Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - WBA Ordered

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Who wins?

Poll ended at 11 Feb 2022, 07:04

Charr - Decision
1
3%
Charr - T/KO
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25%
DRAW
5
16%
Bryan - T/KO
7
22%
Bryan - Decision
11
34%
 
Total votes: 32

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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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An absolutely even poll. That's gonna be a 50/50 supercompetetive and unpredictable Thrilla in Hollywood.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Not sure Doc that I'd have put it quite like that*, but I would describe it as "interesting" - "intriguing" might be a bit of a stretch :D

* yes I realize there was a touch of irony in your description
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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I'd wager good money this doesn't happen
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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I'm not really a gambling man OTO ... and even if I was ...
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Team Charr: Very Unprofessional Of Don King, WBA Will Notice And Make Right Decision

New year, same old Don King.

As previously reported by BS.com, Manuel Charr still awaits a travel visa for a planned secondary WBA heavyweight title defense versus Trevor Bryan. The bout is tentatively scheduled to take place January 29th, which just so happens to be the deadline imposed by the sanctioning body in order for King to retain promotional rights to the fight.

The Florida State Boxing Commission previously confirmed that a request has been submitted to promote an event at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida. A request has been placed for the bout to carry random drug testing through Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency, a mandated requirement per a WBA ruling from the previous purse bid hearing last March. However, the event has yet to evolve beyond paperwork submitted, with the clock ticking and things not looking good for the Hall of Fame promoter who has fallen back into old habits.

“We are hearing rumors that the fight is not booked,” Erol Ceylan, Charr’s promoter told Boxing Scene. “Hard Rock Hotel has no reservation for that date for an event without an audience. [Unbeaten heavyweight Christopher] Lovejoy [claims to] not know that he’s fighting [former heavyweight titlist Bermane] Stiverne.

“We take this fight very serious and try to make sure everything is done professionally in order for us to fight in [the greater Miami area]. I never do business the way they are doing things because it looks unprofessional.”


Charr (31-4, 17 KOs) has not fought since Nov. 2017, when the Germany-based Syrian heavyweight outboxed Alexander Ustinov to win his secondary WBA heavyweight title. The extended title reign has yet to include a successful title defense, though complete with plenty of delays and scandals. Charr tested positive for two separate banned substances surrounding an eventually canceled Sept. 2018 title fight with Fres Oquendo, the infraction for which he initially stripped of his title in November 2018.

A testing loophole involving the opening of his “B” sample allowed for the restoration of Charr’s title reign, though on the condition that he submit to mandatory random drug testing. Soon thereafter came plans to defend versus Bryan (20-0, 14 KOs), who has not fought since a knockout win over BJ Flores to win the interim WBA title in Aug. 2018.

King won a purse bid hearing last March, submitting $2,000,000 to claim promotional rights to a bout he initially planned—on paper, anyway—to stage last May. The initial wave of the ongoing coronavirus shut down those plans, with the WBA providing leeway to a point before establishing an absolute deadline for the bout to take place by no later than Jan. 29, 2021 before taking matters into its own hands.

From there came a last-minute scramble to secure a date with the Florida commission, although every other aspect of the card remains in limbo—par for the course for any Don King Productions-branded event for at least the past ten years. Christopher Lovejoy missed out on a chance to face fellow fringe heavyweight Dave Allen last November due to remaining under contract with King, with event promoter Eddie Hearn immediately pulling the plug on the fight once made aware of the development.

Lovejoy has since taken to social media to trash King at every turn, including his learning through social media of the alleged fight with Stiverne. The same approach has since been adopted the planned headliner.

“What a mean, nasty game by Don King,” Charr stated on his verified Instagram account on Sunday. “[Bryan] don't want to fight me. Don King tries to force me to sign with him, which I definitely won't do! I have a boxing promoter myself: Erol Ceylan. We have already put our lawyers on all points. Don King won't get away like this! No matter what happens: I'm 200% fit and ready to fight. The title stays with us in Germany. I filled out all of the WBA's forms, adhered to the legal guidelines and signed all of the WBA's contracts several times.

