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armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:44

the_doctor wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:27

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 10:44 I'm pretty much aware that if you get 40% one fight, then 60% in a rematch, it equals 50%, since both fighters %'s equal the same added up in the two fights. That has zero to do with being in the sport, being a hardcore fan, a casual fan, or never watching the sport. That's basic math.

Not if the rematch makes more or less than the first fight.

40% of $50m + 60% of $100m = $20m + $60m = $80m
60% of $50m + 40% of $100m = $30m + $40m = $70m

So a 60/40 split followed by a 40/60 spilt is only equivalent to a 50/50 split overall if both fights make exactly the same money, and how likely is that?

I know that both fights will make a different amount of money. I'm saying they'd get an equal % average for the two fights combined.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:09 I think that even if AJ offers 100% of the money and fighting in America wherever Wilder likes and a follow up match in de UK where AJ receives 100% of the money, Wilder would probably still not accept.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:35

asdfjkl wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:09 I think that even if AJ offers 100% of the money and fighting in America wherever Wilder likes and a follow up match in de UK where AJ receives 100% of the money, Wilder would probably still not accept.

That's a little far fetched

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:36

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:35

asdfjkl wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:09 I think that even if AJ offers 100% of the money and fighting in America wherever Wilder likes and a follow up match in de UK where AJ receives 100% of the money, Wilder would probably still not accept.

That's a little far fetched

Rob, you are being nice. I personally think asdfjkl is as phony as his screen name.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:45 Well one thing is good, it's easy to ID a fanboy from a real objective boxing fan. The latter is getting rarer and rarer...very frustrating.

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:57

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 09:45 Well one thing is good, it's easy to ID a fanboy from a real objective boxing fan. The latter is getting rarer and rarer...very frustrating.

lol says the guy who just called aj a pussy, lmao you cant be serious man

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:06 i like both guys a lot and you wont see me calling either a pussy, bum, overrated, etc.

just seems strange for a guy constantly whining about all the talk, haters, bias etc to then call aj a pussy

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:10

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:06 i like both guys a lot and you wont see me calling either a pussy, bum, overrated, etc.

just seems strange for a guy constantly whining about all the talk, haters, bias etc to then call aj a pussy

It provides a spark for more debate.(lol) It's out of frustration. Watching boxing for 45 years and I don't believe I ever saw such difficulty making a fight for whatever the reason (especially a big fight). I shouldn't have called AJ a pussy, but I sure hate Eddie Hearn. I'm a frustrated boxing fan and I'm getting pissed!

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:16 lol just chill mate, the fights only been 'has to happen!' for a matter of months. the first offer just got sent. it hasnt been years and years

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:25 Plus, this isn't frustration yet. Try Mayweather vs. Pacquiao level frustration. And we're very much at the very start of This. They've both just fought in massive fights.

darkstar81 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 06:14

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:44

the_doctor wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:27
Not if the rematch makes more or less than the first fight.

40% of $50m + 60% of $100m = $20m + $60m = $80m
60% of $50m + 40% of $100m = $30m + $40m = $70m

So a 60/40 split followed by a 40/60 spilt is only equivalent to a 50/50 split overall if both fights make exactly the same money, and how likely is that?

I know that both fights will make a different amount of money. I'm saying they'd get an equal % average for the two fights combined.

But they don't!!
With the numbers above, the averages are 53/47 not 50/50.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:10

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:06 i like both guys a lot and you wont see me calling either a pussy, bum, overrated, etc.

just seems strange for a guy constantly whining about all the talk, haters, bias etc to then call aj a pussy

It provides a spark for more debate.(lol) It's out of frustration. Watching boxing for 45 years and I don't believe I ever saw such difficulty making a fight for whatever the reason (especially a big fight). I shouldn't have called AJ a pussy, but I sure hate Eddie Hearn. I'm a frustrated boxing fan and I'm getting pissed!

keirw wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 13:49

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:10

jamamb wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:06 i like both guys a lot and you wont see me calling either a pussy, bum, overrated, etc.

just seems strange for a guy constantly whining about all the talk, haters, bias etc to then call aj a pussy

It provides a spark for more debate.(lol) It's out of frustration. Watching boxing for 45 years and I don't believe I ever saw such difficulty making a fight for whatever the reason (especially a big fight). I shouldn't have called AJ a pussy, but I sure hate Eddie Hearn. I'm a frustrated boxing fan and I'm getting pissed!

I find that hard to believe, they have only been talking about this fight seriously for a couple weeks.

Some fights don't get made for years and years (or at all, in some cases).

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 13:51

keirw wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 13:49

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 10:10

It provides a spark for more debate.(lol) It's out of frustration. Watching boxing for 45 years and I don't believe I ever saw such difficulty making a fight for whatever the reason (especially a big fight). I shouldn't have called AJ a pussy, but I sure hate Eddie Hearn. I'm a frustrated boxing fan and I'm getting pissed!

