Who deserves a bigger split percentage between Spence and Crawford ? Who is the bigger 'draw' ?

[Ruthless-RKO]

I never understand why nobody ever counters with an offer like "Ok how about this?"

"40/40 split with the other 20% going to the winner" and if that gets shot down "50/40 split with the other 10% going to the winner...so either way you get your 50%, and if you really think you're the top guy you'll get your 60/40 split in the end"

Seems like basic psychology to me. Because at that point you're questioning the guys balls, and confidence in himself so a lot of guys would be more likely to take the offer if you put it like that I'd think.

I read somewhere abour a year ago, when it was first mentioned, It's simialar to waht you said, I'm sure it came from Arum. Saying 45% split, remaining 10% goes to winner.. IF there is a rematch, then that goes more in favour of the winner.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm pretty sure he's factoring in more than their Welterweight careers. Spence only has Welterweight whereas Crawford has previously been a Lightweight and Undisputed Jr. Welterweight Champion.

Not sure he was ever a ratings draw at any of those previous weights, but I think that's what he was going for with the "Overall titles, overall accomplishments" comment.

I’ve always admitted to being a huge fan of Terence Crawford. However, I created a thread in January 2018 predicting the consequences of Bud potentially extending his contract with Top Rank, which ultimately came to fruition.

I wasn’t the only person that made that prediction. It seems that everybody knew that Crawford chose the pay-cheque over legacy defining bouts.

That being said, what Crawford achieved at 140lbs and below was genuinely remarkable.

And in terms of talent alone (definitely not from what we've witnessed by his 147lbs resume), is that he may indeed be the best pound-for-pound fighter on the planet.

However, from a commercial perspective, he’s achieved very little since August 2017. Crawford is definitely the financial B-side to Errol Spence Jr.

Unfortunately, though, Bud is now insisting on receiving 60% of the total purse pot to face Spence Jr., despite being the commercially inferior fighter. I've posted a video of him saying this yesterday.

Like I said before, time doesn’t stand still and Spence Jr. has achieved far more at 147lbs (in a variety of ways) than Crawford has over the last few years.

I posted a lengthy list of factually-accurate comparisons earlier on in this thread that justifies this claim.

[gilgamesh]

People always mention that Crawford was Undisputed at 140, but a lot of people don't bother to mention it was the weakest that division had been in probably 30 or 40 years when he did it.

[Ruthless-RKO]

People always mention that Crawford was Undisputed at 140, but a lot of people don't bother to mention it was the weakest that division had been in probably 30 or 40 years when he did it.

He'll get far more respect for his overall achievements in years to come.

[gilgamesh]

People always mention that Crawford was Undisputed at 140, but a lot of people don't bother to mention it was the weakest that division had been in probably 30 or 40 years when he did it.

He'll get far more respect for his overall achievements in years to come.

Only if he adds to them in a significant way.

If he continues on the path he's on, he'll be considered an all time waste of potential IMO.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm pretty sure he's factoring in more than their Welterweight careers. Spence only has Welterweight whereas Crawford has previously been a Lightweight and Undisputed Jr. Welterweight Champion.

Not sure he was ever a ratings draw at any of those previous weights, but I think that's what he was going for with the "Overall titles, overall accomplishments" comment.

He was one of the HBO's most viewed boxers. Was consistently doing between 900k to 1.3m viewers. Which was much higher than average.

Top Rank’s deal with ESPN commenced during August 2017 and Crawford’s popularity has declined within the last few years, which is reflected by his audience viewing figures.

Time doesn’t stand still. Crawford’s commercial worth has declined, because he’s pretty much faced nobodies or has-beens since he made his debut at 147lbs.

Bud will be approaching 34 years of age the next time we'll see him fight and he hasn't achieved anything of note within the sport of boxing since his twenties.

People are understandably losing interest, to the point that Top Rank are "haemorrhaging" money to stage his fights.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Spence
This iant really a question

[Ruthless-RKO]

Top Rank’s deal with ESPN commenced during August 2017 and Crawford’s popularity has declined within the last few years, which is reflected by his audience viewing figures.

Popularity has declined based on opponents, but this is not reflected in his viewing figures..