“I also signed the DKP contract under protest! The game with Don King has been going on for two years. We boxers are neither promoters nor organizers. I would like to defend my title every three months! It's all up to Don King that I haven't been able to fight for two years. Allah is the greatest he will give me the power and passion!! I will be ready for you and every challenge.”


Charr remains in Germany without a returned signed contract or any indication of a travel visa in place to bring him abroad. King has yet to submit deposits to secure the venue or drug testing, with the alleged event now less than three weeks away.

Even with the fight freeing up should King once again default, it still means further delays in the careers of at least two fighters if not everyone reportedly due to fight on the card. Among those stuck in the holding pattern are inactive cruiserweight titlist Beibut Shumenov (18-2, 12 KOs) and scheduled challenger Raphael Murphy (14-1, 11 KOs). Shumenov has not fought since claiming the WBA title in a 9th round knockout of Hizni Altunkaya in July 2018.

Charr remains the bearer of the longest inactive streak of anyone on the alleged show, though he and his team are prepared to take matters into their own hands.

“I am still waiting on our promotional partner to give us information that we can promote also the event. We don’t know the broadcaster, we cannot help to sell tv rights [in Germany],” notes Ceylan. “Also, which gloves will be used by us and by Bryan? So many things have to be organized to be sure that the fight happens.

“That is very unprofessional from Don King . I think WBA will notice this and follow the rules to make the right decision.”
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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If the bout gets cancelled, this would result in Mahmoud Charr being inactive for a minimum of 3½ years. And assuming he doesn’t receive another opportunity to compete for a few months, he would have only received one payday (the Ustinov fight) within 56 months.

Trevor Bryan’s inactivity is similar to Charr’s and yet the WBA allows both men to possess alphabet “world titles” without even needing to defend them.

Do both of these guys have separate 9-to-5-jobs, because I don’t see how they can continue paying their bills without earning some sort of income?
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Trainer: Trevor Bryan Is Fighting Somebody On Jan. 29th, Charr If He Wants It

After waiting more than two years for his next fight, the last thing that Trevor Bryan and his team want to hear about is yet another delay.

The unbeaten heavyweight remains convinced that his next fight will in fact take place Jan. 29th, officially in a World Boxing Association (WBA) title consolidation clash with Germany’s Manuel Charr. The status of that fight has remained in doubt from the moment it was first ordered and even after it was formally announced by promoter Don King, who plans to stage the event on an independent Pay-Per-View telecast.

Charr (31-4, 17 KOs) has joined the masses of industry skeptics who question whether the event will really take place. The long-reigning secondary WBA titlist remains in Germany, with his P1 travel visa status in limbo as he is required to travel from Germany to Hollywood, Florida.

Instead have come accusations from the Charr camp that King has failed to send back a signed contract and that the announced site location–the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino—isn’t even booked.

The belief from Bryan’s camp—all of whom are quarantined in South Florida ahead of fight week—is that it is yet another stall tactic.

“I understand what Charr is doing,” Stacy McKinley, Bryan’s trainer told Boxing Scene. “This is a business also. He’s thinking that if he doesn't have to fight Trevor Bryan, he’s not gonna fight Trevor Bryan.”

The WBA heavyweight title picture has remained an uncluttered mess for years.

“The title is the only thing that gives him any value,” insists McKinley. “But you still have to follow the rules and regulations. Trevor Bryan is the mandatory. You can’t keep the title locked up. The WBA made their decision. If they decide to not fight each other, Trevor loses his mandatory and Charr loses his title.

So, they have to fight and this is all that Trevor Bryan wants. He wants to fight. If Charr has a problem, I’m sorry but that’s not our problem. We’re in shape and ready to fight on January 29th.”


