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punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:45

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:20

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 11:39

You're not far smarter than anyone and a beard is in no way comparable to 8 ounces of tightly wound horsehair.

You haven't offered up anything other than your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Beard hair compresses upon impact, therefore it absorbs energy. That is not disputed, it's an out & out fact. You need to bring something more to the table than your own guess work, that the energy absorbed by beard hair is too tiny to have an effect.



We know this guys beard would absorb some of energy if he is hit by an uppercut. You say the amount of energy is irrelevant, but have nothing to back that up, other than a ridiculous calculation that his beard weighs the same as a teaspoon of sugar.

No, you have offered unsubstantiated opinion. My calculation was based upon the weight of hair.

Here's another:

http://scienceblogs.com/builtonfacts/20 ... -rapunzel/

45 inches of head hair weighed 14 ounces, or .31 ounces per inch. That puts 4 inches of hair at 1.2 ounces. A beard has 1/3 the hairs that the head has--so that 4 inch beard would weigh about .4 ounces or 11 grams. A little higher than my initial post but it is also giving the beard the benefit of being 4 inches on all sides which would not be the case unless we're talking about Wooly Willy.

So now you have more than doubled your calculation of what a heavy beard might weigh? You estimate now a beard weighs 5% the weight of a glove. Why not try it a 3rd time? Maybe it will outweigh a glove after you have a few more goes.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:08

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:45

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:20

You haven't offered up anything other than your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Beard hair compresses upon impact, therefore it absorbs energy. That is not disputed, it's an out & out fact. You need to bring something more to the table than your own guess work, that the energy absorbed by beard hair is too tiny to have an effect.



We know this guys beard would absorb some of energy if he is hit by an uppercut. You say the amount of energy is irrelevant, but have nothing to back that up, other than a ridiculous calculation that his beard weighs the same as a teaspoon of sugar.

No, you have offered unsubstantiated opinion. My calculation was based upon the weight of hair.

Here's another:

http://scienceblogs.com/builtonfacts/20 ... -rapunzel/

45 inches of head hair weighed 14 ounces, or .31 ounces per inch. That puts 4 inches of hair at 1.2 ounces. A beard has 1/3 the hairs that the head has--so that 4 inch beard would weigh about .4 ounces or 11 grams. A little higher than my initial post but it is also giving the beard the benefit of being 4 inches on all sides which would not be the case unless we're talking about Wooly Willy.

So now you have more than doubled your calculation of what a heavy beard might weigh? You estimate now a beard weighs 5% the weight of a glove. Why not try it a 3rd time? Maybe it will outweigh a glove after you have a few more goes.

A 4 inch on all sides beard would weigh .4 ounces. Have you seen many beards with sides equal to the chin? Obviously the beard will weigh less. You have no argument aside from posting pictures of hipsters and talking about sugar. Have some self respect and stop. You're in over your head.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:15

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:08

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 12:45

No, you have offered unsubstantiated opinion. My calculation was based upon the weight of hair.

Here's another:

http://scienceblogs.com/builtonfacts/20 ... -rapunzel/

45 inches of head hair weighed 14 ounces, or .31 ounces per inch. That puts 4 inches of hair at 1.2 ounces. A beard has 1/3 the hairs that the head has--so that 4 inch beard would weigh about .4 ounces or 11 grams. A little higher than my initial post but it is also giving the beard the benefit of being 4 inches on all sides which would not be the case unless we're talking about Wooly Willy.

So now you have more than doubled your calculation of what a heavy beard might weigh? You estimate now a beard weighs 5% the weight of a glove. Why not try it a 3rd time? Maybe it will outweigh a glove after you have a few more goes.

A 4 inch on all sides beard would weigh .4 ounces. Have you seen many beards with sides equal to the chin? Obviously the beard will weigh less. You have no argument aside from posting pictures of hipsters and talking about sugar. Have some self respect and stop. You're in over your head.

A punch that lands on the above fellas chin, it must first compress the hair on his chin, before the force reaches his jaw bone, correct?

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:22

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:15

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:08


So now you have more than doubled your calculation of what a heavy beard might weigh? You estimate now a beard weighs 5% the weight of a glove. Why not try it a 3rd time? Maybe it will outweigh a glove after you have a few more goes.

A 4 inch on all sides beard would weigh .4 ounces. Have you seen many beards with sides equal to the chin? Obviously the beard will weigh less. You have no argument aside from posting pictures of hipsters and talking about sugar. Have some self respect and stop. You're in over your head.

