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Controversial wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 17:56

Duran1970 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2020, 19:08 Youngest welter champ I believe.
12-1 in title fights
11 straight defenses 10 by KO
A devastating puncher..underated in my opinion shame he's mostly remembered getting destroyed by Hearns and Duran..no shame in that.
I guess 11 title defenses almost all by KO grow on trees

Playing devils advocate would you put Wilder in as well? High KO%, 10 title defences.

Did Wilder win the title when he was 18? I guess that's commonplace...I'll say it once I'll say it again, the modern game pales in comparison to what we had before..

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:57

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:54
No thank you.

And why not? His accomplishments were off the charts. HE had a magnificent career.

1. That's the lamest thread ever!
2. I don't know 'joltin' Joe brown. I know 'old bones' brown, but it's a common name.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 20:22

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:57

And why not? His accomplishments were off the charts. HE had a magnificent career.

1. That's the lamest thread ever!
2. I don't know 'joltin' Joe brown. I know 'old bones' brown, but it's a common name.

AND what is so lame to you?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 20:19

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Apr 2020, 19:58
Bring it up on your all time thread. Let's not hijack this one.

I am just responding to the ones that made a mockery of one of boxing's all time greats pound per pound. Warn them, not me.

Why take the bait. Stop making it so easy.

If we go with records vs HOF'ers and in title fights, several HW's don't look that deserving. Unfortunately they got in for being names people grew up with. Willard, Sharkey, Baer, Walcott, Johansson, Liston certainly weren't bums, but we have more deserving Old Timers who still haven't gotten in, as well plenty from the lightest weights from the 60's on.

Going off title defense numbers as criteria youd have to include

Wilder
Marco huck
Sven ottke
Darius m
Omar navarez
Chris john
Zolst erdei
Johhny nelson

Gatti. so overrated cos he was in exciting fights. mind you, its a hall of fame not skill i suppose. Mcguigan as well seems a stretch tho obv had an impact politically and culturally.

In Hameds defence (and I rarely defend him), he unified the division and held a title for 5 years. He also changed the entire pay structure for the little guys...they all owe him a debt of gratitude for that. He certainly achieved the fame part. Also, his resume isnt complete stiffs, just no elite name.

I'd say carbajal changed the pay for little guys. How much was hamed making?

Hbo had hamed for a 6 fight 12mm deal plus ppv upside plus whatever he made on uk ppv

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 16:50 Hbo had hamed for a 6 fight 12mm deal plus ppv upside plus whatever he made on uk ppv

He only had 1 ppv here. Good money, not exactly the Leonard/hearns change.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑29 Apr 2020, 16:13 I'd say carbajal changed the pay for little guys. How much was hamed making?

Haned's HBO contract guaranteed $3m per fight.