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jamamb wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 22:35 also just from a quick search he was favoured in a poll here to beat breazeale when they were set to fight when both unbeaten

Was that at the time Breazeale should have lost against Mansour?

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Breazeale is at least trying as hard as he can... He needs better coaching but he's ambitious... Martin doesn't care.

Kalan wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 23:35 Breazeale is at least trying as hard as he can... He needs better coaching but he's ambitious... Martin doesn't care.

Agree with this.

This is part of the reason why I'm perplexed as to why some folk are bigging up Martin & aching to see him fight again.

He doesn't care, so why on Earth should any boxing fan invest any emotional effort in him?

Wow! Lot's of posts here!

Martin doesn't deserve any more attention until he proves himself worthy.....

HeavyHitters wrote: ↑26 Mar 2018, 13:11 Wow! Lot's of posts here!

Martin doesn't deserve any more attention until he proves himself worthy.....

Yup, but It'll never happen after his 'performance' v. Joshua. He showed nothing. I'd rather see Jason Gavern.

CM is a big guy with decent punching power and little bit less than average skillset, regarding the top level. Nothing less, nothing more. His place is between No. 15 and No. 20 top HW.
Glazkov's injury was not Martin's fault, simply, it had happened.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 13:39

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 12:59

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑23 Mar 2018, 11:03

No there isn't.

I'd like to hear your counter argument.

He easily beat the consensus undisputed HW in the world. That version of Klitschko was rated p4p #2 after Chocolatito at the time. This wasn't a vacant title against piss-poor opposition like Glazkov.

Fury wasn't champion when he fought Klitschko.

He needs to get himself mentally healthy and get some bigger names under his belt. I agree with the Dominic Breazele fight.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 03:52

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 13:39

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 12:59

I'd like to hear your counter argument.

He easily beat the consensus undisputed HW in the world. That version of Klitschko was rated p4p #2 after Chocolatito at the time. This wasn't a vacant title against piss-poor opposition like Glazkov.

Fury wasn't champion when he fought Klitschko.

What a terrible "argument".

punchoutsb wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 12:31

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 03:52

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 13:39

He easily beat the consensus undisputed HW in the world. That version of Klitschko was rated p4p #2 after Chocolatito at the time. This wasn't a vacant title against piss-poor opposition like Glazkov.

Fury wasn't champion when he fought Klitschko.

What a terrible "argument".

Hold on, why is it a terrible argument? I said he was one of the worst champions, which Fury never fought as one.

He performed admirably as a challenger in one fight, but was never able to step in the ring as champion.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 03:52

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 13:39

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 12:59

I'd like to hear your counter argument.

He easily beat the consensus undisputed HW in the world. That version of Klitschko was rated p4p #2 after Chocolatito at the time. This wasn't a vacant title against piss-poor opposition like Glazkov.

Fury wasn't champion when he fought Klitschko.

Where did I say that Fury was champion? What the hell did you read?

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 05:17

punchoutsb wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 12:31

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 03:52

Fury wasn't champion when he fought Klitschko.

What a terrible "argument".

Hold on, why is it a terrible argument? I said he was one of the worst champions, which Fury never fought as one.

He performed admirably as a challenger in one fight, but was never able to step in the ring as champion.

Okay, now I get your post. Still, Fury was the lineal HW champion at one point. It's pointless to try and split hairs on that fact.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 12:46

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 05:17

punchoutsb wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 12:31

What a terrible "argument".

Hold on, why is it a terrible argument? I said he was one of the worst champions, which Fury never fought as one.

He performed admirably as a challenger in one fight, but was never able to step in the ring as champion.

Okay, now I get your post. Still, Fury was the lineal HW champion at one point. It's pointless to try and split hairs on that fact.

I have not expected so many answers in the thread about Charles Martin.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 05:17

punchoutsb wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 12:31

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 03:52

Fury wasn't champion when he fought Klitschko.

What a terrible "argument".

Hold on, why is it a terrible argument? I said he was one of the worst champions, which Fury never fought as one.

He performed admirably as a challenger in one fight, but was never able to step in the ring as champion.

When ranking a champion, from whom and how they won the title plays a big part. Fury wrested the title from one of the most dominant HW champions ever, and he did so rather easily. Martin was given a shot he didn't deserve against an opponent who deserved it even less, won by fluke injury, and was absolutely decimated less than six months later. More so than that, my comments are based more around the fact he has terribly sub-par skills (both physical and sports specific) and that he in no way passes the eye test of ability to beat anyone worth note.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 21:38

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 05:17

punchoutsb wrote: ↑27 Mar 2018, 12:31

What a terrible "argument".

Hold on, why is it a terrible argument? I said he was one of the worst champions, which Fury never fought as one.

He performed admirably as a challenger in one fight, but was never able to step in the ring as champion.

When ranking a champion, from whom and how they won the title plays a big part. Fury wrested the title from one of the most dominant HW champions ever, and he did so rather easily. Martin was given a shot he didn't deserve against an opponent who deserved it even less, won by fluke injury, and was absolutely decimated less than six months later. More so than that, my comments are based more around the fact he has terribly sub-par skills (both physical and sports specific) and that he in no way passes the eye test of ability to beat anyone worth note.

Well this is all subject to interpretation. As a champion, Fury was absent. As a fighter, he achieved something many could not, and nobody thought he would. In addition, he actually only produced this performance once. There is no sign if this was an anomaly, or if this was a reflection of who he is as a fighter. If he was to defend once against a top 10 fighter, then I would be more inclined to sing his praises further, but at the moment, it is just one fight against Klitschko.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 06:04

punchoutsb wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 21:38

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 05:17

Hold on, why is it a terrible argument? I said he was one of the worst champions, which Fury never fought as one.

