Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

Who wins?

Poll ended at 11 Oct 2021, 13:04

Joyce - Decision
10
29%
Joyce - KO/TKO
22
65%
DRAW
0
No votes
Chisora - KO/TKO
0
No votes
Chisora - Decision
2
6%
 
Total votes: 34

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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

Stuarty wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 08:42
Yes We Can wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 08:38
Stuarty wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 08:14 DelBoys post fight interview was class. Actually enjoyed the full production last night from start to finish which is rare for a Sky card these days!
Thought it was an amusing way to say not interested to be fair. He has a great habit of rubbing people up the right way. Needs to fight somebody with a pulse again next.
Apparently if Haye doesn't pay him what he wants then Takam is a possibility. That could be a bit of a ding dong if DelBoy is in shape and motivated.

You're probably right though, he does look to be pricing himself out of the Joyce fight.
Easily.. it's not about the money.. Del doesn't want to look like a fool and look to be the man to 'put over' Joyce..
They've offered him more than his 2 previous European title challenges that he lost. Surely both tougher fights than Joyce. I hear it's in the region of £400k-£700k.. Joyce ain't getting nowhere near that anyway. Like Haye said, if Chisora is saying there is NO WAY Joyce beats him then I guess it should be easy money..
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

Post by ewenhay »

Whilst I'm far from convinced by Joyce I think he'll be too busy for Chisora at this stage.

Chisora's best chance is if Joyce comes in with the wrong tactics like Whyte did and it ends up being a brawl.

Haye and Fury showed the blueprint to beat Chisora years ago and that was against a much better version of Chisora who wasn't that far off the version who made life difficult for Vitali Klitschko
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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Yes We Can wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 08:38
Stuarty wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 08:14 DelBoys post fight interview was class. Actually enjoyed the full production last night from start to finish which is rare for a Sky card these days!
Thought it was an amusing way to say not interested to be fair. He has a great habit of rubbing people up the right way. Needs to fight somebody with a pulse again next.
I thought it was funny at the time, but he is a bit of a tool , let's face it .

Haye smashed him up in their fight and after all the pre fight animosity with Chisora it looked like they were dear old pals after .
You would think Chisora would have a tad more respect for Haye after the beating he took ,but not a bit of it !

I don't think dear old Delboy respects anybody to be honest .

I think the reason he doesn't want anything to do with Joyce is the fact he knows he's going to lose .

He can't be many losses away from retirement and would think the cash on offer is too good to turn down .
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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rd350lc wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 16:00
Yes We Can wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 08:38
Stuarty wrote: 25 Mar 2018, 08:14 DelBoys post fight interview was class. Actually enjoyed the full production last night from start to finish which is rare for a Sky card these days!
Thought it was an amusing way to say not interested to be fair. He has a great habit of rubbing people up the right way. Needs to fight somebody with a pulse again next.
I thought it was funny at the time, but he is a bit of a tool , let's face it .

Haye smashed him up in their fight and after all the pre fight animosity with Chisora it looked like they were dear old pals after .
You would think Chisora would have a tad more respect for Haye after the beating he took ,but not a bit of it !

I don't think dear old Delboy respects anybody to be honest .

I think the reason he doesn't want anything to do with Joyce is the fact he knows he's going to lose .

He can't be many losses away from retirement and would think the cash on offer is too good to turn down .
100% agree here..
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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Chisora is so erratic that it's hard to say with whether this is a good or bad move.

If the Chisora that turned up to fight Whyte shows up for this, Joyce is in trouble.

If it's the fat lifeless pudding that turned up to fight Kabayel, then it's genius matchmaking from Team Joyce.
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:lol:
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Dereck Chisora wants Joe Joyce fight next

The highly ranked Joe Joyce is now on fringe heavyweight contender Dereck Chisora and his manager David Haye’s target list for 2021.

There’s not much for Joyce, 35, to gain in fighting Chisora (32-10, 23 KOs), given that he’s coming off a 12 round unanimous decision loss to Oleksandr Usyk on October 31st. If Chisora would stop losing all the time, he’d be a good option for Joyce.

Chisora falls apart every time he steps up against a halfway decent heavyweight, and you can’t count on him.

Additionally, Chisora is ranked low at #13 WBC, #15 WBA and #15 WBO in the heavyweight rankings. Joyce would be doing Chisora and Haye a favor by fighting him, and there wouldn’t be any upside in taking the match right now.

Two years ago, Joyce wanted to fight Chisora, but there was no interest on his part at the time. Now when the tables are turned and Joyce in the position to battle for the World Boxing Organization title, suddenly Chisora wants to fight him.

The fighter that Haye should be targeting for Chisora is 39-year-old Kubrat Pulev since he’s coming off of a ninth-round knockout loss to Anthony Joshua last Saturday night.

Pulev beat Chisora by a 12 round split decision in May 2016 in Germany, and there would be the revenge factor in a second fight between them.

Joyce in position to fight for WBO title

With IBF/WBA/WBO heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua expected to take on WBC champion Tyson Fury in May, Joyce (12-0, 11 KOs) is in the enviable position to fight for WBO title against Oleksandr Usyk once it’s vacated or stripped from AJ.

“Possibly Joe Joyce,” Haye said an eager Sky Sports News about a fight he wants for his guy. “Joe Joyce looked great the other night against Daniel Dubois.

“I’m sure Joyce’s team would be salivating at that opportunity. That’s a great fight out there,”
said Haye.

