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gilgamesh wrote: ↑23 Jun 2019, 00:55 It should also be noted that all of the boxers on this card were of the substandard or straight up opponent variety.

0-3
6-2
7-12-3

and Shot Malignaggi are their records respectively. Malignaggi of course has a significantly better record on paper, but we all know where he's at this point.

Now I'm sure the MMA guys weren't top notch either, and I know for a fact that Joe Riggs and Chris Leben are both shot to pieces as well, and frankly never were above mediocre in the first place.

Doubtful that you're gonna be seeing the real marquee fighters of either sport volunteering to do this at any point. This is a chance for the never wills of those sports to get some attention in a circus like environment basically.

If the best fighters in the world actually agreed to do this, it might actually take off in a significant way, but I can't see that ever happening.

Riggs, and especially Leben were definitely above mediocre.

I think it will find it's place. It's got different aspects to it than boxing or mma. Like holding behind the head while punching and such. It's starting out with quicker interest than the ufc did. And most didn't give the ufc a shot in hell either.

Dottier Charredo wrote: ↑23 Jun 2019, 07:55 Paulie clearly won that fight

Depends on the criteria you use. Using boxing, I'd give it to Paulie 3-2. But he ran and popped the jab primarily. Artem inflicted the most damage. BKFC isn't looking to promote Paulie's style. Which I can understand.

Thank goodness that sh!t bored me into a very sound sleep prior to the co-mains.

Let me know when TFKoB decides to clear their shelf. Until then, I will tune in when I need a good nap.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑23 Jun 2019, 06:51 That's what I'm referring to.

Historically many pros and amateurs fought in white collar. Roy Shaw, Cliff Fields, Kevin Paddock, as well as men like Julius Francis & Scott Gammon fought in it and they were pros.

In recent years, one of the more successful BKB fighters has been James McCrory and he was an amateur who had like 80+ white collar matches. He was a champion of one of those BKB organizations, BBAD I think it was. Unfortunately he got kayoed by Davey Joyce in a Toughman contest in Ireland (both wore MMA gloves in boxing rules) and he's never quite had the same reputation.

It's always been a mix, white collar that is. It's not just hard types, but ex pros or amateurs trying to make a few bucks.

It is what it is. Micky mouse bullshit for old shot fighters, desperate to make a few quid without facing much danger. And everyone in the uk will tell you as much. I don't get why you hold the likes of John fury, Roy shaw, Bartley Gorman et al in such high esteem. They were just doormen/Walter mittee types who couldn't cut it at even area level. Don't buy into the romance of it all, a young, sharp amateur with good footwork and stiff jab would batter them all. Make them miss, cut them, then unload when they gas.

There's levels to it all, just like any other combat sport. Sure a large group happens to be doormen types, however, there are decent and even good fighters there. Cliff Fields, for example, was a solid amateur and decent/good professional whose career was cut short due to eye problems. Johnny Waldron, a terror on the white collar circuit, knocked out Julius Francis just a few months before Francis became the British champion.

As for the bareknuckle men, it's also a venue of levels. Men like Bartley Gorman had extensive amateur backgrounds. He fought men like John Mulroy who was Ireland's amateur champion to a double disqualification. Because of this background, he was able to go undefeated in bareknuckle fights. Even men like Shaw had pro fights, albeit as a middleweight, and became famous fighting heavyweights like McLean.

As for the Fury family, pre Tyson and Hughie, while not the best pro records it's not exactly like they were just big lumps. It's ironic how people on this forum will say the McGregor-Malignaggi sparring sessions meant nothing, yet they'll use some third-hand story about John Fury sparring a middleweight as evidence of being trash. By his own admission he was a journeyman, but even a journeyman can beat 90% or better of the population out there.

In today's BKB scene men like Davey Joyce and Jaws Ward are undefeated, primarily because they had extensive amateur experience.

https://www.ffoh.org/blog/2018/12/13/john-mulroy

Johnny Waldron, a good fighter beat Lenny McClean a couple of time on the unlicensed circuit in about 1980 after he finished his pro career.
In fact it was him the film snatch was loosely based on. He was the gypsy, looked after by the Bowers brothers who was supposed to lose against Lenny McClean. They all had to lock themselves in the changing room and escape out of a back window when he won.
.Francis was British champion 20 years later, I can't believe they ever fought..