His last fight with HBO was against:

Felix Diaz - Fight averaged 961,000 viewers and peaked at 1,036,000.

ESPN debut against:

Julius Indongo - Whole card averaged 965,000 viewers (Unfortunately, there is no individual fight figures, but you can bet the main event, the main attraction did over a million.

Jeff Horn - This was on ESPN+ ( at that time, they had around 3m subs)

Jose Benavidez Jr. - averaged 2.2m viewers and peaked of 2.7m viewers

Egidijus Kavaliauskas - averaged 1,481,000 viewers and peaked 1.6m viewers

Kell Brook - average of 2,029,000 viewers and peak of 2,078,000 viewers

Looks pretty consistent to me..

[skanksta]

50/50 they need each other - it's the only meaningful fight for either.

Anyway, can't Bud sell out the Nebraska Megadome* ?


* I made this up.

[apollo creed]

As I said Spence deserves more atm. He has M. Garcia and Porter as top names that he has fought. Of course that if Spence looks poor vs D. Garcia then the situation is changing. Bud needs to jump on PBC's boat and fight Porter or Ugas.

[Enlightened-One]

Top Rank’s deal with ESPN commenced during August 2017 and Crawford’s popularity has declined within the last few years, which is reflected by his audience viewing figures.

Popularity has declined based on opponents, but this is not reflected in his viewing figures..

His last fight with HBO was against:

Felix Diaz - Fight averaged 961,000 viewers and peaked at 1,036,000.

ESPN debut against:

Julius Indongo - Whole card averaged 965,000 viewers (Unfortunately, there is no individual fight figures, but you can bet the main event, the main attraction did over a million.

Jeff Horn - This was on ESPN+ ( at that time, they had around 3m subs)

Jose Benavidez Jr. - averaged 2.2m viewers and peaked of 2.7m viewers

Egidijus Kavaliauskas - averaged 1,481,000 viewers and peaked 1.6m viewers

Kell Brook - average of 2,029,000 viewers and peak of 2,078,000 viewers

Looks pretty consistent to me..

Admittedly Crawford used to be a popular fighter when he competing on the HBO platform.

However, his ratings have declined since then.

The peak viewing figures for the Brook fight are 26% down from the equivalent numbers Crawford achieved for the Benavidez bout (both non-PPV events).

Crawford’s average viewership for the Kavaliauskas bout was 40% less than the equivalent statistic he achieved against Benavidez.

On a side note, Vasyl Lomachenko's viewing figures have increased over the same timeframe (i.e. since 2018)... and he has the same promoter and network that Crawford uses.

Despite the combined total guaranteed minimum purses being 27% less than the equivalent sums being paid to Crawford & Brook, the peak viewership for the Lomachenko-Lopez bout was 39% bigger.

So you have two fighters working with the same promoter and same network. One of them seems to be growing in popularity, whereas the other appears to be losing their audience.

And when you compare the resume’s of Lomachenko and Crawford since the start of 2018, it doesn’t take a genius to understand the reason why this is happening.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Lopez vs loma was competitive and brook vs Crawford wasnt

Its that simple

I dont think anyone would dount if there was a serious negotiation spence would get a higher percentage

It doesnt really matter this fight isnt happening. If Spence doesnt want it he doesn't have to do it he has other fights at 147 and 154

[gregregegg]

People always mention that Crawford was Undisputed at 140, but a lot of people don't bother to mention it was the weakest that division had been in probably 30 or 40 years when he did it.

Yea, i think that gets overlooked. Victor postol was literally his only properly good win at 140lb.. Undisputed is a fun title, but in reality, as much as crawford is clearly very good, He lacks very good wins.

[gilgamesh]

Lopez vs loma was competitive and brook vs Crawford wasnt

Its that simple

I dont think anyone would dount if there was a serious negotiation spence would get a higher percentage

It doesnt really matter this fight isnt happening. If Spence doesnt want it he doesn't have to do it he has other fights at 147 and 154

Lopez off of beating Loma already ranks ahead of Crawford to me. Hell Lomachenko is just behind Crawford as far as I'm concerned. He gave a fine effort in that fight in spite of losing.