That claim holds true, whether or not Charr boards a plane and travels abroad.

“Trevor Bryan is fighting somebody Jan. 29th,” vows McKinley. “Manuel Charr if he wants it, but Trevor is gonna fight somebody next week. There is no doubt about it. We don’t want to hear any more excuses or see any more delays. Whatever problem Manuel Charr has, he needs to figure it out. Because it’s not our problem.”

Also on the show are a secondary cruiserweight title fight involving long inactive titlist Beibut Shumenov, and two heavyweight slots—Ronald Johnson and Raphael Zumbrano in a 10-round bout; and former heavyweight titlist Bermane Stiverne versus an opponent to be determined.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Looks like King is trying to force the WBA to make Charr vacate while making it impossible for him to defend.

If he's not fighting Charr, who else can Bryan even face? Stiverne? Giving someone else a week's notice in the current climate is pretty difficult.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 12 Jan 2021, 23:45 Its cheaper for king to pretend they will fight.

When hes sued he can point to this as his defense. The settlement and lawyer fees will be less than the 2 million hes on the hook for here.
Lol , pay some journalist a little something to write how much of a barnburner it was and try and promote his guy like that instead

Can someone explain why the purse bid was so high for this? Even the losing million dollar bid from Global Sports seems ridiculous
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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joshj909 wrote: 21 Jan 2021, 13:34 Looks like King is trying to force the WBA to make Charr vacate while making it impossible for him to defend.

If he's not fighting Charr, who else can Bryan even face? Stiverne? Giving someone else a week's notice in the current climate is pretty difficult.
Bingo

Stiverne vs bryan

Also the reason the bid was high is king will try and force a fight between the winner and joshua/fury.

Its an investment
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 10:39
joshj909 wrote: 21 Jan 2021, 13:34 Looks like King is trying to force the WBA to make Charr vacate while making it impossible for him to defend.

If he's not fighting Charr, who else can Bryan even face? Stiverne? Giving someone else a week's notice in the current climate is pretty difficult.
Bingo

Stiverne vs bryan

Also the reason the bid was high is king will try and force a fight between the winner and joshua/fury.

Its an investment
Ugh .
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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good luck 'forcing' fury vs. charr/bryan/stiverne🤣

what a travesty!
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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I want to know what the number of buys ends up as . I’m guessing they’re not going to be very amenable with revealing the figures
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Riddick Blowe wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 15:42 I want to know what the number of buys ends up as . I’m guessing they’re not going to be very amenable with revealing the figures
That’s assuming it actually happens.

We’re a week away and still don’t have a confirmed main event. King needs to give it up - surely he doesn’t need the money?! Must be more hassle for him than it’s worth. Sell the promotional contracts and give it up.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Visa issues resolved

Mahmoud Charr will not be at risk of losing his WBA heavyweight belt, despite the confusion surrounding his title fight on Friday, says his promoter Erol Ceylan.

The 36-year-old champion is finally due to defend his WBA 'regular' title, over three years since he claimed the belt, but Charr is yet to arrive in Miami ahead of a fight with Trevor Bryan, which is being promoted by Don King.

Charr's team say he is '100 per cent' ready and expect him to receive a visa in time to travel for the Bryan fight, a bout that the WBA have ordered to take place by the end of the month.

"We will arrive in Florida on Tuesday and want this event to take place," Ceylan said in a statement to Sky Sports.

"The WBA ordered the fight - we are willing to make it happen. The ball is now in Don King's court."

But New Yorker Bryan, who has been absent from the ring for over two years himself, has questioned whether Charr will face him in a few days.

Speaking on his Instagram account, the WBA 'interim' champion said: "Get over here and let's fight. You've been holding my title for three years now.

"Let's get this fight done. I need to get my titles.

"When I say titles, I mean plural. I mean the 'regular' WBA, then I'm going after that 'super' that AJ got."


