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Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 19:10
by RonnyJ
Ruiz was schooled and fury is a slow stiff boxer.

1. Usyk
2. AJ
3. Wilder

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 19:14
by greg
RonnyJ wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 19:10 Ruiz was schooled and fury is a slow stiff boxer.

1. Usyk
2. AJ
3. Wilder
..this may or may not be true but it doesn't make untested Usyk number 1 at this point by ANY stretch of imagination..

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 19:18
by Paci
I do love how the Boxrec #1 guy have switched from AJ, Ruiz, Wilder and back to AJ. Great year.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 19:30
by Noxy
Fury is the top man

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 19:39
by Impractical Poster
Not sure who's the top guy.

Ruiz-Wilder would be interesting.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 19:47
by drunkenpiper36
RonnyJ wrote: 01 Dec 2019, 01:59 i dont wanna hear this fury, wilder, chubby nonsense. fury lost to john mcdermott and struggled with wallin, a c level heavyweight, just like dermott. wilder, he lost on points against fury and was losing on points against ortiz in arguably both fights, he got atg power, but thats all he got, poor boxing skills. as for chubby, he got 1 lucky day and now will be wrecked. fury, wilder, chubby all struggled.

prior to the loss, what was joshua doing? he had the best record, fought the best names and beat everybody up and rarly struggled unlike the 3 others. just because he had on bad night people act like he is no good.
Why because he won a rematch against a guy he shouldn’t have lost to in the first place ?

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 20:31
by oogiebe
Paci wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 19:18 I do love how the Boxrec #1 guy have switched from AJ, Ruiz, Wilder and back to AJ. Great year.
Not sure I follow you here. THe ratings haven't changed yet.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 21:09
by margaret thatcher
Patience. Ring smarts. Defense. Mobility. Punch selection and technique. Timing.

Oh wait, he didn't lose enough rounds to show all those things

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 21:10
by margaret thatcher
oogiebe wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 20:31
Paci wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 19:18 I do love how the Boxrec #1 guy have switched from AJ, Ruiz, Wilder and back to AJ. Great year.
Not sure I follow you here. THe ratings haven't changed yet.
Looking at the points I'm pretty sure AJ will go to 1

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 21:20
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 21:09 Patience. Ring smarts. Defense. Mobility. Punch selection and technique. Timing.

Oh wait, he didn't lose enough rounds to show all those things
We being a bit 'cnty' here? :OhYes:

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 21:21
by margaret thatcher
As if I would be anything other than a polite considerate gentleman :yay:

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 21:26
by oogiebe
margaret thatcher wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 21:21 As if I would be anything other than a polite considerate gentleman :yay:
You have a point! :lol: AJ executed the perfect gameplan aided by Jabba The Hut himself. I'm still SMH at the weight. You were right all along about Ruiz. Sad but true. He really never gave himself a chance.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 21:28
by margaret thatcher
Ya, Ruiz got the first win fair and square, but I really believe that was a case of him beating a superior fighter and the superior fighter making the adjustment to win easily as he should've the first time. Ruiz has talent but has been a porky headcase much of his career

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 21:32
by Stuarty
AJ done well tonight and he deserves respect but he's not the best hw in the world yet no... Anyone saying that needs a shake! Winner of Wilder/Fury fights AJ then you have your best fighter? Even after that you still have Usyk floating about wanting a go!!!

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 22:01
by Best Coast
Stuarty wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 21:32 AJ done well tonight and he deserves respect but he's not the best hw in the world yet no... Anyone saying that needs a shake! Winner of Wilder/Fury fights AJ then you have your best fighter? Even after that you still have Usyk floating about wanting a go!!!
The top 3-4 need to do a "round-robin" or tourney to see who's really the best. Wilder, Fury & AJ have all been inconsistent & Usyk has yet to face a top HW. AJ's meltdown in the first Ruiz fight cannot be forgotten. If AJ gets stung by any of those other 3 we could see an instant replay of the AJ meltdown.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 07 Dec 2019, 22:06
by Paci
margaret thatcher wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 21:28 Ya, Ruiz got the first win fair and square, but I really believe that was a case of him beating a superior fighter and the superior fighter making the adjustment to win easily as he should've the first time. Ruiz has talent but has been a porky headcase much of his career
Yeah, he needs to put his back into it again. Pretty sloppy coming in heavier and not doing his homework for the rematch. He haven't been focused since after the first fight and needs to fight somebody relevant for his own sake. Do like having him in with Ortiz, not my idea.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 03:21
by Heretic
Well AJ just added another good name on hes resume.

