Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 10:31
by Enlightened-One
tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:24
Whyte is not known for remaining quiet
But he sure is not saying anything now.
Interesting
Fighters are often advised to refrain from engaging with the media (due to self-incrimination) whilst legal due diligence protocols are underway. This is normal.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:24
Whyte is not known for remaining quiet
But he sure is not saying anything now.
Interesting
Fighters are often advised to refrain from engaging with the media (due to self-incrimination) whilst legal due diligence protocols are underway. This is normal.
He was advised by the wbc to keep quiet.
You see how that worked
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:31
Fighters are often advised to refrain from engaging with the media (due to self-incrimination) whilst legal due diligence protocols are underway. This is normal.
He was advised by the wbc to keep quiet.
You see how that worked
I'm not sure if the WBC even knew Dill tested hot.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
tiny_acres wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:39
He was advised by the wbc to keep quiet.
You see how that worked
I'm not sure if the WBC even knew Dill tested hot.
No I was talking about when the wbc told Whyte to keep his grievances between him and the wbc off of social media so they could mediate the grievance
Whyte refused and still bashed them publicly.
I just think of I was innocent the first thing I would do is deny the allegations
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:51
I'm not sure if the WBC even knew Dill tested hot.
No I was talking about when the wbc told Whyte to keep his grievances between him and the wbc off of social media so they could mediate the grievance
Whyte refused and still bashed them publicly.
I just think of I was innocent the first thing I would do is deny the allegations
Ah, got it. I"m still shocked at this failed test and the grievance filed because of the gloves. Not a stellar day for British boxing.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
No I was talking about when the wbc told Whyte to keep his grievances between him and the wbc off of social media so they could mediate the grievance
Whyte refused and still bashed them publicly.
I just think of I was innocent the first thing I would do is deny the allegations
Ah, got it. I"m still shocked at this failed test and the grievance filed because of the gloves. Not a stellar day for British boxing.
I do not blame Ruiz for refusing to go to The UK after seeing this crap
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
oogiebe wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 10:58
Ah, got it. I"m still shocked at this failed test and the grievance filed because of the gloves. Not a stellar day for British boxing.
I do not blame Ruiz for refusing to go to The UK after seeing this crap
Absolutely not. He's probably just using this situation for more leverage anyway. Hope he gets his $50 Million.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
I do not blame Ruiz for refusing to go to The UK after seeing this crap
Absolutely not. He's probably just using this situation for more leverage anyway. Hope he gets his $50 Million.
I wouldn't do it period the end.
Fight in America or a neutral country.
You can't trust anyone anywhere anymore.
Whyte and Hearn stacked the deck against Rivas.
Imagine what they would do for Joshua
Ruiz would need 2 knockdown each round and not get hit once to get a draw
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Absolutely not. He's probably just using this situation for more leverage anyway. Hope he gets his $50 Million.
I wouldn't do it period the end.
Fight in America or a neutral country.
You can't trust anyone anywhere anymore.
Whyte and Hearn stacked the deck against Rivas.
Imagine what they would do for Joshua
Ruiz would need 2 knockdown each round and not get hit once to get a draw
Sounds like fighting Canelo in Vegas!
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
I wouldn't do it period the end.
Fight in America or a neutral country.
You can't trust anyone anywhere anymore.
Whyte and Hearn stacked the deck against Rivas.
Imagine what they would do for Joshua
Ruiz would need 2 knockdown each round and not get hit once to get a draw
Sounds like fighting Canelo in Vegas!
Yes
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 11:53
by Lackeos
Last night, there were no sources that would reveal what he tested positive for. But by now, the Guardian has revealed that it was Methylhexanamine. It was used in nasal decongestant products and as a stimulant in weight loss products.
Methylhexanamine is an indirect sympathomimetic drug that constricts blood vessels and thus has effects on the heart, lungs, and reproductive organs. It also causes bronchodilation, inhibits peristalsis in the intestines, and has diuretic effects.
I'm not sure whether it is banned primarily because of its possible applications as a diuretic agent, because of its potential as a performance enhancer, or because its potential for adverse reactions and death is somewhat high.
Since 2006 methylhexanamine has been sold extensively under many names as a stimulant or energy-boosting dietary supplement under the claim that it is similar to certain compounds found in geraniums, but its safety has been questioned as a number of adverse events and at least five deaths have been associated with methylhexanamine-containing supplements.
