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dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:23

Metal Fingers wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 09:52

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 09:35

The circumstances are different for this fight though. That's the entire point.

Name the times in history when a fight was planned between an American and a UK fighter where the UK one was making ten times that domestically that the American was.

You don't understand how these types of fights work.

Look - we know what's happened here. We've both asked an essentially rhetorical question. You know money making fights happen in America over Britain, but you also know that there's not really a historical precedent for a champion like Joshua earning so much more than a champion like Wilder.

In a related point, it seems odd that you refer to what Joshua has been doing as treading water. He's won three of the four heavyweight belts in the last two years and earned more than Wilder has done in 40 fights. It's not bad for staying still.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:27

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:23

Metal Fingers wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 09:52

You don't understand how these types of fights work.

Look - we know what's happened here. We've both asked an essentially rhetorical question. You know money making fights happen in America over Britain, but you also know that there's not really a historical precedent for a champion like Joshua earning so much more than a champion like Wilder.

In a related point, it seems odd that you refer to what Joshua has been doing as treading water. He's won three of the four heavyweight belts in the last two years and earned more than Wilder has done in 40 fights. It's not bad for staying still.

Dirk, I can’t remember if it was you questioning (telling) Spud something about something he actually worked on, now you’re pulling rank on Terry! Are you really Britain’s Al Haymon or something behind the scenes? Your knowledge is off the scale!

Mimmy wrote: ↑17 May 2018, 11:25It seems like we are very nearly there. Boxing's biggest cold war is very nearly over.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:38

mickey1975 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:27

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:23

Look - we know what's happened here. We've both asked an essentially rhetorical question. You know money making fights happen in America over Britain, but you also know that there's not really a historical precedent for a champion like Joshua earning so much more than a champion like Wilder.

In a related point, it seems odd that you refer to what Joshua has been doing as treading water. He's won three of the four heavyweight belts in the last two years and earned more than Wilder has done in 40 fights. It's not bad for staying still.

Dirk, I can’t remember if it was you questioning (telling) Spud something about something he actually worked on, now you’re pulling rank on Terry! Are you really Britain’s Al Haymon or something behind the scenes? Your knowledge is off the scale!

thats nothing, he actually knows the content of King_Tubby's wallet better than KT himself does... now that's a talent

mickey1975 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:27

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:23

Metal Fingers wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 09:52

You don't understand how these types of fights work.

Look - we know what's happened here. We've both asked an essentially rhetorical question. You know money making fights happen in America over Britain, but you also know that there's not really a historical precedent for a champion like Joshua earning so much more than a champion like Wilder.

In a related point, it seems odd that you refer to what Joshua has been doing as treading water. He's won three of the four heavyweight belts in the last two years and earned more than Wilder has done in 40 fights. It's not bad for staying still.

Dirk, I can’t remember if it was you questioning (telling) Spud something about something he actually worked on, now you’re pulling rank on Terry! Are you really Britain’s Al Haymon or something behind the scenes? Your knowledge is off the scale!

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:36 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42264265

29,000 British came to Vegas for the Mayweather vs Hatton fight. The week of the fight is still to this day one of Vegas Casinos biggest money weeks.
This is why and how this fight will pay Joshua 50 million and Wilder over 25 million.
The fight will make Vegas a ton more than they are willing to pay out.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:27

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:23

Metal Fingers wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 09:52

You don't understand how these types of fights work.

Look - we know what's happened here. We've both asked an essentially rhetorical question. You know money making fights happen in America over Britain, but you also know that there's not really a historical precedent for a champion like Joshua earning so much more than a champion like Wilder.

In a related point, it seems odd that you refer to what Joshua has been doing as treading water. He's won three of the four heavyweight belts in the last two years and earned more than Wilder has done in 40 fights. It's not bad for staying still.

