Why hasn’t GGG’s opponent been sorted out yet?

[gilgamesh]

Martirosyan.

The best thing I can say about this matchup. Is that Vanes has never been stopped....yet

Vanes is no Rosado. His 3 losses to Andrade, Charlo and Lara were competitive. Prime Vanes would likely beat half of Golovkin's previous opponents. He hasn't fought for almost 2 years though.

Yeah Martirosyan certainly doesn't suck, and his losses were all competitive. I think he'll be able to make it competitive for a time, but ultimately I figure GGG will be too strong for him. The inactivity ain't doing him no favors here either.

[SenorPipino]

IBF threatening to strip Golovkin if he goes ahead with the charade against Vanes.

They say Golovkin has to fight Derevyanchenko or say bye bye to the belt.

Golovkin will probably kiss it goodbye and proceed with the bout against the super welterweight who has been inactive for 2 years.

Good news. It won't be on PPV. Just regular HBO.

[boxing_rocks]

IBF threatening to strip Golovkin if he goes ahead with the charade against Vanes.

They say Golovkin has to fight Derevyanchenko or say bye bye to the belt.

Golovkin will probably kiss it goodbye and proceed with the bout against the super welterweight who has been inactive for 2 years.

Good news. It won't be on PPV. Just regular HBO.

Which is why Loefler is in talks with Derevo about step aside money.

[SenorPipino]

IBF threatening to strip Golovkin if he goes ahead with the charade against Vanes.

They say Golovkin has to fight Derevyanchenko or say bye bye to the belt.

Golovkin will probably kiss it goodbye and proceed with the bout against the super welterweight who has been inactive for 2 years.

Good news. It won't be on PPV. Just regular HBO.

Which is why Loefler is in talks with Derevo about step aside money.

In boxing, there's a way around everything, isn't there?

[boxing_rocks]

Yep, money being the key.

[Ruthless-RKO]

IBF threatening to strip Golovkin if he goes ahead with the charade against Vanes.

They say Golovkin has to fight Derevyanchenko or say bye bye to the belt.

Golovkin will probably kiss it goodbye and proceed with the bout against the super welterweight who has been inactive for 2 years.

Good news. It won't be on PPV. Just regular HBO.

Which is why Loefler is in talks with Derevo about step aside money.

Where have the IBF threatened to strip GGG? Technically, unless I've missed it, they haven't actually ordered Derev cs. GGG have they? I've only read DiBella say IBF should strip him?

Correct me if i'm wrong but that's news to me..

Also, DiBella, isn't he the same guy that promoted Sergio Martinez and had him fight Cotto instead of his mandatory GGG??

[Enlightened-One]

I've just RE read the entire thread. Plenty of people disagree with you. The thread is now just an exercise in you justifying your original position. In the original post you invited people to provide their thoughts but you seem determined to just shout down those who disagree with your interpretation of the timelines.

I did my research. I quoted facts. No one can explain the reason why GGG's team didn't implement a contingency plan, but for some reason you seem to think I'm being intentionally provocative?

You asked me to justify my opinion and I did, by stating facts that I could easily back-up with evidence, but it’s a shame you couldn’t do the same.

You're overreacting. Like I said at the start of the thread, I wasn’t criticising GGG’s moral character and nor was I undermining his boxing ability. I just feel that his team should have done much better by implementing a contingency plan and having a substitute opponent on stand-by.

Other promoters have proven themselves capable of doing this, so why couldn't GGG Promotions? You haven’t answered that yet, have you?

Either stick to the argument, if you have enough knowledge to do so, or step away from the keyboard if you can't and have to resort to insults instead!

[Enlightened-One]

Osullivan isn't a realistic opponent. Saunders wanted to fight but in June. I'm sure they'd face any of the others but as you say you don't know who has contacted who so you are just speculating. A fighter tweeting to say he'd face someone doesn't mean much, it's easy to send out a tweet to posture a bit to your public

Saunders' own promoter stated that he'd take the fight, but they weren't contacted. I guess Saunders probably wanted more time to prepare any way, but they weren't even contacted in the first place.