Whyte may have been using it as a masking agent, as a bronchodilator, or as a stimulant for weight loss; because all of these are purposes for which boxers sometimes take banned / legal supplements.
The BBC reports that Whyte could face an eight-year ban, since it is his second offense.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:00
by Nondescript
Lackeos wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:53
Last night, there were no sources that would reveal what he tested positive for. But by now, the Guardian has revealed that it was Methylhexanamine. It was used in nasal decongestant products and as a stimulant in weight loss products.
Methylhexanamine is an indirect sympathomimetic drug that constricts blood vessels and thus has effects on the heart, lungs, and reproductive organs. It also causes bronchodilation, inhibits peristalsis in the intestines, and has diuretic effects.
I'm not sure whether it is banned primarily because of its possible applications as a diuretic agent, because of its potential as a performance enhancer, or because its potential for adverse reactions and death is somewhat high.
Since 2006 methylhexanamine has been sold extensively under many names as a stimulant or energy-boosting dietary supplement under the claim that it is similar to certain compounds found in geraniums, but its safety has been questioned as a number of adverse events and at least five deaths have been associated with methylhexanamine-containing supplements.
Whyte may have been using it as a masking agent, as a bronchodilator, or as a stimulant for weight loss; because all of these are purposes for which boxers sometimes take banned / legal supplements.
The BBC reports that Whyte could face an eight-year ban, since it is his second offense.
Where does it say in that guardian article, that he failed for the same substance that he failed for the first time? I'm not seeing it.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Lackeos wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:53
Last night, there were no sources that would reveal what he tested positive for. But by now, the Guardian has revealed that it was Methylhexanamine. It was used in nasal decongestant products and as a stimulant in weight loss products.
I'm not sure whether it is banned primarily because of its possible applications as a diuretic agent, because of its potential as a performance enhancer, or because its potential for adverse reactions and death is somewhat high.
Whyte may have been using it as a masking agent, as a bronchodilator, or as a stimulant for weight loss; because all of these are purposes for which boxers sometimes take banned / legal supplements.
The BBC reports that Whyte could face an eight-year ban, since it is his second offense.
Where does it say in that guardian article, that he failed for the same substance that he failed for the first time? I'm not seeing it.
Me neither
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:11
by tiny_acres
I swear I've learned about more different drugs and there affects than I have working in pharmaceutical sales
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:14
by Verdi
I'm guessing it was weed. UKAD test for it and VADA don't.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Absolutely not. He's probably just using this situation for more leverage anyway. Hope he gets his $50 Million.
I wouldn't do it period the end.
Fight in America or a neutral country.
You can't trust anyone anywhere anymore.
Whyte and Hearn stacked the deck against Rivas.
Imagine what they would do for Joshua
Ruiz would need 2 knockdown each round and not get hit once to get a draw
Plus the BBBoC will probably clear Joshua to fight with loaded gloves and with TUEs for severe muscle wasting disorders, while Ruiz gets two left gloves and no hand wraps.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:18
by Enlightened-One
Lackeos wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:53
Last night, there were no sources that would reveal what he tested positive for. But by now, the Guardian has revealed that it was Methylhexanamine. It was used in nasal decongestant products and as a stimulant in weight loss products.
Methylhexanamine is an indirect sympathomimetic drug that constricts blood vessels and thus has effects on the heart, lungs, and reproductive organs. It also causes bronchodilation, inhibits peristalsis in the intestines, and has diuretic effects.
I'm not sure whether it is banned primarily because of its possible applications as a diuretic agent, because of its potential as a performance enhancer, or because its potential for adverse reactions and death is somewhat high.
Since 2006 methylhexanamine has been sold extensively under many names as a stimulant or energy-boosting dietary supplement under the claim that it is similar to certain compounds found in geraniums, but its safety has been questioned as a number of adverse events and at least five deaths have been associated with methylhexanamine-containing supplements.
Whyte may have been using it as a masking agent, as a bronchodilator, or as a stimulant for weight loss; because all of these are purposes for which boxers sometimes take banned / legal supplements.
The BBC reports that Whyte could face an eight-year ban, since it is his second offense.
The WBC let Bermane Stiverne off with only a $75k fine and no suspension when he tested positive for the same substance.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:21
by BitPlayer
Lackeos wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:53
Last night, there were no sources that would reveal what he tested positive for. But by now, the Guardian has revealed that it was Methylhexanamine. It was used in nasal decongestant products and as a stimulant in weight loss products.