He performed admirably as a challenger in one fight, but was never able to step in the ring as champion.

When ranking a champion, from whom and how they won the title plays a big part. Fury wrested the title from one of the most dominant HW champions ever, and he did so rather easily. Martin was given a shot he didn't deserve against an opponent who deserved it even less, won by fluke injury, and was absolutely decimated less than six months later. More so than that, my comments are based more around the fact he has terribly sub-par skills (both physical and sports specific) and that he in no way passes the eye test of ability to beat anyone worth note.

Well this is all subject to interpretation. As a champion, Fury was absent. As a fighter, he achieved something many could not, and nobody thought he would. In addition, he actually only produced this performance once. There is no sign if this was an anomaly, or if this was a reflection of who he is as a fighter. If he was to defend once against a top 10 fighter, then I would be more inclined to sing his praises further, but at the moment, it is just one fight against Klitschko.

Totally agree. Fury sadly couldnt keep his shit together long enough to prove his class.

Kalan wrote: ↑25 Mar 2018, 23:35 Breazeale is at least trying as hard as he can... He needs better coaching but he's ambitious... Martin doesn't care.

Nah, he's just far too slow. Looks like he's neck deep in syrup when he boxs.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 06:04

punchoutsb wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 21:38

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 05:17

Hold on, why is it a terrible argument? I said he was one of the worst champions, which Fury never fought as one.

He performed admirably as a challenger in one fight, but was never able to step in the ring as champion.

When ranking a champion, from whom and how they won the title plays a big part. Fury wrested the title from one of the most dominant HW champions ever, and he did so rather easily. Martin was given a shot he didn't deserve against an opponent who deserved it even less, won by fluke injury, and was absolutely decimated less than six months later. More so than that, my comments are based more around the fact he has terribly sub-par skills (both physical and sports specific) and that he in no way passes the eye test of ability to beat anyone worth note.

Well this is all subject to interpretation. As a champion, Fury was absent. As a fighter, he achieved something many could not, and nobody thought he would. In addition, he actually only produced this performance once. There is no sign if this was an anomaly, or if this was a reflection of who he is as a fighter. If he was to defend once against a top 10 fighter, then I would be more inclined to sing his praises further, but at the moment, it is just one fight against Klitschko.

He beat Chisora twice (goes on to beat Whyte), Cunningham, and Hammer. He has a solid resume so his skills are undeniable. People just so mad he beat Klitschko so easily while Joshua went life and death with an older-semi retired version.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 12:44

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 06:04

punchoutsb wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 21:38

When ranking a champion, from whom and how they won the title plays a big part. Fury wrested the title from one of the most dominant HW champions ever, and he did so rather easily. Martin was given a shot he didn't deserve against an opponent who deserved it even less, won by fluke injury, and was absolutely decimated less than six months later. More so than that, my comments are based more around the fact he has terribly sub-par skills (both physical and sports specific) and that he in no way passes the eye test of ability to beat anyone worth note.

Well this is all subject to interpretation. As a champion, Fury was absent. As a fighter, he achieved something many could not, and nobody thought he would. In addition, he actually only produced this performance once. There is no sign if this was an anomaly, or if this was a reflection of who he is as a fighter. If he was to defend once against a top 10 fighter, then I would be more inclined to sing his praises further, but at the moment, it is just one fight against Klitschko.

He beat Chisora twice (goes on to beat Whyte), Cunningham, and Hammer. He has a solid resume so his skills are undeniable. People just so mad he beat Klitschko so easily while Joshua went life and death with an older-semi retired version.

That's an intriguing argument. Well done.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 12:44

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 06:04

punchoutsb wrote: ↑28 Mar 2018, 21:38

When ranking a champion, from whom and how they won the title plays a big part. Fury wrested the title from one of the most dominant HW champions ever, and he did so rather easily. Martin was given a shot he didn't deserve against an opponent who deserved it even less, won by fluke injury, and was absolutely decimated less than six months later. More so than that, my comments are based more around the fact he has terribly sub-par skills (both physical and sports specific) and that he in no way passes the eye test of ability to beat anyone worth note.

Well this is all subject to interpretation. As a champion, Fury was absent. As a fighter, he achieved something many could not, and nobody thought he would. In addition, he actually only produced this performance once. There is no sign if this was an anomaly, or if this was a reflection of who he is as a fighter. If he was to defend once against a top 10 fighter, then I would be more inclined to sing his praises further, but at the moment, it is just one fight against Klitschko.

He beat Chisora twice (goes on to beat Whyte), Cunningham, and Hammer. He has a solid resume so his skills are undeniable. People just so mad he beat Klitschko so easily while Joshua went life and death with an older-semi retired version.

On the contrare, wins against Chisora, Cunningham and Hammer are what they are. None are world class, nor are any of them genuine top 10. How many top 10 fights have AJ and Fury had between them? Probably just the two Klitschko fights.

I really shouldn't have to tell you this, as I'm sure you're a student of the game, but styles make fights. Joshua executed a high risk strategy to get the knockout, whilst Fury took a low risk strategy to reduce the risk of going 'life and death but was only ever going to win in a decision.

I'm honestly very disappointed that the rematch against Klitschko never happened, to confirm that the win was not a lucky one off. Now all I can do is wonder now.

Martin is so bad he couldn't hold the thread topic...'nuff said.

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 18:46 Martin is so bad he couldn't hold the thread topic...'nuff said.