O'Sullivan was a realistic opponent, because he was highly-ranked by the sports governing bodies and also by The RING.

Andrade & Derevyanchenko wanted the fight and were ready, but they weren't contacted. Do you have an excuse for their ineligibility also?

GGG Promotions had fighters stating their availability to face Gennady Golovkin, but they simply weren't contacted.

None of this is speculation. I think that Derevyanchenko's team even filed an official complaint, because he is GGG's mandatory, but Team Golovkin wanted to look elsewhere.

I'm not making any of this up, other forum members have commented on these issues also.

Simply put: GGG isn't entirely blameless for this situation. He's not Bambi, excruciatingly nice and innocent. He isn't perfect either. His team have clearly made mistakes.

Top level fights like Jacobs, Charlo, Derevo, Andrade take much longer that 4 or even 6 weeks to arrange. Unlike internet trolls like you, Loefler knows it, so he didn't contact these guys. He is to blame for not having a backup option, but not for trying to arrange those fights at a short notice.

There is also a weight issue. Only Jacobs who is in training for Sulecki fight could make 160 by May 5 and still be competitive in the ring. The rest of these top guys are only throwing their names in the mix to get publicity. Derevo also wants his step aside money. Speaking about Jacobs, the first time he was contacted, he said he needed 3 months to prepare for Golovkin ...

P.S. There also appears to be money issue:
https://www.BS.com/loeffler-go ... ht--127125

Loeffler explained Thursday in Los Angeles that there’s not enough money in the license fee HBO has agreed to pay to televise Golovkin’s May 5 fight to make it worthwhile for Golovkin or Derevyanchenko to fight each other on three weeks’ notice. Loeffler didn’t mention how much money HBO paid to air Golovkin’s return May 5, but multiple sources have informed BS.com that approximately $1 million will be paid to help cover the purses of Golovkin and his opponent.

“It’s a pretty simple answer, and I don’t really wanna get into the discussions [I’ve had] with Lou,” Loeffler said. “But we feel, under a reduced television fee, under a condensed schedule for marketing a fight, not only would it be disadvantageous for a mandatory [challenger], but also for Triple-G. I mean, Triple-G sells out the biggest arenas in the world, and if we have a proper time to promote and market a fight, nobody does it better than we do with the Triple-G fights. You know, when you can sell out Madison Square Garden twice, with a David Lemieux, with a Danny Jacobs, Derevyanchenko would be a huge fight in Madison Square Garden. So why would you want to shortchange the mandatory challenger and the champion, the unified champion, squeezing a situation like that?”

It only took 24 hours to negotiate a bout between GGG and Kell Brook. Am I wrong about this? I can provide more examples.

My belief about the amount of time to negotiate bouts has been researched and I can supply proof if need be.

What you’re essentially saying is that it’s OK for Tom Loeffler to not make any attempt whatsoever to negotiate a fight with Sergiy Derevyanchenko based on an assumption, since he hasn’t bothered to contact the Russian's team to ascertain his financial demands.

Just because you disagree with me – that doesn’t mean I’m a troll.

You know for certain I’m able to prove everything I’ve stated in this thread.

[ewenhay]

I've just RE read the entire thread. Plenty of people disagree with you. The thread is now just an exercise in you justifying your original position. In the original post you invited people to provide their thoughts but you seem determined to just shout down those who disagree with your interpretation of the timelines.

I did my research. I quoted facts. No one can explain the reason why GGG's team didn't implement a contingency plan, but for some reason you seem to think I'm being intentionally provocative?

You asked me to justify my opinion and I did, by stating facts that I could easily back-up with evidence, but it’s a shame you couldn’t do the same.

You're overreacting. Like I said at the start of the thread, I wasn’t criticising GGG’s moral character and nor was I undermining his boxing ability. I just feel that his team should have done much better by implementing a contingency plan and having a substitute opponent on stand-by.