Anthony Joshua holds the widely recognised WBA 'super' belt, along with the WBO and IBF titles that were also at stake in his ninth-round knockout win over Kubrat Pulev in December.

The winner of the Charr-Bryan fight could potentially be installed as a future challenger for unified champion Joshua.



Ceylan has dismissed any suggestion that the WBA could take action against Charr, if the fight does not go ahead.

"The WBA know us as a very professional promotion. So they know we fulfil everything with the best professionalism," Ceylan told Sky Sports.

"There is no reason to strip Charr for failure of other people. They have confirmed that to me personally several times."
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Charr is en route, that’s rather called Don King’s bluff. How’s he going to book a venue the week of the fight? :lol:
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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The topic thread is more a
Interesting that a fight would be
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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chinarich wrote: 25 Jan 2021, 14:09 Charr is en route, that’s rather called Don King’s bluff. How’s he going to book a venue the week of the fight? :lol:
Also refs, officials etc.. who knows if he’s even done anything.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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If charr calls the bluff bryan will get "injured"
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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King has now petitioned the WBA to make Charr the champion in recess and make Bryan vs Stiverne for the vacant title.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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Just strip WBA reg, WBA interim, WBA gold, and let Fres Fquendo fight AJ for 4 WBA belts, in the spectacular WBA quadruple world championship of the world.
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gregregegg wrote: 25 Jan 2021, 19:16 Just strip WBA reg, WBA interim, WBA gold, and let Fres Fquendo fight AJ for 4 WBA belts, in the spectacular WBA quadruple world championship of the world.
:clap: :yay:
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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maverick23 wrote: 25 Jan 2021, 16:49 King has now petitioned the WBA to make Charr the champion in recess and make Bryan vs Stiverne for the vacant title.
As much as I dislike Charr for being partly responsible for the recent WBA Regular farce, I would now like him to win, not because of Bryan, just because of King.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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joshj909 wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 06:23
maverick23 wrote: 25 Jan 2021, 16:49 King has now petitioned the WBA to make Charr the champion in recess and make Bryan vs Stiverne for the vacant title.
As much as I dislike Charr for being partly responsible for the recent WBA Regular farce, I would now like him to win, not because of Bryan, just because of King.
Same. Feel a bit bad for Bryan - there’s lots of money to be made at heavyweight at the moment and having 2 1/2 years out at what should be his peak isn’t good at all.
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Re: Manuel Charr vs. Trevor Bryan - January 29, 2021

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maverick23 wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 06:33
joshj909 wrote: 26 Jan 2021, 06:23
maverick23 wrote: 25 Jan 2021, 16:49 King has now petitioned the WBA to make Charr the champion in recess and make Bryan vs Stiverne for the vacant title.
As much as I dislike Charr for being partly responsible for the recent WBA Regular farce, I would now like him to win, not because of Bryan, just because of King.
Same. Feel a bit bad for Bryan - there’s lots of money to be made at heavyweight at the moment and having 2 1/2 years out at what should be his peak isn’t good at all.
I believe that Charr and Bryan want(ed) to get that AJ opponent payday. It probably would've seen Charr into retirement and Bryan would've been comfortable for the rest of his life.

The thing is, over the past 2.5 years, if they defended the belt a couple of times and established themselves as a legit top 20 contender, AJ may have faced them instead of Miller, Povetkin, Ruiz. That would've seen them earn a couple of million. Instead, they've sat on it and missed out on a lot of money and there's now no chance, with their reputations, the lack of importance of that belt and other things going on at the top of the division that the Regular belt holder will get a shot within the next two years at least. They both missed their chance by messing around instead of making a legitimate case for themselves. So I don't feel massively sorry for either of them as they wasted their own chances.

We can hope that someone with some intention to compete at the top level beats them and picks this belt up so it may eventually get merged with the proper title, but we don't want to see AJ/Fury face Bryan or Charr.
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