Dirk, I can’t remember if it was you questioning (telling) Spud something about something he actually worked on, now you’re pulling rank on Terry! Are you really Britain’s Al Haymon or something behind the scenes? Your knowledge is off the scale!

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:50

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:36 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42264265

29,000 British came to Vegas for the Mayweather vs Hatton fight. The week of the fight is still to this day one of Vegas Casinos biggest money weeks.
This is why and how this fight will pay Joshua 50 million and Wilder over 25 million.
The fight will make Vegas a ton more than they are willing to pay out.

Hatton had a good reputation for travelling fans. Does Joshua?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:08

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:50

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:36 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42264265

29,000 British came to Vegas for the Mayweather vs Hatton fight. The week of the fight is still to this day one of Vegas Casinos biggest money weeks.
This is why and how this fight will pay Joshua 50 million and Wilder over 25 million.
The fight will make Vegas a ton more than they are willing to pay out.

Hatton had a good reputation for travelling fans. Does Joshua?

Well considering that Joshua is out drawing Hatton' s numbers. The big boys in Vegas are counting on it

Metal Fingers wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:15

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:08

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:50

Hatton had a good reputation for travelling fans. Does Joshua?

Well considering that Joshua is out drawing Hatton' s numbers. The big boys in Vegas are counting on it

Hatton built that support gradually and it was a different type of boxing fan. A lot of joshua's fans may see a fight over there as some kind of betrayal of their core tenets. The casinos are more likely to bank on the high rollers turning up to be part of the event rather than wondering whether Tim from Luton will spend 50 cents on a slot machine to blag a free burger and beer.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:17

Metal Fingers wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:15

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:08

Well considering that Joshua is out drawing Hatton' s numbers. The big boys in Vegas are counting on it

Hatton built that support gradually and it was a different type of boxing fan. A lot of joshua's fans may see a fight over there as some kind of betrayal of their core tenets. The casinos are more likely to bank on the high rollers turning up to be part of the event rather than wondering whether Tim from Luton will spend 50 cents on a slot machine to blag a free burger and beer.

To fly from England to Vegas and spend 8a week in a hotel ain't cheap.
It's not going to be 50 cent gamblers showing up

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:08

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:50

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:36 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42264265

29,000 British came to Vegas for the Mayweather vs Hatton fight. The week of the fight is still to this day one of Vegas Casinos biggest money weeks.
This is why and how this fight will pay Joshua 50 million and Wilder over 25 million.
The fight will make Vegas a ton more than they are willing to pay out.

Hatton had a good reputation for travelling fans. Does Joshua?

Well considering that Joshua is out drawing Hatton' s numbers. The big boys in Vegas are counting on it

Naandrew wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 12:11

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 11:08

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:50

Hatton had a good reputation for travelling fans. Does Joshua?

Well considering that Joshua is out drawing Hatton' s numbers. The big boys in Vegas are counting on it

But you are ignoring the PPV element of the fight which is where the bulk of the money is generated. For starters Joshua v Wilder is NOT PPV in America. Sure they could put it on but that doesn't mean it will do buys.

It would be over here regardless of location but a UK PPV starting at 10pm sells more than one starting at 3am in America. Sure Hattons fights against Mayweather and Pacquaio were at 3am but they were against the biggest names in boxing in their peak which were also PPV in America.

I doubt the Wilder fight does more buys than the Klitschko fight. Wilders just not a big name globally like Klitschko.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:50

tiny_acres wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 10:36 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/42264265

29,000 British came to Vegas for the Mayweather vs Hatton fight. The week of the fight is still to this day one of Vegas Casinos biggest money weeks.
This is why and how this fight will pay Joshua 50 million and Wilder over 25 million.
The fight will make Vegas a ton more than they are willing to pay out.

Hatton had a good reputation for travelling fans. Does Joshua?

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 03:28

nitro5912 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 03:05

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 02:30 Their punching power isn't close

Joshua needs referee stoppages against punch bags, wilder starches them cold. Bruno did the same vs punch bags. He hit harder than Joshua too.