Other promoters have proven themselves capable of doing this, so why couldn't GGG Promotions? You haven’t answered that yet, have you?

Either stick to the argument, if you have enough knowledge to do so, or step away from the keyboard if you can't and have to resort to insults instead!

Nobody insulted you.

Your interpretation of the timelines is wrong for a number of reasons.

Firstly when Alvarez failed the test no one thought the fight would be called off. Like almost everyone else the Golovkin camp probably thought it would proceed and wanted it to proceed as it's a big money fight. It was only about 2 weeks ago that it started to look like the fight would definitely be off and only a matter of days since Alverez withdrew.

Secondly Golovkin stated pretty early on that he wanted to fight Saunders if the Alvarez fight fell through. That's probably the hardest fight out there that he could have wanted. Saunders said he wanted to fight but wouldn't be ready until June. Clearly the Golovkin camp wanted to save the May date if they could as they have a lot invested in it.

Thirdly it's not that easy to get top fighters to step in at short notice regardless of what they might be tweeting. Don't believe everything fighters say on twitter, much of it is bravado and posturing. It's a lot more complicated to make a deal. Even Spike Osullivan turned down the fight as it was too such short notice and probably wanted crazy money to accept it under such conditions.

Fourthly all the other promoters know that the Golovkin camp are in a fix and will be demanding huge money and rightly so. However this starts to make the fight even less financially viable as there is now a vastly reduced pot because it isn't Alvarez and it isn't ppv.

Finally there aren't that many fighters available at short notice that the sanctioning bodies will accept. They have already turned down one opponent


Therefore, I respectfully disagree with your opinion as I feel the Golovkin camp are clearly trying pretty hard to make something happen.

For the record I have no skin in the game regards Golovkin. I'm not that big a fan of him or Alvarez for that matter . However fair is fair and the Golovkin camp are pretty blame free in my opinion

Is that enough "research" for you?

[SenorPipino]

IBF threatening to strip Golovkin if he goes ahead with the charade against Vanes.

They say Golovkin has to fight Derevyanchenko or say bye bye to the belt.

Golovkin will probably kiss it goodbye and proceed with the bout against the super welterweight who has been inactive for 2 years.

Good news. It won't be on PPV. Just regular HBO.

Which is why Loefler is in talks with Derevo about step aside money.

Where have the IBF threatened to strip GGG? Technically, unless I've missed it, they haven't actually ordered Derev cs. GGG have they? I've only read DiBella say IBF should strip him?

Correct me if i'm wrong but that's news to me..

Also, DiBella, isn't he the same guy that promoted Sergio Martinez and had him fight Cotto instead of his mandatory GGG??

It appears that Loeffler is negotiating with both the IBF and DiBella to keep the sanctioning body from stripping him.

Apparently all this has to be resolved by April 18. Isn't that the date of the Canelo hearing?

If the matter isn't resolved to everyone's satisfaction (promises and money?) the IBF may very well vacate the crown and order a Derevo vs Andrade fight for the title.

Of course all this changes by the hour, so you'll need patience.

[Enlightened-One]

I've just RE read the entire thread. Plenty of people disagree with you. The thread is now just an exercise in you justifying your original position. In the original post you invited people to provide their thoughts but you seem determined to just shout down those who disagree with your interpretation of the timelines.

I did my research. I quoted facts. No one can explain the reason why GGG's team didn't implement a contingency plan, but for some reason you seem to think I'm being intentionally provocative?

You asked me to justify my opinion and I did, by stating facts that I could easily back-up with evidence, but it’s a shame you couldn’t do the same.

You're overreacting. Like I said at the start of the thread, I wasn’t criticising GGG’s moral character and nor was I undermining his boxing ability. I just feel that his team should have done much better by implementing a contingency plan and having a substitute opponent on stand-by.

Other promoters have proven themselves capable of doing this, so why couldn't GGG Promotions? You haven’t answered that yet, have you?

Either stick to the argument, if you have enough knowledge to do so, or step away from the keyboard if you can't and have to resort to insults instead!