A punch that lands on the above fellas chin, it must first compress the hair on his chin, before the force reaches his jaw bone, correct?

Approximately 3.5-4 grams of hair will compress, yes. This will not have any impact on the force of the punch. Armed with this knowledge you can approach the rest of your day with a smile!

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:32

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:22

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:15

A 4 inch on all sides beard would weigh .4 ounces. Have you seen many beards with sides equal to the chin? Obviously the beard will weigh less. You have no argument aside from posting pictures of hipsters and talking about sugar. Have some self respect and stop. You're in over your head.

A punch that lands on the above fellas chin, it must first compress the hair on his chin, before the force reaches his jaw bone, correct?

Approximately 3.5-4 grams of hair will compress, yes. This will not have any impact on the force of the punch. Armed with this knowledge you can approach the rest of your day with a smile!

How many grams of hair inside the glove will compress?

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:39

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:32

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:22

A punch that lands on the above fellas chin, it must first compress the hair on his chin, before the force reaches his jaw bone, correct?

Approximately 3.5-4 grams of hair will compress, yes. This will not have any impact on the force of the punch. Armed with this knowledge you can approach the rest of your day with a smile!

How many grams of hair inside the glove will compress?

Adding 3-4 grams on top will not make a difference. I'm becoming painfully aware that you're trolling.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:49

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:39

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:32

Approximately 3.5-4 grams of hair will compress, yes. This will not have any impact on the force of the punch. Armed with this knowledge you can approach the rest of your day with a smile!

How many grams of hair inside the glove will compress?

Adding 3-4 grams on top will not make a difference. I'm becoming painfully aware that you're trolling.

This study concluded that adding 4g of foam padding to punches (thrown by both pro's and amatuers) reduced the power of impact by 12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_Punchers


Game. Set. Match.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:08

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:49

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:39


How many grams of hair inside the glove will compress?

Adding 3-4 grams on top will not make a difference. I'm becoming painfully aware that you're trolling.

This study concluded that adding 4g of foam padding to punches (thrown by both pro's and amatuers) reduced the power of impact by 12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_Punchers


Game. Set. Match.

I was unaware we were talking about foam beards, I was under the impression we were talking about beards made of hair.

You're embarrassing yourself.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:08

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:49

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:39


How many grams of hair inside the glove will compress?

Adding 3-4 grams on top will not make a difference. I'm becoming painfully aware that you're trolling.

This study concluded that adding 4g of foam padding to punches (thrown by both pro's and amatuers) reduced the power of impact by 12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_Punchers


Game. Set. Match.

It's a fugging beard it ain't foam.
You are truly embarrassing yourself.
This topic is getting ridiculous

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:11

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:08

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:49

Adding 3-4 grams on top will not make a difference. I'm becoming painfully aware that you're trolling.

This study concluded that adding 4g of foam padding to punches (thrown by both pro's and amatuers) reduced the power of impact by 12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_Punchers


Game. Set. Match.

I was unaware we were talking about foam beards, I was under the impression we were talking about beards made of hair.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Hair. Foam. Cotton. All have been used inside gloves due to their elasticity and compression quality. Like I've been explaining to your sorry ass, that a coarse enough beard will compress and absorb energy before that energy reaches the jawbone. This isn't disputed. You only dispute how much of the blow will be absorbed by the hair padding. You seem to think the weight of the hair is the biggest factor, that its only 4g (total guess on your part). Yet a scientific study has shown that it only takes 4g of foam compression to reduce punching force by 12%.

You're done.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:15

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:08

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 16:49

Adding 3-4 grams on top will not make a difference. I'm becoming painfully aware that you're trolling.

This study concluded that adding 4g of foam padding to punches (thrown by both pro's and amatuers) reduced the power of impact by 12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_Punchers


Game. Set. Match.

It's a fugging beard it ain't foam.
You are truly embarrassing yourself.
This topic is getting ridiculous

Heres an idea Tiny, go grab your murkin and some duc tape, stick it to the punch machine in your local arcade and see how it affects your high score.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:16

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:11

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:08

This study concluded that adding 4g of foam padding to punches (thrown by both pro's and amatuers) reduced the power of impact by 12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_Punchers


Game. Set. Match.

