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gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 12:44

vidal wrote: ↑05 Sep 2019, 12:40 borderline cheating?

it's either cheating, or it's not cheating........ did he elaborate? did he refer to holding, or was it that he punched Froch in the face a lot?

I mean the accidental, not so accidental headbutts type thing. You see that in a lot of guys. Holyfield and Bradley for instance also did that.

I don't call his style cheating, it's just a rough style.

Orlando Salido was a rough guy too. Rougher than Ward.

Some guys are just a hard night like that in the Pro game. They're gonna push the rules to the limit, and make the referee earn their money. Nothing wrong with that. It ain't ballet.

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:07 "Some guys are just a hard night like that in the Pro game. They're gonna push the rules to the limit, and make the referee earn their money. Nothing wrong with that. It ain't ballet."


Nothing wrong with it, except when the ref is on the payroll too like in Mafia Vegas.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:27

Ilya Muromets wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:07 "Some guys are just a hard night like that in the Pro game. They're gonna push the rules to the limit, and make the referee earn their money. Nothing wrong with that. It ain't ballet."


Nothing wrong with it, except when the ref is on the payroll too like in Mafia Vegas.

I would've liked to have seen what would've happened if Kovalev had retaliated with low blows I'll just say that.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:29

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:27

I would've liked to have seen what would've happened if Kovalev had retaliated with low blows I'll just say that.

He sure didn't appear to protest the shots nor the stoppage.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:44

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:29

He sure didn't appear to protest the shots nor the stoppage.

He shouldn't have had to protest the shots. The referee should've done his job.

For the record I'm quite sure Ward would've beaten him anyway, but winning with illegal blows means he didn't win in a way that I'm ever gonna give him credit for.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:44

He shouldn't have had to protest the shots. The referee should've done his job.

For the record I'm quite sure Ward would've beaten him anyway, but winning with illegal blows means he didn't win in a way that I'm ever gonna give him credit for.

I find it curious. Makes me think they were more borderline than you believe.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:47

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:46
I find it curious. Makes me think they were more borderline than you believe.

I've seen the footage, and the final blows numerous times. They were well below the belt. It's not hard to see.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:01

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 15:47

I've seen the footage, and the final blows numerous times. They were well below the belt. It's not hard to see.

I'm just looking for an explanation of why Kov didn't protest those shots or the stoppage.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:03

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:01
I'm just looking for an explanation of why Kov didn't protest those shots or the stoppage.

Looks like he does protest to me. I mean he didn't jump up and down, and make a scene, but he looks like he's asking the referee "What the hell?" when he stops it.

As soon as he's able to talk that is after shaking off the pain radiating through his groin.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:11
Where there post fight comments by Kov about being fouled? I mean, right in the ring right after his marbles stopped clanging.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:11

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:03

Looks like he does protest to me. I mean he didn't jump up and down, and make a scene, but he looks like he's asking the referee "What the hell?" when he stops it.

As soon as he's able to talk that is after shaking off the pain radiating through his groin.

Where there post fight comments by Kov about being fouled? I mean, right in the ring right after his marbles stopped clanging.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:24

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:11
Where there post fight comments by Kov about being fouled? I mean, right in the ring right after his marbles stopped clanging.

What's it matter?

If somebody shot you, but you didn't call the cops did they still break the law? Does it make it ok?

greg wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:16

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:11
Where there post fight comments by Kov about being fouled? I mean, right in the ring right after his marbles stopped clanging.

..are you implying that if the boxer doesn't complain being hit in the balls somehow justifies the stoppage?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:31 Obviously they were low, low blows on a guy who was on his way out anyway. Ward could've finished him without any questions but if you have eyes and are not biased about it you can clearly see they were low. If I recall they hit the bottom of the writing on Kov's trunks, which were clearly well low.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:34 Didn't say it did, we can give our own input on threads can't we?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:32

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:31 Obviously they were low, low blows on a guy who was on his way out anyway. Ward could've finished him without any questions but if you have eyes and are not biased about it you can clearly see they were low. If I recall they hit the bottom of the writing on Kov's trunks, which were clearly well low.

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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:41 Maybe the fighting spirit had been sacked out of him

greg wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:42

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:32

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..you could be right, (un)fortunately we'll never know for sure thanks to that clown of a referee..

gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:48

greg wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 16:42

..you could be right, (un)fortunately we'll never know for sure thanks to that clown of a referee..

Indeed. Tony Weeks jumping in at the moment he did he should've been shouting "Ho, ho, ho...that was low, he's got 5 minutes to recover" that whole spiel.

Some fights are just like this. Any time they get brought up it's a discussion, and a bit of an argument breaks out.

Same with JLC vs Mayweather or Hagler vs Leonard. Sh*t like that is why we're fans I guess. Such a multi-faceted, multi-layered sport.