in the ring, claimed the weight difference to be around 20lb. I have superior knowledge of weight than you do, and a trained eye - i can confirm the combatants claim that 20lb is an accurate estimation. The 2 men being only 4lb apart on the scales the day before doesn't take into consideration conditioning. Mayweather doesn't have a wasted ounce on frame that had been expertly tailored to a 147 weight cut for around 4 years by 2009. Marquez was a man that could have made 126 in that very same training camp. For all intents and purposes this was a Welterweight vs a Featherweight. No amount of water & fat on Marquez' Featherweight frame changes that fact.

I've wasted far too much time trting to teach you a thing or 2 in this thread, if you still want to indulge in fantasy that FM vs JMM was a contest fought in the realms of fairness with regard to weight, by all means, as you were, you laughing stock.

You should try teaching yourself something other than how to wack your peepee to porn in your garage between posts waiting for someone to call you for a screenprinting job.

Everyone (including you) knows that you are wrong on this. You need serious counseling TriggereDicky. That is no joke.

first time i saw someone aggressively
walking back. he made a great fighter
look amateur.