I was unaware we were talking about foam beards, I was under the impression we were talking about beards made of hair.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Hair. Foam. Cotton. All have been used inside gloves due to their elasticity and compression quality. Like I've been explaining to your sorry ass, that a coarse enough beard will compress and absorb energy before that energy reaches the jawbone. This isn't disputed. You only dispute how much of the blow will be absorbed by the hair padding. You seem to think the weight of the hair is the biggest factor, that its only 4g (total guess on your part). Yet a scientific study has shown that it only takes 4g of foam compression to reduce punching force by 12%.

You're done.

Let's say you add 4grams to a glove .
A glove will enclose the 4grams. Giving more protection in a specific area.
A beard moves freely and is bot enclosed.
It's comparing Apple's to oranges

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:19

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:16

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:11

I was unaware we were talking about foam beards, I was under the impression we were talking about beards made of hair.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Hair. Foam. Cotton. All have been used inside gloves due to their elasticity and compression quality. Like I've been explaining to your sorry ass, that a coarse enough beard will compress and absorb energy before that energy reaches the jawbone. This isn't disputed. You only dispute how much of the blow will be absorbed by the hair padding. You seem to think the weight of the hair is the biggest factor, that its only 4g (total guess on your part). Yet a scientific study has shown that it only takes 4g of foam compression to reduce punching force by 12%.

You're done.

Let's say you add 4grams to a glove .
A glove will enclose the 4grams. Giving more protection in a specific area.
A beard moves freely and is bot enclosed.
It's comparing Apple's to oranges

Moves freely? Its attached to the target zone, permanantly. You cant land a shot on a heavily bearded chin without compressing the beard hair first.

We have established by matter of fact that the hair absorbs energy. Theonly question is to what extent? 12% like the 4g of foam in the study? Or half that, 6%? 3%?

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:16

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:11

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:08

This study concluded that adding 4g of foam padding to punches (thrown by both pro's and amatuers) reduced the power of impact by 12%.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... d_Punchers


Game. Set. Match.

I was unaware we were talking about foam beards, I was under the impression we were talking about beards made of hair.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Hair. Foam. Cotton. All have been used inside gloves due to their elasticity and compression quality. Like I've been explaining to your sorry ass, that a coarse enough beard will compress and absorb energy before that energy reaches the jawbone. This isn't disputed. You only dispute how much of the blow will be absorbed by the hair padding. You seem to think the weight of the hair is the biggest factor, that its only 4g (total guess on your part). Yet a scientific study has shown that it only takes 4g of foam compression to reduce punching force by 12%.

You're done.

Hair and foam are not the same thing. Hair and foam do not share the same density.

Repeat after me: hair and foam are not the same thing.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:28

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:16

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:11

I was unaware we were talking about foam beards, I was under the impression we were talking about beards made of hair.

You're embarrassing yourself.

Hair. Foam. Cotton. All have been used inside gloves due to their elasticity and compression quality. Like I've been explaining to your sorry ass, that a coarse enough beard will compress and absorb energy before that energy reaches the jawbone. This isn't disputed. You only dispute how much of the blow will be absorbed by the hair padding. You seem to think the weight of the hair is the biggest factor, that its only 4g (total guess on your part). Yet a scientific study has shown that it only takes 4g of foam compression to reduce punching force by 12%.

You're done.

Hair and foam are not the same thing. Hair and foam do not share the same density.

Repeat after me: hair and foam are not the same thing.

Repeat after me, both hair & foam are used to pad pfofessional boxing gloves.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:40

Honestly looks like my buddy Chazz

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:52

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:40

Honestly looks like my buddy Chazz

I bet Chazz could take your best shot with those whiskers.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:54

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:52

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:40

Honestly looks like my buddy Chazz

I bet Chazz could take your best shot with those whiskers.

I have an 8 inch goatee. It doesn't help

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:55

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:54

tiny_acres wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:52

Honestly looks like my buddy Chazz

I bet Chazz could take your best shot with those whiskers.

I have an 8 inch goatee. It doesn't help

I got kicked in the groin last week playing soccer, would have been worse if i had freshly shaved pubes.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:32

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:28

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:16

Hair. Foam. Cotton. All have been used inside gloves due to their elasticity and compression quality. Like I've been explaining to your sorry ass, that a coarse enough beard will compress and absorb energy before that energy reaches the jawbone. This isn't disputed. You only dispute how much of the blow will be absorbed by the hair padding. You seem to think the weight of the hair is the biggest factor, that its only 4g (total guess on your part). Yet a scientific study has shown that it only takes 4g of foam compression to reduce punching force by 12%.

You're done.