David Haye sounds like he’s dreaming with him talking about Joyce salivating over the prospects of fighting Chisora, a high-level journeyman at best. Heck, Joyce might as well take on Dave Allen or Tom Little because it would pretty much amount to the same thing.

No, Chisora is NOT a great fight for Joyce. It’s a step down for him from his recent knockout win over Dubois on November 28th, and there’s nothing for him to gain from that match.



As you can see, the guy that Joyce wants is Usyk, who is ranked ahead of him at #1 in the World Boxing Organization rankings. That’s a fight that could happen in the first quarter of 2021.
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Funny how the tables turn..

Joyce, managed by Haye, after only a few pro fights wanted Chisora.. Too risky for Chisora and nothing much to gain from a win.. Chisora kept saying no.

Now a few years later,

Chisora, managed by Haye, wants Joyce, because NOW Joyce is in a good position and Chisora has pissed all his opportunities..

Like the article says, it's not moving in the right direction for JJJ. It might be worth some quid, but Joyce arguably has big money fights which include world titles coming soon.
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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I've re-done the poll

Even in 2018, many thought Joyce would win.
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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JJ deserves a better option than this frankly , chisora just been beaten by Usyk !
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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stevec@france wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 13:09 JJ deserves a better option than this frankly , chisora just been beaten by Usyk !
No way does JJ take the fight. He has nothing to gain. He’s just beaten DDD and put himself in a mandatory position.
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Another ancient thread. As stated before, Chisora openly didn't want any of Joyce a couple of years ago. The momentum is all with Joyce who appears to be on the verge of an Usyk fight possibly for a vacant title and should just be targeting that, really. I like Chisora so maybe Joyce-Chisora would be a fun fight if Joyce loses to Usyk, but out of the two fights it's not the one I as a fan want to see first. If they stuck Chisora on the undercard against somebody half decent to get him a win then that would be good. But the guy just lost a pretty wide decision. It's hard to see him beating Joyce, or even getting himself up for it.
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Joyce should fight Usyk. Chisora should fight the likes of Martin or Washington.
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DrDuke wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 13:29 Joyce should fight Usyk. Chisora should fight the likes of Martin or Washington.
Chisora vs Charles Martin on some undercard somewhere would be worth it just for the build up. Martin is bat shit mental and takes himself super seriously. You could see Chisora having a lot of fun with that.
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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Cyclops wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:02
DrDuke wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 13:29 Joyce should fight Usyk. Chisora should fight the likes of Martin or Washington.
Chisora vs Charles Martin on some undercard somewhere would be worth it just for the build up. Martin is bat shit mental and takes himself super seriously. You could see Chisora having a lot of fun with that.
Chisora vs Ortiz
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:11 Chisora vs Ortiz
Sounds good too.
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:11
Cyclops wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:02
DrDuke wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 13:29 Joyce should fight Usyk. Chisora should fight the likes of Martin or Washington.
Chisora vs Charles Martin on some undercard somewhere would be worth it just for the build up. Martin is bat shit mental and takes himself super seriously. You could see Chisora having a lot of fun with that.
Chisora vs Ortiz
Is ortiz still fighting?
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It will be a mark of Joyce's continued confidence in himself should he take this fight next.

Peel away all the bullsh1t & bollocks and Joyce v Chisora would make an excellent 1st defence of Joe's British & European titles.
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:52
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:11
Cyclops wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:02
Chisora vs Charles Martin on some undercard somewhere would be worth it just for the build up. Martin is bat shit mental and takes himself super seriously. You could see Chisora having a lot of fun with that.
Chisora vs Ortiz
Is ortiz still fighting?
He only fought last month. Fight only lasted 50 seconds..
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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jj will stop him i think ,its funny it isnt i didnt rate jj just i thought dd power would win it for him, i think jj has to much for chisora i think jj would beat whyte
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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THEBUTCH wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:54 It will be a mark of Joyce's continued confidence in himself should he take this fight next.

Peel away all the bullsh1t & bollocks and Joyce v Chisora would make an excellent 1st defence of Joe's British & European titles.
Its very poor matchmaking though, joyce proves nothing in winning, and has a lot more to lose.
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You think Chisora is that shot that beating him doesn’t prove anything? I’m not sure about that, but I haven’t seen his last couple of fights, I don’t think. Unless the decline is precipitous I think a win against him means something for any relatively inexperienced heavyweight
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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How can Haye truly believe that Chisora would beat Joyce after what he was saying several years ago.
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 16:56
THEBUTCH wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 14:54 It will be a mark of Joyce's continued confidence in himself should he take this fight next.

Peel away all the bullsh1t & bollocks and Joyce v Chisora would make an excellent 1st defence of Joe's British & European titles.
Its very poor matchmaking though, joyce proves nothing in winning, and has a lot more to lose.
i think you have a good point, i thought chisora was finnished after that lost in monaco
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Re: Joe Joyce vs. Dereck Chisora

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Counter-puncher wrote: 15 Dec 2020, 17:03 You think Chisora is that shot that beating him doesn’t prove anything? I’m not sure about that, but I haven’t seen his last couple of fights, I don’t think. Unless the decline is precipitous I think a win against him means something for any relatively inexperienced heavyweight
jj is getting on in age he knows the game , chisora is an old pro he will make it look hard like a skilled journey man, because that is what good fighters become after sticking around to long
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