Methylhexanamine is an indirect sympathomimetic drug that constricts blood vessels and thus has effects on the heart, lungs, and reproductive organs. It also causes bronchodilation, inhibits peristalsis in the intestines, and has diuretic effects.
I'm not sure whether it is banned primarily because of its possible applications as a diuretic agent, because of its potential as a performance enhancer, or because its potential for adverse reactions and death is somewhat high.
Since 2006 methylhexanamine has been sold extensively under many names as a stimulant or energy-boosting dietary supplement under the claim that it is similar to certain compounds found in geraniums, but its safety has been questioned as a number of adverse events and at least five deaths have been associated with methylhexanamine-containing supplements.
Whyte may have been using it as a masking agent, as a bronchodilator, or as a stimulant for weight loss; because all of these are purposes for which boxers sometimes take banned / legal supplements.
The BBC reports that Whyte could face an eight-year ban, since it is his second offense.
The Guardian article doesn't say what he tested positive for, not now anyway, It just cites the Boxing Scene article, and neither reveal the substance.
It only mentions the previous ban
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
This is the key information currently left out. I'm sure it won't be an over the counter issue like his Jack3d stuff before as he surely can the that silly can he?
Everyone is purposely leaving the drug found out, perhaps until the B sample is tested. However, if you look at the Fury case it didn't come out for quite a while after the Hammer fight, actually managed to get the Klitchsko fight before it was revealed by UKAD if I remember correctly?
,Fury never technically tested positive did he !?
Fury had raised levels in sample A but sample B was tested and was totally clean,this was prior to him challenging for the world titles, he was then sat down with UKAD and told what foods to avoid and given the all clear to box on, it wasn't un till some years later he made those homosexual and pedophile comments they decided to dig up that case they had already let him go on some years previous .
By my understanding to achieve a positive test the athlete needs raised levels in both A&B samples to test positive,wasnt this why UKADA couldn't fine/or ban Fury and had to drop the suspension with both parties coming to an understanding and calling it "a back dated ban" but in reality they just dropped it.
Would Whyte just be given just the benefit of the doubt until his B sample is tested ??
You may be right about the circumstances as I can't remember clearly, but I was under the impression they settled it as a backdated ban as appeal could've bankrupted UKAD.
Lackeos wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 11:53
Last night, there were no sources that would reveal what he tested positive for. But by now, the Guardian has revealed that it was Methylhexanamine. It was used in nasal decongestant products and as a stimulant in weight loss products.
I'm not sure whether it is banned primarily because of its possible applications as a diuretic agent, because of its potential as a performance enhancer, or because its potential for adverse reactions and death is somewhat high.
Whyte may have been using it as a masking agent, as a bronchodilator, or as a stimulant for weight loss; because all of these are purposes for which boxers sometimes take banned / legal supplements.
The BBC reports that Whyte could face an eight-year ban, since it is his second offense.
The WBC let Bermane Stiverne off with only a $75k fine and no suspension when he tested positive for the same substance.
As pointed out in the article attached Stiverne listed the over the counter medication on the list supplied to vada.
He did not try to hide this. I'm not condoning his actions but in no way did he try to deceive the testing agency. He was just stupid.
Whyte should try the same approach
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 12:18
The WBC let Bermane Stiverne off with only a $75k fine and no suspension when he tested positive for the same substance.
As pointed out in the article attached Stiverne listed the over the counter medication on the list supplied to vada.
He did not try to hide this. I'm not condoning his actions but in no way did he try to deceive the testing agency. He was just stupid.
Whyte should try the same approach
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:33
by BitPlayer
Hauser says it was an illegal performance enhancing drug. So I'm pretty sure it's not MHA
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:44
by marvelous marv
Seems like a similar substance to what Billy Joe had his fight with Andrade cancelled for.
Re: Dillian Whyte Tests Positive For Banned Substance
Posted: 25 Jul 2019, 13:05
by Ruthless-RKO
Funny, the WBC was gonna sanction Stiverne vs. Povetkin for their interim world title and I believe it was cancelled a day before the fight when Povetkin failed another test (that's when he fought Duhaupas). Stiverne pissed hot before this I think. Can't remember.
Near 3 years later, and another interim world title fight being scheduled, TOOK PLACE, after failed drugs test. Likely scenario, Whyte will be stripped of the belt? Lose a ranking.
Sounds like fighting Canelo in Vegas!
