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apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 09:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 08:23

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 08:12

What great 160 pounders in their prime has Hopkins beat ? Joppy ?

The thread is about GGG, but for the record, Hopkins' resume is vastly superior than the Kazakh's.

I previously asked numerous questions that you refused to answer, so I'm not obliged to respond to yours.

I've asked a relevant question and you are not able to come with a damn straight answer about what top-notch natural 160 pounders has Hopkins beaten when he was a mw !

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 16:39

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 09:03

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 08:23
The thread is about GGG, but for the record, Hopkins' resume is vastly superior than the Kazakh's.

I previously asked numerous questions that you refused to answer, so I'm not obliged to respond to yours.

I've asked a relevant question and you are not able to come with a damn straight answer about what top-notch natural 160 pounders has Hopkins beaten when he was a mw !

Also, what natural SFW's did Lomachenko beat when he was at 130 pounds?

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 12:51

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 07:30

caldo2025 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 07:00 GGG is the best Middleweight that i've witnessed personally. In my book, he's still undefeated and if your book doesn't read that way then go screw. All of these idiots saying that GGG isn't an all time great are the same idiots that could talk about Povetkin every single day for some reason. It's the same pack of goons saying the same garbage. If you can't realize the greatness that GGG has brought to the sport then you don't deserve to comment on the historical significance of anything in regards to boxing.

Ahhh, so you've never seen hauler fight. That makes sense. He would have boxed gggs ears off giving up a good bit of weight.

If you mean Hagler then yes I have. As I’ve been watching boxing for almost 40 years. Hagler vs GGG would have been an amazing fight but I’d never say that Hagler would win. No way. GGG has a better chin and jab. That jab would ruin Hagler and I think it would be an unanimous 12 round decision for GGG.

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 20:19 ggg had a similar career in accomplishment to mikkel kessler

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 20:23 ggg has never beaten anyone as good as the guys who beat kessler

paddy chavez wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 17:19

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 16:39

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 09:03

I've asked a relevant question and you are not able to come with a damn straight answer about what top-notch natural 160 pounders has Hopkins beaten when he was a mw !

Also, what natural SFW's did Lomachenko beat when he was at 130 pounds?

Nicolas Walters is a dam sight better at the weight than the middle weights bhop fought

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 21:46 ya, so to me ggg is a similar fighter to guys like dariusz and kessler. although i think maybe at his best he was better then them, but he never fought a good enough opponent or did convingly enough vs his best opponents to prove it

if we are talking whether hes a very good fighter for his time who can get into the hall of fame, i think so, but to me there just isnt enough to say hes a genuine atg

paddy chavez wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 17:19

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 16:39

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 09:03

I've asked a relevant question and you are not able to come with a damn straight answer about what top-notch natural 160 pounders has Hopkins beaten when he was a mw !

Also, what natural SFW's did Lomachenko beat when he was at 130 pounds?

Nicolas Walters is a dam sight better at the weight than the middle weights bhop fought

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 21:25 how do we think oscar shouldve been rated as a mw win? i think he was a great fighter , but simply not at mw, where in his only other showing and in his 5th divison i felt he got a gift vs felly sturm. so as part of his mw resume , i rate hopkins beating de la hoya as no better then if hed beaten sturm at that time. i defo think at mw he had moved really beyond his effectivness point and do not think at all hed somehow legit grown into a mw

of course, i think oscar even as a mw wouldve had little problem with guys like curt and willie. prob beats lem and murray etc too.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 10:52

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 21:25 how do we think oscar shouldve been rated as a mw win? i think he was a great fighter , but simply not at mw, where in his only other showing and in his 5th divison i felt he got a gift vs felly sturm. so as part of his mw resume , i rate hopkins beating de la hoya as no better then if hed beaten sturm at that time. i defo think at mw he had moved really beyond his effectivness point and do not think at all hed somehow legit grown into a mw

of course, i think oscar even as a mw wouldve had little problem with guys like curt and willie. prob beats lem and murray etc too.

DLH lost to Sturm and got a gift from judges. Sturm is a B level fighter like Murray, Geale, Macklin.

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 10:52

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 21:25 how do we think oscar shouldve been rated as a mw win? i think he was a great fighter , but simply not at mw, where in his only other showing and in his 5th divison i felt he got a gift vs felly sturm. so as part of his mw resume , i rate hopkins beating de la hoya as no better then if hed beaten sturm at that time. i defo think at mw he had moved really beyond his effectivness point and do not think at all hed somehow legit grown into a mw

of course, i think oscar even as a mw wouldve had little problem with guys like curt and willie. prob beats lem and murray etc too.

DLH lost to Sturm and got a gift from judges. Sturm is a B level fighter like Murray, Geale, Macklin.

littlepug wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 11:16

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 10:52

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 21:25 how do we think oscar shouldve been rated as a mw win? i think he was a great fighter , but simply not at mw, where in his only other showing and in his 5th divison i felt he got a gift vs felly sturm. so as part of his mw resume , i rate hopkins beating de la hoya as no better then if hed beaten sturm at that time. i defo think at mw he had moved really beyond his effectivness point and do not think at all hed somehow legit grown into a mw

of course, i think oscar even as a mw wouldve had little problem with guys like curt and willie. prob beats lem and murray etc too.

