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I really think this is a 50 / 50 fight with Wilder having a punchers chance.
I don't see Wilder winning on points unless there's a fix.
However, if Wilder presses relentlessly he could force a Fury gas out in the later rounds and then POP Zzzzzzz.
Fury needs to sloooooooow the fight down, jab and hug frustrating windmill boy so he gases instead and
ride out to a boring UD.
Go Tyson

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:43
Ok, now I have suffered your drivel. You are utterly lacking in any semblance of objectivity when it comes to Wilder.

That ludicrously long failure of a post clearly illustrates your bias against Wilder and confirms that you are a much more disingenuous hater than Gil is.

Go ahead, construct another wall of words to rationalize your blind hate.

How does that post 'clearly illustrate' an uncompromising bias? Slim clearly states a pro/con argument with a not so fundamentalist conclusion.

Sometimes I think there must be two Wilders.

Whilst he's better than some give him credit for he's hardly the proven invincible boxer with granite chin and one punch knockout power that offers seem to be suggesting. There's plenty of weaknesses there and he's largely unproven against top level opposition.

I don't see this fight going to points. I think both guys will be going for the ko. Unlike some others I think Fury is perfectly capable of knocking Wilder out.

First guy who gets through with the telling punches takes it I think. It's 50/50 for me and the poll on here is currently 54/46 in Wilder's favour which is a pretty even split.

They're both flawed. I agree fury can stop him, he just can't glide around the ring on a magic carpet and box circles around him.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 12:48

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:43
Ok, now I have suffered your drivel. You are utterly lacking in any semblance of objectivity when it comes to Wilder.

That ludicrously long failure of a post clearly illustrates your bias against Wilder and confirms that you are a much more disingenuous hater than Gil is.

Go ahead, construct another wall of words to rationalize your blind hate.

How does that post 'clearly illustrate' an uncompromising bias? Slim clearly states a pro/con argument with a not so fundamentalist conclusion.

He makes claims and states opinions that he has no evidence to back up, and he holds Wilder to a different standard of criticism than he holds other boxers. His feelings are bruised because someone used the word “dishonest” to describe his prejudice, so he goes to great length to rationalize his lack of objectivity, mistakenly believing that it is evidence of objectivity.

He is at least as hateful of Wilder as Gil is of Fury. Sweetskinny just cannot admit it, and THAT is Oto’s point (I think).

lol too much hater talk

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:51

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 12:48

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:43
Ok, now I have suffered your drivel. You are utterly lacking in any semblance of objectivity when it comes to Wilder.

That ludicrously long failure of a post clearly illustrates your bias against Wilder and confirms that you are a much more disingenuous hater than Gil is.

Go ahead, construct another wall of words to rationalize your blind hate.

How does that post 'clearly illustrate' an uncompromising bias? Slim clearly states a pro/con argument with a not so fundamentalist conclusion.

He makes claims and states opinions that he has no evidence to back up, and he holds Wilder to a different standard of criticism than he holds other boxers. His feelings are bruised because someone used the word “dishonest” to describe his prejudice, so he goes to great length to rationalize his lack of objectivity, mistakenly believing that it is evidence of objectivity.

He is at least as hateful of Wilder as Gil is of Fury. Sweetskinny just cannot admit it, and THAT is Oto’s point (I think).

Gil doesn't make stuff up. If slim treated wilder and fury equally he'd agree with Gil.

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:51

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 12:48

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 08:43
Ok, now I have suffered your drivel. You are utterly lacking in any semblance of objectivity when it comes to Wilder.

That ludicrously long failure of a post clearly illustrates your bias against Wilder and confirms that you are a much more disingenuous hater than Gil is.

Go ahead, construct another wall of words to rationalize your blind hate.

How does that post 'clearly illustrate' an uncompromising bias? Slim clearly states a pro/con argument with a not so fundamentalist conclusion.

He makes claims and states opinions that he has no evidence to back up, and he holds Wilder to a different standard of criticism than he holds other boxers. His feelings are bruised because someone used the word “dishonest” to describe his prejudice, so he goes to great length to rationalize his lack of objectivity, mistakenly believing that it is evidence of objectivity.

He is at least as hateful of Wilder as Gil is of Fury. Sweetskinny just cannot admit it, and THAT is Oto’s point (I think).

You don't have to provide evidence against opinions, otherwise they would not be opinions and instead be facts. However I would like to know which claims he stated which you believe are an unfair reflection of the truth.