Does he? Not at a decent level he doesn't. Didn't starch Ortiz, didn't starch duhappas.

Wilder has put people to sleep in the ring. Bruno also put people to sleep. I'm talking about having someone kipping on the canvas. Wilder and Bruno did that to their punch bags. Joshua needed referee stoppages. Its ridiculous to say he hits as hard as Bruno or wilder. That doesn't mean he can't KO wilder of course. But to say his power is on par just isn't realistic I'm afraid.

Taansend wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 13:44

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 03:28

nitro5912 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 03:05

Does he? Not at a decent level he doesn't. Didn't starch Ortiz, didn't starch duhappas.

Wilder has put people to sleep in the ring. Bruno also put people to sleep. I'm talking about having someone kipping on the canvas. Wilder and Bruno did that to their punch bags. Joshua needed referee stoppages. Its ridiculous to say he hits as hard as Bruno or wilder. That doesn't mean he can't KO wilder of course. But to say his power is on par just isn't realistic I'm afraid.

There's also different types of power.

Wilder has pretty fast hands so it's the punches you don't see coming that can knock you out. He's also unorthodox so fighters ain't sure where the punches are coming from.

Joshua is more of a classic boxer (don't read too much into that ) so wears fighters down more than one punch kayos.

But I'd say their power is similar, but different - if that makes any sense at all

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 13:45

Taansend wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 13:44

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 03:28

Wilder has put people to sleep in the ring. Bruno also put people to sleep. I'm talking about having someone kipping on the canvas. Wilder and Bruno did that to their punch bags. Joshua needed referee stoppages. Its ridiculous to say he hits as hard as Bruno or wilder. That doesn't mean he can't KO wilder of course. But to say his power is on par just isn't realistic I'm afraid.

There's also different types of power.

Wilder has pretty fast hands so it's the punches you don't see coming that can knock you out. He's also unorthodox so fighters ain't sure where the punches are coming from.

Joshua is more of a classic boxer (don't read too much into that ) so wears fighters down more than one punch kayos.

But I'd say their power is similar, but different - if that makes any sense at all

Sort of like Foreman/Shavers. Shavers is one punch stunning out you go. Foreman thuds you to death.

Taansend wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 13:52

oogiebe wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 13:45

Taansend wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 13:44

There's also different types of power.

Wilder has pretty fast hands so it's the punches you don't see coming that can knock you out. He's also unorthodox so fighters ain't sure where the punches are coming from.

Joshua is more of a classic boxer (don't read too much into that ) so wears fighters down more than one punch kayos.

But I'd say their power is similar, but different - if that makes any sense at all

Sort of like Foreman/Shavers. Shavers is one punch stunning out you go. Foreman thuds you to death.

I was thinking about Foreman as I typed it.

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 07:11

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 06:42

Like a Boss wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 05:25 It wasn't long ago posters were scoffing in chorus at even the possibility the fight could be held in the US. The list of reasons why it couldn't, shouldn't and just won't was absolutely endless.

Of course. The fight clearly makes more money in america.

Except nobody has demonstrated how.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 16:07

dirk2686 wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 07:11

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 06:42

Of course. The fight clearly makes more money in america.

Except nobody has demonstrated how.

You spent about 5 pages on the last thread arguing the same and ridiculing Wilder's bid as not genuine.
Joshua's promoter has repeatedly said that the fight makes more in the States but you still won't have it.

Decision time for AJ. Does he man up or is it going to be the swerve for the easy pickings in Cardiff?

Like a Boss wrote: ↑18 May 2018, 16:31 After initial discussions with Wilder's people - not the more recent ones - Hearn himself came away saying the fight could make more money in Vegas.

Since then we have heard all manner of postulating and chest beating between the teams, but Hearn's initial evaluation - before egos started to get in the way - was the fight could make more in Vegas.