Watched it out of curiosity , Pauly was what i thought he was , a shot past it 38 year old fighter , who sold his name and reputation for a few quid , and a bit of tv time , he lowered himself and sold his legacy , He looked like a old ex , out of condition boxer having a street fight with a younger tough nut from up the street you want to watch this crap watch the gypsy fights on u tube , at least the screaming buildups and challenges are more fun to watch

Stay tuned next up he fights 2 dwarfs at once at the circus

coneye wrote: ↑23 Jun 2019, 18:19 Watched it out of curiosity , Pauly was what i thought he was , a shot past it 38 year old fighter , who sold his name and reputation for a few quid , and a bit of tv time , he lowered himself and sold his legacy , He looked like a old ex , out of condition boxer having a street fight with a younger tough nut from up the street you want to watch this crap watch the gypsy fights on u tube , at least the screaming buildups and challenges are more fun to watch

Stay tuned next up he fights 2 dwarfs at once at the circus

Legacy? What legacy?

even when he was boxing paulie was a whiney moany bitch a lot of the time

i find it remarkable that he accomplished as much as he did in boxing, dude literally had no power, had totally bland phsyiccal attributes, was hittable.....

coneye wrote: ↑23 Jun 2019, 18:19 Watched it out of curiosity , Pauly was what i thought he was , a shot past it 38 year old fighter , who sold his name and reputation for a few quid , and a bit of tv time , he lowered himself and sold his legacy , He looked like a old ex , out of condition boxer having a street fight with a younger tough nut from up the street you want to watch this crap watch the gypsy fights on u tube , at least the screaming buildups and challenges are more fun to watch

Stay tuned next up he fights 2 dwarfs at once at the circus

sold his name

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 01:13 Legacy? What legacy?

Even if he had one, this wouldn't hurt it. He just got beat up by Sam eggington. Whenever people go on about end of career losses it's like they don't pay attention. Sure, clowns with agendas will bring up berbick/Ali or Norris/Leonard, but nobody cares what kalan thinks.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 01:13 Legacy? What legacy?

The people bemoaning legacies are the same kind of people who forget Primo Carnera, Joe Louis, Michael Dokes, etc became professional wrestlers. The people claiming ex-champions trying new things are belittling themselves forget people like Shannon Briggs, Frans Botha, Butterbean, etc who went into kickboxing and MMA.

These same armchair critics also don't pay these people's bills or manage their careers and investments, and they're the ones who need to seriously shut the hell up. Paulie the loudmouth thought if he beat Artem he'd get McGregor, and thought he didn't have to train or take it seriously and that attitude cost him. Period. Ego beat Malignaggi.

I’m surprised that in no reports for the fight the obvious weight disadvantage was mentioned either. Lobov is a fully fledged 154lbs whereas as Paulie was a small 140lber.

Lobov beating a soft punching, over the hill boxer who he is naturally 15lbs heavier than doesn’t really mean much in terms of a boxer’s effectiveness or lack thereof at bare Knuckle boxing.

black panther wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 14:02 I’m surprised that in no reports for the fight the obvious weight disadvantage was mentioned either. Lobov is a fully fledged 154lbs whereas as Paulie was a small 140lber.

Lobov beating a soft punching, over the hill boxer who he is naturally 15lbs heavier than doesn’t really mean much in terms of a boxer’s effectiveness or lack thereof at bare Knuckle boxing.

The weight classes in BKFC are different than traditional boxing weight classes. For example, Bobby Gunn whose claimed to be the Heavyweight BKB champion in the past is the Light Heavyweight title holder in BKFC.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 14:04 The weight classes in BKFC are different than traditional boxing weight classes. For example, Bobby Gunn whose claimed to be the Heavyweight BKB champion in the past is the Light Heavyweight title holder in BKFC.

Cheers for that. But yeah Lobov weighed 154lbs for this fight - I would have imagined he cut down to that. Paulie weighed 152lbs - probably his walk around weight.

And just visibly there seemed to be a noticeable size difference. It was a farce of a fight really.

I think size can be overblown. The original UFC had no rounds, no time limits, and no weight classes. Most of the time it was little guys beating the big guys. In due time, BKFC will "evolve" and there will be more competitive bouts, etc--- more pros from MMA and boxing are moving over to bareknuckle, so we're going to see some pretty interesting stuff in the near future. It's expanding faster than the UFC did.

The fact that BKFC refuses to fully distance itself from fake ass Bobby Gunn is a little concerning. Every time David Feldman speaks he sounds like a moron.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑24 Jun 2019, 14:00 The people bemoaning legacies are the same kind of people who forget Primo Carnera, Joe Louis, Michael Dokes, etc became professional wrestlers. The people claiming ex-champions trying new things are belittling themselves forget people like Shannon Briggs, Frans Botha, Butterbean, etc who went into kickboxing and MMA.

These same armchair critics also don't pay these people's bills or manage their careers and investments, and they're the ones who need to seriously shut the hell up. Paulie the loudmouth thought if he beat Artem he'd get McGregor, and thought he didn't have to train or take it seriously and that attitude cost him. Period. Ego beat Malignaggi.

I doubt he didn't train. I also doubt he seriously expected to be getting a fight with Conor McGregor. He just took a payday offered him. It's not like he got his ass kicked anyway. He lost a fight where they favored aggression over what he does, but he still did what he does. It just didn't impress anybody at BKFC.

I don't think this fight affected his image in the slightest. It was just another Paulie Malignaggi fight. Just a different setting.

Repeated on free sports channel now if you have Virgin TV, C553

This assclown still whining about losing to Artem, still making excuses, still not understanding that BKFC scores fights on aggression NOT defense