I read the post again, and agree there are a couple of statements in there which are a little controversial, but only because they are based on controversial subjects (such as Wilder never actually travelling as far as Russia for the Povetkin fight). That being said, I do on a whole agree with Slim's perspective, but I would like to know specifically which points you disagree on.

People talk about Wilder and Joshua not fighting "top level competition". The guys they are currently fighting constitute what is presently "top level competition", These lumbering bullocks are what amount to the best there is these days.

Thanks Rob I appreciate your support, If I've been defensive it's because I don't like to be accused of dishonesty. Believe it or not there are people who think I'm far too honest. If I hated Wilder I'd have no problems with saying so. I don't hate any boxer, they are by definition all brave and (mainly) admirable men. I save my hatred for people like Putin who is one dangerous individual.

I've admitted I think Wilder is an asshole and that he is overprotected. I also think he is a very effective fighter despite his obvious technical flaws. I love to watch him fight, nobody could deny his fights are wonderful entertainment.

If that is hatred then I'm guilty so shoot me.. That's all I'm going to say on this subject at least until after the Fury fight which I'm expecting Wilder to win by knockout, although I've come around to thinking Fury does have a chance which is more than I was prepared to give him initially.

Cap wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 18:35 People talk about Wilder and Joshua not fighting "top level competition". The guys they are currently fighting constitute what is presently "top level competition", These lumbering bullocks are what amount to the best there is these days.

This is precisely the mindset of the Tyson Fury camp.

Not too long to find out if they are right.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 18:29

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:51

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 12:48

How does that post 'clearly illustrate' an uncompromising bias? Slim clearly states a pro/con argument with a not so fundamentalist conclusion.

He makes claims and states opinions that he has no evidence to back up, and he holds Wilder to a different standard of criticism than he holds other boxers. His feelings are bruised because someone used the word “dishonest” to describe his prejudice, so he goes to great length to rationalize his lack of objectivity, mistakenly believing that it is evidence of objectivity.

He is at least as hateful of Wilder as Gil is of Fury. Sweetskinny just cannot admit it, and THAT is Oto’s point (I think).

You don't have to provide evidence against opinions, otherwise they would not be opinions and instead be facts. However I would like to know which claims he stated which you believe are an unfair reflection of the truth.

I read the post again, and agree there are a couple of statements in there which are a little controversial, but only because they are based on controversial subjects (such as Wilder never actually travelling as far as Russia for the Povetkin fight). That being said, I do on a whole agree with Slim's perspective, but I would like to know specifically which points you disagree on.

Hell no!! I will not subject myself to another dose of that post.

Sweetskinny has a long history of hate posts related to Wilder. He does NOT apply his prejudiced critical perspective of Wilder to other boxers.

One laborious lamentation of self denial does not erase that history.

I appreciate Sweetskinny as a poster, as I do Gil. Gil is far more self aware of his prejudices than Sweetskinny is, imo.

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 08:56

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 18:29

ironbeard wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 13:51
He makes claims and states opinions that he has no evidence to back up, and he holds Wilder to a different standard of criticism than he holds other boxers. His feelings are bruised because someone used the word “dishonest” to describe his prejudice, so he goes to great length to rationalize his lack of objectivity, mistakenly believing that it is evidence of objectivity.

He is at least as hateful of Wilder as Gil is of Fury. Sweetskinny just cannot admit it, and THAT is Oto’s point (I think).

You don't have to provide evidence against opinions, otherwise they would not be opinions and instead be facts. However I would like to know which claims he stated which you believe are an unfair reflection of the truth.

I read the post again, and agree there are a couple of statements in there which are a little controversial, but only because they are based on controversial subjects (such as Wilder never actually travelling as far as Russia for the Povetkin fight). That being said, I do on a whole agree with Slim's perspective, but I would like to know specifically which points you disagree on.

Hell no!! I will not subject myself to another dose of that post.

Sweetskinny has a long history of hate posts related to Wilder. He does NOT apply his prejudiced critical perspective of Wilder to other boxers.

One laborious lamentation of self denial does not erase that history.

I appreciate Sweetskinny as a poster, as I do Gil. Gil is far more self aware of his prejudices than Sweetskinny is, imo.

It does not sound like you appreciate Slim, as with the pretty childish name calling clearly indicates.

The post in question (which you refuse to read again) presents a very critical case, providing negatives as well as numerous positives (such as being one of his favourite fighters to watch and gave massive credit for coming through the Ortiz test, despite being in a bad way). The negatives are pretty well documented across the board too (with his pretty loud demeanour, or his poor resume for someone who is world champion and 40 fights into his pro career).