Nobody insulted you.

Your interpretation of the timelines is wrong for a number of reasons.

Firstly when Alvarez failed the test no one thought the fight would be called off. Like almost everyone else the Golovkin camp probably thought it would proceed and wanted it to proceed as it's a big money fight. It was only about 2 weeks ago that it started to look like the fight would definitely be off and only a matter of days since Alverez withdrew.

Secondly Golovkin stated pretty early on that he wanted to fight Saunders if the Alvarez fight fell through. That's probably the hardest fight out there that he could have wanted. Saunders said he wanted to fight but wouldn't be ready until June. Clearly the Golovkin camp wanted to save the May date if they could as they have a lot invested in it.

Thirdly it's not that easy to get top fighters to step in at short notice regardless of what they might be tweeting. Don't believe everything fighters say on twitter, much of it is bravado and posturing. It's a lot more complicated to make a deal. Even Spike Osullivan turned down the fight as it was too such short notice and probably wanted crazy money to accept it under such conditions.

Fourthly all the other promoters know that the Golovkin camp are in a fix and will be demanding huge money and rightly so. However this starts to make the fight even less financially viable as there is now a vastly reduced pot because it isn't Alvarez and it isn't ppv.

Finally there aren't that many fighters available at short notice that the sanctioning bodies will accept. They have already turned down one opponent


Therefore, I respectfully disagree with your opinion as I feel the Golovkin camp are clearly trying pretty hard to make something happen.

For the record I have no skin in the game regards Golovkin. I'm not that big a fan of him or Alvarez for that matter . However fair is fair and the Golovkin camp are pretty blame free in my opinion

Is that enough "research" for you?

I'm currently on my mobile and don't have time to respond to everything that you've written (so far), but in terms of the first point alone, both GGG and Abel Sanchez mentioned a back-up plan (check the time lines). This was a possibility, but they didn't plan for it, even though they clearly discussed potential stand-by replacement opponents.

Other promoters have implemented contingency plans for main events headlining PPV's without there being a drug scandal. Do you need me to provide a couple of examples?

My interpretation of the remaining points you've written is that you cannot distinguish the difference between opinions and facts.

I'm not saying your opinions are invalid, but the very nature of them cannot be considered as facts that were acquired through research, since you haven't justified them with any details or evidence that illustrate real world events.

[ewenhay]

I did my research. I quoted facts. No one can explain the reason why GGG's team didn't implement a contingency plan, but for some reason you seem to think I'm being intentionally provocative?

You asked me to justify my opinion and I did, by stating facts that I could easily back-up with evidence, but it’s a shame you couldn’t do the same.

You're overreacting. Like I said at the start of the thread, I wasn’t criticising GGG’s moral character and nor was I undermining his boxing ability. I just feel that his team should have done much better by implementing a contingency plan and having a substitute opponent on stand-by.

Other promoters have proven themselves capable of doing this, so why couldn't GGG Promotions? You haven’t answered that yet, have you?

Either stick to the argument, if you have enough knowledge to do so, or step away from the keyboard if you can't and have to resort to insults instead!

Nobody insulted you.

Your interpretation of the timelines is wrong for a number of reasons.

Firstly when Alvarez failed the test no one thought the fight would be called off. Like almost everyone else the Golovkin camp probably thought it would proceed and wanted it to proceed as it's a big money fight. It was only about 2 weeks ago that it started to look like the fight would definitely be off and only a matter of days since Alverez withdrew.

Secondly Golovkin stated pretty early on that he wanted to fight Saunders if the Alvarez fight fell through. That's probably the hardest fight out there that he could have wanted. Saunders said he wanted to fight but wouldn't be ready until June. Clearly the Golovkin camp wanted to save the May date if they could as they have a lot invested in it.

Thirdly it's not that easy to get top fighters to step in at short notice regardless of what they might be tweeting. Don't believe everything fighters say on twitter, much of it is bravado and posturing. It's a lot more complicated to make a deal. Even Spike Osullivan turned down the fight as it was too such short notice and probably wanted crazy money to accept it under such conditions.