[Enlightened-One]

Lopez vs loma was competitive and brook vs Crawford wasnt

Its that simple

I dont think anyone would dount if there was a serious negotiation spence would get a higher percentage

It doesnt really matter this fight isnt happening. If Spence doesnt want it he doesn't have to do it he has other fights at 147 and 154

Lopez off of beating Loma already ranks ahead of Crawford to me. Hell Lomachenko is just behind Crawford as far as I'm concerned. He gave a fine effort in that fight in spite of losing.

What’s your interpretation of Lomachenko’s performances and opponents since the start of 2018?

And how do they compare to Crawford’s over the same time period?

And what’s your opinion about the reason why Lomachenko’s viewing figures have gradually increased over the last few years, whereas Crawford’s have declined?

I asked the same question to another forum member and they intentionally refrained from answering these questions.

[gilgamesh]

Lopez vs loma was competitive and brook vs Crawford wasnt

Its that simple

I dont think anyone would dount if there was a serious negotiation spence would get a higher percentage

It doesnt really matter this fight isnt happening. If Spence doesnt want it he doesn't have to do it he has other fights at 147 and 154

Lopez off of beating Loma already ranks ahead of Crawford to me. Hell Lomachenko is just behind Crawford as far as I'm concerned. He gave a fine effort in that fight in spite of losing.

What’s your interpretation of Lomachenko’s performances and opponents since the start of 2018?

And how do they compare to Crawford’s over the same time period?

And what’s your opinion about the reason why Lomachenko’s viewing figures have gradually increased over the last few years, whereas Crawford’s have declined?

I asked the same question to another forum member and they intentionally refrained from answering these questions.

I don't remember specifically who all he's fought since the start of 2018, but his performances have been dazzling for the most part. I would think his viewing figures have increased because he's fought more noteworthy opponents, and looked better beating them.

[Enlightened-One]

Lopez off of beating Loma already ranks ahead of Crawford to me. Hell Lomachenko is just behind Crawford as far as I'm concerned. He gave a fine effort in that fight in spite of losing.

What’s your interpretation of Lomachenko’s performances and opponents since the start of 2018?

And how do they compare to Crawford’s over the same time period?

And what’s your opinion about the reason why Lomachenko’s viewing figures have gradually increased over the last few years, whereas Crawford’s have declined?

I asked the same question to another forum member and they intentionally refrained from answering these questions.

I don't remember specifically who all he's fought since the start of 2018, but his performances have been dazzling for the most part. I would think his viewing figures have increased because he's fought more noteworthy opponents, and looked better beating them.

Thanks for your feedback, it’s appreciated.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Lomachenko fights better opposition

Crawford hasnt ever been in a 50/50 fight. Ever. Or even a 60/40 like a porter or Thurman would be.

[margaret thatcher]

I would have him like 80-20 in those matches, i mean old little manny was too much for keith thurman

the odds always depend on both guys tbf also, you can fight a good opponent but still be a lopsided fave vs them if you are good enough

spence is the only dude at 147 i'd have around 50 vs craw, though i'd still favour craw right now

[Ruthless-RKO]

Fight is basically dead!

Spence might as well had said..

[candyslim]

Just an idea and it might be a monumentally stupid one, but might it be worth suggesting 60/40 loser takes 60?

I'm thinking that way the fighter is guaranteed the consolation of a good payday even he doesn't get the win. It might make the risk a bit more appealing.

Like I say, just putting the idea out there. Feel free to ridicule

[Ruthless-RKO]

Spence don’t want Bud.

Regardless of split, they’re both gonna make good money.

Looks like he wants to cash out 147 against Bud and move up..

[bobcatbox]

50/50 split for a 50/50 fight

[Post 4 Post]

Spence is bigger draw/better promoted than Crawford. Not to mention, Spence has proven more as a Welterweight, fought bigger names, better competition & has the titles too.

[Bandog]

I think the most fair way to split is 60/40, with 60 going to the winner. The better 147 resume goes to Spence, but the over-all resume to Crawford. Truly a 50/50 fight imo. I'd lean towards Spence by a razor thin margin.