DLH lost to Sturm and got a gift from judges. Sturm is a B level fighter like Murray, Geale, Macklin.

Sturm above those guys, 23 world title fights with 16 being wins and 2 drawn, not bad stats at all

paddy chavez wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 17:19

Lackeos wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 16:39

apollo creed wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 09:03

I've asked a relevant question and you are not able to come with a damn straight answer about what top-notch natural 160 pounders has Hopkins beaten when he was a mw !

Also, what natural SFW's did Lomachenko beat when he was at 130 pounds?

Nicolas Walters is a dam sight better at the weight than the middle weights bhop fought

littlepug wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 11:16

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 10:52

jamamb wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 21:25 how do we think oscar shouldve been rated as a mw win? i think he was a great fighter , but simply not at mw, where in his only other showing and in his 5th divison i felt he got a gift vs felly sturm. so as part of his mw resume , i rate hopkins beating de la hoya as no better then if hed beaten sturm at that time. i defo think at mw he had moved really beyond his effectivness point and do not think at all hed somehow legit grown into a mw

of course, i think oscar even as a mw wouldve had little problem with guys like curt and willie. prob beats lem and murray etc too.

DLH lost to Sturm and got a gift from judges. Sturm is a B level fighter like Murray, Geale, Macklin.

Sturm above those guys, 23 world title fights with 16 being wins and 2 drawn, not bad stats at all

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 15:57

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 12:51

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 07:30
Ahhh, so you've never seen hauler fight. That makes sense. He would have boxed gggs ears off giving up a good bit of weight.

If you mean Hagler then yes I have. As I’ve been watching boxing for almost 40 years. Hagler vs GGG would have been an amazing fight but I’d never say that Hagler would win. No way. GGG has a better chin and jab. That jab would ruin Hagler and I think it would be an unanimous 12 round decision for GGG.

Marvin had a much better jab and his movement was a million times better. Better chin than hagler ? I'd rate Marvin's as the best Ive seen in any weight class.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 19:24

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 12:51

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑20 Oct 2018, 07:30
Ahhh, so you've never seen hauler fight. That makes sense. He would have boxed gggs ears off giving up a good bit of weight.

If you mean Hagler then yes I have. As I’ve been watching boxing for almost 40 years. Hagler vs GGG would have been an amazing fight but I’d never say that Hagler would win. No way. GGG has a better chin and jab. That jab would ruin Hagler and I think it would be an unanimous 12 round decision for GGG.

For me Golovkin and Hagler had much in common. Golovkin is our era's Hagler, and just like Hagler will only be truly appreciated once he's gone.

Both were pressing fighters, they could box beautifully but usually preferred to attack, dismantle and destroy.

Both had superhuman chins. Hearns hit Hagler with everything and even ended up breaking his hand before he could break Marvin. There was some talk that Hagler had once been dropped, but that's all it was.

Both were seen as outsiders and had to climb to the top the hardest way possible. You'd never now believe how hard it was for Hagler to get any credit during his career.

If they had any weakness you could argue that both lacked the mercurial speed of a SRL, but so did everyone else!

Finally, both of these outstanding champions got cheated in Las Vegas by the so-called A sides, GGG twice. Marvin, so disgusted with the system that he felt was always working against him had finally seen enough and decided to walk away for good.

caldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2018, 07:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 15:57

caldo2025 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 12:51

If you mean Hagler then yes I have. As I’ve been watching boxing for almost 40 years. Hagler vs GGG would have been an amazing fight but I’d never say that Hagler would win. No way. GGG has a better chin and jab. That jab would ruin Hagler and I think it would be an unanimous 12 round decision for GGG.

Marvin had a much better jab and his movement was a million times better. Better chin than hagler ? I'd rate Marvin's as the best Ive seen in any weight class.

I disagree with you completely but we all have our favorites and you picked a good one. I've seen them all and i've never seen anyone EVER that I could say "He'd definitely beat GGG". Not one of them. No one has beaten GGG still and everyone knows it. He's been a great champion and great for the sport.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2018, 23:18

caldo2025 wrote: ↑24 Oct 2018, 07:31

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑21 Oct 2018, 15:57

Marvin had a much better jab and his movement was a million times better. Better chin than hagler ? I'd rate Marvin's as the best Ive seen in any weight class.

I disagree with you completely but we all have our favorites and you picked a good one. I've seen them all and i've never seen anyone EVER that I could say "He'd definitely beat GGG". Not one of them. No one has beaten GGG still and everyone knows it. He's been a great champion and great for the sport.

I'm more of a ggg fan than I was of hagler. I'm a hearns and Duran fan. I thought canelo won the rematch. There are no certainties in boxing, but stylistically Marvin would be a significant favorite.