Fourthly all the other promoters know that the Golovkin camp are in a fix and will be demanding huge money and rightly so. However this starts to make the fight even less financially viable as there is now a vastly reduced pot because it isn't Alvarez and it isn't ppv.

Finally there aren't that many fighters available at short notice that the sanctioning bodies will accept. They have already turned down one opponent


Therefore, I respectfully disagree with your opinion as I feel the Golovkin camp are clearly trying pretty hard to make something happen.

For the record I have no skin in the game regards Golovkin. I'm not that big a fan of him or Alvarez for that matter . However fair is fair and the Golovkin camp are pretty blame free in my opinion

Is that enough "research" for you?

I'm currently on my mobile and don't have time to respond to everything that you've written (so far), but in terms of the first point alone, both GGG and Abel Sanchez mentioned a back-up plan (check the time lines). This was a possibility, but they didn't plan for it, even though they clearly discussed potential stand-by replacement opponents.

My interpretation of the remaining points you've written is that you cannot distinguish the difference between opinions and facts.

I'm not saying your opinions are invalid, but the very nature of them cannot be considered as facts that were acquired through research, since you haven't justified them with any details or evidence that illustrate real world events.

I never stated that everything I said was fact. I'm just using logic to demonstrate that the Golovkin camp are clearly trying to make something happen.

They've tried to arrange a fight with 4 fighters in the last 3 weeks, 2 were rejected by various authorities, 2 declined for different reasons. And that's just the ones we've heard about.

[lazboy]

HBO didn't want Andrade due to his last performance and lack of confidence at 160.

O'Sullivan already has a fight and wanted a bit more training time and money.

BJS and Jacobs have fights and want full camps. BJS could do one in June.

GGG would want a full camp against Derevyanchenko.

Mungia was declined by NSAC.

At this point seems like they are really trying to Vanes. The only snag at this moment is with the IBF and Derevy.

I guess when you are your lowest point, you can sellout to Don King and he will get you a fighter and the nod from WBA WBC.

Thank you. Good fair points. I’d also argue they he should opt for a full camp against an opponent like Andrade who is significantly different stylistically to the likes of Canelo. 6 weeks or less is not enough time to org (only one example), sparring partners plus the months of unseen technical work on how to approach the opponent like he would have done with Canelo.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[jamamb]

Martirosyan.

The best thing I can say about this matchup. Is that Vanes has never been stopped....yet

Vanes is no Rosado. His 3 losses to Andrade, Charlo and Lara were competitive. Prime Vanes would likely beat half of Golovkin's previous opponents. He hasn't fought for almost 2 years though.

lol fighting a two years inactive b level junior middle? instead of a decent top rated middleweight whose his mandatory?

and stop with this talking up of vanes, omg he was competitive in his losses. dudes a b level inactive junior middleweight. okay, lets assume it had to be a sh!t opponent on short notice, fine, defend it from that perspective. but dont seriously try to talk vanes up like something good.

let me guess, you probably spouted stuff like jacobs weighed like 200 pounds, and that every time ggg gets hit its only because he wants to

[boxing_rocks]

Martirosyan.

The best thing I can say about this matchup. Is that Vanes has never been stopped....yet

Vanes is no Rosado. His 3 losses to Andrade, Charlo and Lara were competitive. Prime Vanes would likely beat half of Golovkin's previous opponents. He hasn't fought for almost 2 years though.

lol fighting a two years inactive b level junior middle? instead of a decent top rated middleweight whose his mandatory?

and stop with this talking up of vanes, omg he was competitive in his losses. dudes a b level inactive junior middleweight. okay, lets assume it had to be a sh!t opponent on short notice, fine, defend it from that perspective. but dont seriously try to talk vanes up like something good.

let me guess, you probably spouted stuff like jacobs weighed like 200 pounds, and that every time ggg gets hit its only because he wants to

You are an utter idiot. No way Derevo will be ready so quickly and no way he will want to fight for 300-400k.