I find that hard to believe, they have only been talking about this fight seriously for a couple weeks.

Some fights don't get made for years and years (or at all, in some cases).

This fight has been discussed for over a year. Yes, maybe seriously for the first time. It is THE fight to make. I'm sick of the BS when it's so obvious who needs to meet who in the HW division. Greed takes over on both sides.

keirw wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 14:03

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 13:51

keirw wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 13:49
I find that hard to believe, they have only been talking about this fight seriously for a couple weeks.

Some fights don't get made for years and years (or at all, in some cases).

This fight has been discussed for over a year. Yes, maybe seriously for the first time. It is THE fight to make. I'm sick of the BS when it's so obvious who needs to meet who in the HW division. Greed takes over on both sides.

It may have been discussed for a long time, but discussions don't make fights, negotiations do.
They have only been negotiating for a very short period, give them a chance.

Greed is always going to be an issue.
But if the businessmen behind the fighters are going to put their hands in their pockets to get the fight made, then it is logical that they make sure that they get as big a return on their investment as possible.

I firmly believe the fight happens either late this year or early next year.

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 14:04

keirw wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 14:03

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 13:51

This fight has been discussed for over a year. Yes, maybe seriously for the first time. It is THE fight to make. I'm sick of the BS when it's so obvious who needs to meet who in the HW division. Greed takes over on both sides.

It may have been discussed for a long time, but discussions don't make fights, negotiations do.
They have only been negotiating for a very short period, give them a chance.

Greed is always going to be an issue.
But if the businessmen behind the fighters are going to put their hands in their pockets to get the fight made, then it is logical that they make sure that they get as big a return on their investment as possible.

I firmly believe the fight happens either late this year or early next year.

I'm sure it will happen, but I am expressing my frustration. Are people going to tell me how to feel now? LOL!!!!

keirw wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 14:09

oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 14:04

keirw wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 14:03
It may have been discussed for a long time, but discussions don't make fights, negotiations do.
They have only been negotiating for a very short period, give them a chance.

Greed is always going to be an issue.
But if the businessmen behind the fighters are going to put their hands in their pockets to get the fight made, then it is logical that they make sure that they get as big a return on their investment as possible.

I firmly believe the fight happens either late this year or early next year.

I'm sure it will happen, but I am expressing my frustration. Are people going to tell me how to feel now? LOL!!!!

You are free to feel how you want, it is the 21st century after all

armageto wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 11:10

darkstar81 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 06:14

armageto wrote: ↑11 Apr 2018, 13:44

I know that both fights will make a different amount of money. I'm saying they'd get an equal % average for the two fights combined.

But they don't!!
With the numbers above, the averages are 53/47 not 50/50.

I'm saying, they get an equal average % with the two fights combined, but a different amount of money. No fight generates the exact same amount of money. Just like Parker vs AJ would make less than Wilder vs AJ, but if they would get an equal % if they both made 33 1/3% of the fight. The money would still be different, but the % the same or equal. So Parker couldn't complain about getting less money, if he was getting the same %. Wilder fight would just generate more money. So an equal % would be fair. An equal average %.......

In other words, we both work in car sales. I get an a 10% commission on every sale in April, you 15%. It's reversed in May. I sell 15 cars in a April, you sell 18 cars. I sell 12 cars in April, you sell 4. Overall, yes, I did make more money. We both however had an equal % chance to earn the same income. It just worked out differently between our sales in the 2 months.

I didn't pay any attention to his actual numbers. I think the fact he was trying to state was the money would be different per fight, which it would. My point is the money would be different, but both fights combined, each fighter had an equal chance to make the same amount of money, % wise.

darkstar81 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 17:13

armageto wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 11:10

darkstar81 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 06:14

But they don't!!
With the numbers above, the averages are 53/47 not 50/50.

I'm saying, they get an equal average % with the two fights combined, but a different amount of money. No fight generates the exact same amount of money. Just like Parker vs AJ would make less than Wilder vs AJ, but if they would get an equal % if they both made 33 1/3% of the fight. The money would still be different, but the % the same or equal. So Parker couldn't complain about getting less money, if he was getting the same %. Wilder fight would just generate more money. So an equal % would be fair. An equal average %.......

In other words, we both work in car sales. I get an a 10% commission on every sale in April, you 15%. It's reversed in May. I sell 15 cars in a April, you sell 18 cars. I sell 12 cars in April, you sell 4. Overall, yes, I did make more money. We both however had an equal % chance to earn the same income. It just worked out differently between our sales in the 2 months.

I didn't pay any attention to his actual numbers. I think the fact he was trying to state was the money would be different per fight, which it would. My point is the money would be different, but both fights combined, each fighter had an equal chance to make the same amount of money, % wise.

Ok you can make a case for equal probability but the simple average doesn't work (as you're not talking about probability you're talking about revenue, so you need to use weighted average)