Hair and foam are not the same thing. Hair and foam do not share the same density.

Repeat after me: hair and foam are not the same thing.

Repeat after me, both hair & foam are used to pad pfofessional boxing gloves.

Beard hair, tightly wound and packed horse hair, and a foam cylinder are not the same thing.

Congratulations on being the most stupid poster I have come across on boxrec. That is an achievement.

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:18

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:32

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:28

Hair and foam are not the same thing. Hair and foam do not share the same density.

Repeat after me: hair and foam are not the same thing.

Repeat after me, both hair & foam are used to pad pfofessional boxing gloves.

Beard hair, tightly wound and packed horse hair, and a foam cylinder are not the same thing.

Congratulations on being the most stupid poster I have come across on boxrec. That is an achievement.

Accept your defeat with a little more dignity.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:19

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:18

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 17:32

Repeat after me, both hair & foam are used to pad pfofessional boxing gloves.

Beard hair, tightly wound and packed horse hair, and a foam cylinder are not the same thing.

Congratulations on being the most stupid poster I have come across on boxrec. That is an achievement.

Accept your defeat with a little more dignity.

You've not even come close to making an actual argument. Will you start talking about sugar again soon?

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:24

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:19

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:18

Beard hair, tightly wound and packed horse hair, and a foam cylinder are not the same thing.

Congratulations on being the most stupid poster I have come across on boxrec. That is an achievement.

Accept your defeat with a little more dignity.

You've not even come close to making an actual argument. Will you start talking about sugar again soon?

I'm still wondering what yours is?

I found an actual scientific experiment that proves that just 4 grams of foam padding can reduce the force of a punch delivered by a professional fighter by an average of 12%. Ive offered up significantly more evidence than you. You're rebuttal was to bitch and moan that 4g foam padding isn't a fair comparison with a heavy beard. Perhaps not but until someone produces scientific results it's the closest comparison we have to go on.

So in the meantime, given this is entirely a numbers game, why dont you give me your best estimate to the following;

2 identical uppercuts are delivered to this gentleman by a professional welterweight wearing 8oz fight gloves:



The ONLY variable is that in uppercut #1 the gentleman is clean shaven therefore no resistance is offered by his facial hair. In uppercut #2, the shot must travel up through those thick few inches of beard hair before landing on the jaw line.

Q: in your best estimation, in terms of %, how much less force is applied in uppercut #2?

* just as another quick point of reference which may or may not help you make such an estimate; latest up-to-date test results on headgear before they got rid of them showed a reduction of 66% in force.

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:36

punchoutsb wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:24

happyNY18 wrote: ↑24 Apr 2018, 18:19

Accept your defeat with a little more dignity.

You've not even come close to making an actual argument. Will you start talking about sugar again soon?

I'm still wondering what yours is?

I found an actual scientific experiment that proves that just 4 grams of foam padding can reduce the force of a punch delivered by a professional fighter by an average of 12%. Ive offered up significantly more evidence than you. You're rebuttal was to bitch and moan that 4g foam padding isn't a fair comparison with a heavy beard. Perhaps not but until someone produces scientific results it's the closest comparison we have to go on.

So in the meantime, given this is entirely a numbers game, why dont you give me your best estimate to the following;

2 identical uppercuts are delivered to this gentleman by a professional welterweight wearing 8oz fight gloves:



The ONLY variable is that in uppercut #1 the gentleman is clean shaven therefore no resistance is offered by his facial hair. In uppercut #2, the shot must travel up through those thick few inches of beard hair before landing on the jaw line.

Q: in your best estimation, in terms of %, how much less force is applied in uppercut #2?

You're wondering because you lack mental capacity. If you cannot see the difference between a foam cylinder and a beard, you are a moron. And I don't mean that as an insult, I mean it in the truest sense of the word. You are a moron.

I have already given you multiple numbers, but your lack of intelligence has not allowed you to follow them. Instead you have gone off on tangents about sugar and foam cylinders. You actually seem to believe that a foam cylinder sitting horizontally across the knuckles is the same as beard hairs growing vertically from the face. You seem to believe that beards weigh close to half a pound. You seem to believe that 4 grams and 8 ounces are comparable. You have provided zero evidence on anything except the fact that dense foam absorbs force. Congratulations, you now know what literally everyone else on planet earth already knew.

I won't be responding to you anymore. I feel bad for even engaging with you in the first place. I volunteer with the Special Olympics, I don't argue with them.