[jamamb]

okay, fine, lets even assume that derev or the other guys who spoke up wouldnt actually take it. okay, but please stop with this vanes puffing. its embarassing. okay, ya it will be sh!t on super short notice and its not gggs fault canelo pulled out, but a 2 year inactive b level junior middleweight should not be talked up.

[SenorPipino]

Vanes is no Rosado. His 3 losses to Andrade, Charlo and Lara were competitive. Prime Vanes would likely beat half of Golovkin's previous opponents. He hasn't fought for almost 2 years though.

lol fighting a two years inactive b level junior middle? instead of a decent top rated middleweight whose his mandatory?

and stop with this talking up of vanes, omg he was competitive in his losses. dudes a b level inactive junior middleweight. okay, lets assume it had to be a sh!t opponent on short notice, fine, defend it from that perspective. but dont seriously try to talk vanes up like something good.

let me guess, you probably spouted stuff like jacobs weighed like 200 pounds, and that every time ggg gets hit its only because he wants to

You are an utter idiot. No way Derevo will be ready so quickly and no way he will want to fight for 300-400k.

Why? Has Derevo accomplished so much in his brief pro career that he's worth more than $300,000 - $400,000?

Let him beat some big names. Let him win one of those ubiquitous championships before he holds out for multi million dollar purses.

He's a complete unknown to the casual fan.

[Badhusker]

I just hope it is competitive, and a true 160 pounder. Team GGG definitely has style favorites, and knows ones to avoid.
GGH not having a full camp? BS. He's been training. His opponent will probably have less time.

[boxing_rocks]

lol fighting a two years inactive b level junior middle? instead of a decent top rated middleweight whose his mandatory?

and stop with this talking up of vanes, omg he was competitive in his losses. dudes a b level inactive junior middleweight. okay, lets assume it had to be a sh!t opponent on short notice, fine, defend it from that perspective. but dont seriously try to talk vanes up like something good.

let me guess, you probably spouted stuff like jacobs weighed like 200 pounds, and that every time ggg gets hit its only because he wants to

You are an utter idiot. No way Derevo will be ready so quickly and no way he will want to fight for 300-400k.

Why? Has Derevo accomplished so much in his brief pro career that he's worth more than $300,000 - $400,000?

Let him beat some big names. Let him win one of those ubiquitous championships before he holds out for multi million dollar purses.

He's a complete unknown to the casual fan.

First of all, 300-400k out of 1m would be very generous. Golovkin probably hasn't had a purse under 750k since the Stevens fight. Second of all, with a normally planned and promoted fight, Derevo would earn at least a double of 300-400k.

[SenorPipino]

What's Golovkin's guarantee?

Has it been chopped dramatically since Canelo withdrew and the fight card was pulled from PPV?

[boxing_rocks]

What's Golovkin's guarantee?

Has it been chopped dramatically since Canelo withdrew and the fight card was pulled from PPV?

1 mil total to both boxers:

multiple sources have informed BS.com that approximately $1 million will be paid to help cover the purses of Golovkin and his opponent.

[Blodhemn]

Piss poor purse, relatively speaking. They're not going to get anybody good that'd be willing get short changed. Really should consider moving the fight to June to secure a better opponent(though even that doesn't seem a sure shot either). Waste of time, thanks Canelo.

[jamamb]

thx canelo and tom LOL-effler

[SenorPipino]

What's Golovkin's guarantee?

Has it been chopped dramatically since Canelo withdrew and the fight card was pulled from PPV?

1 mil total to both boxers:

multiple sources have informed BS.com that approximately $1 million will be paid to help cover the purses of Golovkin and his opponent.

So Golovkin probably gets 80% of the pot. Maybe a bit more.

About $200,000 is pretty good for Vanes, who probably hasn't earned that much in his entire career.

But I can see Spike walking away from it.
Especially if he can wait 6 to 12 months and then pull down much more than that versus Canelo.