If you cannot see the objectivity which drives these opinions, that's your problem, not everyone else's.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 09:59

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 08:56

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑28 Nov 2018, 18:29

You don't have to provide evidence against opinions, otherwise they would not be opinions and instead be facts. However I would like to know which claims he stated which you believe are an unfair reflection of the truth.

I read the post again, and agree there are a couple of statements in there which are a little controversial, but only because they are based on controversial subjects (such as Wilder never actually travelling as far as Russia for the Povetkin fight). That being said, I do on a whole agree with Slim's perspective, but I would like to know specifically which points you disagree on.

Hell no!! I will not subject myself to another dose of that post.

Sweetskinny has a long history of hate posts related to Wilder. He does NOT apply his prejudiced critical perspective of Wilder to other boxers.

One laborious lamentation of self denial does not erase that history.

I appreciate Sweetskinny as a poster, as I do Gil. Gil is far more self aware of his prejudices than Sweetskinny is, imo.

It does not sound like you appreciate Slim, as with the pretty childish name calling clearly indicates.

The post in question (which you refuse to read again) presents a very critical case, providing negatives as well as numerous positives (such as being one of his favourite fighters to watch and gave massive credit for coming through the Ortiz test, despite being in a bad way). The negatives are pretty well documented across the board too (with his pretty loud demeanour, or his poor resume for someone who is world champion and 40 fights into his pro career).

If you cannot see the objectivity which drives these opinions, that's your problem, not everyone else's.

That post makes almost no sense at all.

Which bits confuse you?

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 10:08 Which bits confuse you?

No confusion whatsoever. Your post just makes no sense.

Remind me, again, why does Sweetskinny need your shoulder to cry on?

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 10:11

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 10:08 Which bits confuse you?

No confusion whatsoever. Your post just makes no sense.

Remind me, again, why does Sweetskinny need your shoulder to cry on?

You're not confused by my post, but it makes no sense? Go lie down before you hurt yourself.

I have no affiliation to Slim, just calling you out on your nonsensical and absurd attack.

He doesn't but he still welcomes a bit of balance from a poster who doesn't see hate in every criticism.

I have been loudly critical of Wilder because I have very high expectations of a man who claims the Heavyweight Championship of the World. I've also consistently given him praise when I think it's due.

He is 33 now and in a few years he will be retired As I have said several times on here, I think he's a complete dickhead but boxing will be poorer without him, and I will miss him when he's hung 'em up. That's the truth of it unless you want to add liar to my rap-sheet. Lots of people hate Wilder/ Fury/ Joshua/ A N Other. If I did I would have no qualms about saying so.

lol this whole thread is a shoulder crying thread starting with wilder and then about 5 different directions

ya not like we couldnt post pics of fury on his ass

and omg sconiers dropped wilder 10 years ago but stiverne ktfo scone in 1!! stiv >>> wilder

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 11:29

ironbeard wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 10:11

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 10:08 Which bits confuse you?

No confusion whatsoever. Your post just makes no sense.

Remind me, again, why does Sweetskinny need your shoulder to cry on?

You're not confused by my post, but it makes no sense? Go lie down before you hurt yourself.

I have no affiliation to Slim, just calling you out on your nonsensical and absurd attack.

Pointing out the obvious is not a “nonsensical and absurd attack.”

Your failure to recognize Sweetskinny’s hypocracy is on you. It is obvious that you have your own superficial method of processing words, which leads to confusion on your part.

Sweetskinny can think that he is “honest to a fault,” and maybe he is, but he is hypocritical when it comes to Wilder and gil. Imo.

jamamb wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 12:24 ya not like we couldnt post pics of fury on his ass

and omg sconiers dropped wilder 10 years ago but stiverne ktfo scone in 1!! stiv >>> wilder

8 years ago. Sconiers had only won 4 out of his last 23 fights before meeting Wilder.

By the way, where is the video of round 8 in the Luis Ortiz-Wilder fight? Why has it been censored off the internet?

Deep pocket handlers. What tricks will they be pulling in LA?

8 years ago fury was punching himself in the face.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Nov 2018, 13:12 8 years ago fury was punching himself in the face.

Very true.
Just before the Klitschko fight that video of Fury punching himself in the face was shown non stop on here.
Fury beats Klitschko and all of the sudden the ones making fun of him are calling him a master boxer.