Ruiz would be at least second best opponent on Wilders list for example.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 04:15
by Blodhemn
Best Coast wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 22:01
Stuarty wrote: 07 Dec 2019, 21:32 AJ done well tonight and he deserves respect but he's not the best hw in the world yet no... Anyone saying that needs a shake! Winner of Wilder/Fury fights AJ then you have your best fighter? Even after that you still have Usyk floating about wanting a go!!!
The top 3-4 need to do a "round-robin" or tourney to see who's really the best. Wilder, Fury & AJ have all been inconsistent & Usyk has yet to face a top HW. AJ's meltdown in the first Ruiz fight cannot be forgotten. If AJ gets stung by any of those other 3 we could see an instant replay of the AJ meltdown.
x2. AJ's been overrated his entire existence, while Fury/Wilder underrated. Wilder flattens him and zero doubt Usyk boxes rings around him.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 04:33
by DrDuke
Heretic wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 03:21 Well AJ just added another good name on hes resume.

Ruiz would be at least second best opponent on Wilders list for example.
I'd say, Fury and Ortiz are better than Ruiz. So, I'd put him no higher than on the 3rd place.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 06:14
by Ally-M1
For me simply; AJ is 3rd.

I don’t think he’s got the credentials to sit higher ranked than either Fury or Wilder; who are for me - the Top 2 at Heavyweight.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 06:22
by Stuarty
Ally-M1 wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 06:14 For me simply; AJ is 3rd.

I don’t think he’s got the credentials to sit higher ranked than either Fury or Wilder; who are for me - the Top 2 at Heavyweight.
This :TU:

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 06:26
by RonnyJ
Resume aside, aj just has better skills than all hw except usyk. He is getting experience, he did exactly what needed to do and won 11 out of 12 rds. Fury and wilder can handle aj, when aj is moving, jabbing, 1 2. Fury has no quick hard punch, is slow in reaction. As for wilder he would just lose rd after rd waiting for that
1 boom. So if aj fights with patience and doesnt get into a brawl he wins an easy ud. Usyk is very dangerous, he can deal with tall strong hw, like he dealt with joe joyce in the am.. Joe was shocked. Usyks footwork, combination punching and his athletism is just a level above hw.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 06:47
by sixpack
I sincerely hope for Usyk vs. Joshua. What a fight :box:

Also, rating AJ lower than Wilder or Fury at this point is just laughable. His resume is way ahead, he beat better opponents than both of them combined and a single nasty loss is just not enough to offset this fact.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 07:39
by Heretic
DrDuke wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 04:33
Heretic wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 03:21 Well AJ just added another good name on hes resume.

Ruiz would be at least second best opponent on Wilders list for example.
I'd say, Fury and Ortiz are better than Ruiz. So, I'd put him no higher than on the 3rd place.
I should have been more specific... On hes list of wins.

Re: Joshua is the best HW in the world

Posted: 08 Dec 2019, 07:56
by RonnyJ
sixpack wrote: 08 Dec 2019, 06:47 I sincerely hope for Usyk vs. Joshua. What a fight :box:

Also, rating AJ lower than Wilder or Fury at this point is just laughable. His resume is way ahead, he beat better opponents than both of them combined and a single nasty loss is just not enough to offset this fact.
exactly. also people overrate losses. lewis, who some consider the best hw ever, lewis lost to b level mc call or rahman, wlad an atg lost to purrity, who isnt even b but c level. so losing is nothing spectacualar. if a boxer learns from it and gets experience, than the loss did something positiv, it seasoned a boxer, made him more versatile.