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gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 16:35 The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 16:43

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 16:35 The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

Nah, the point is that guys around 6'0 185-200 are actually where we should be looking. Not simply that they could do it, but that they are the ideal sized HWs. These giants are just lugging detrimental size, any guy around 200 should have the mass to hurt any other man.

In general 6'1 197 > 6'5 240

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 16:35 The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:22

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 16:35 The point is. It's been done before. It can be done again.

Guys that are 210 pounds didn't suddenly become Lightweights.

Mike Tyson has been the biggest Heavyweight star of the last 3 decades easily. He was always considered small for a Heavyweight.

Yes, Tyson is the best of the dozen or so EO exceptions.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:29 My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:29 My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:38 You and your sh*t idea of Jr. Cruiserweight and Super Cruiserweight can go to hell.

LESS weight classes. Not more. Never more.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:38 You and your sh*t idea of Jr. Cruiserweight and Super Cruiserweight can go to hell.

LESS weight classes. Not more. Never more.

Thank you so much for your kind words.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:53 At a certain point the weight advantage stops being an advantage. At a later point it becomes a disadvantage. Has been shown over and over and over.

No needs for more weight classes. We need less if anything.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:29 My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 18:28

H8Usernames wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:29 My opinion is a minority one I admit but its still my opinion. So I believe that boxing should be a sport like any other and not just some money thing made to produce stars. That being said weight classes are to protect smaller fighters against the size advantage that bigger fighters enjoy, I dont think that larger men should be less protected than smaller ones so weight classes should follow something like a 8.5% incriment, that being said:

Lightheavyweight 175
Jr Cruiserweight 190
Cruiserweight 205
Supercruiserweight 220
Heavyweight 221 and above.

How about adding in super light heavyweight @ 180 and Senior Cruiser @ 209?

Or.......

How about getting rid of ALL Junior and Supper divisions !

oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 18:37

Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 18:28

How about adding in super light heavyweight @ 180 and Senior Cruiser @ 209?

Or.......

How about getting rid of ALL Junior and Supper divisions !

Maybe replace "JR" with "Not quite good enough to be..."

Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 18:39

oogiebe wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 18:37

Maybe replace "JR" with "Not quite good enough to be..."

"Size matter," so perhaps each pound, no wait, each 1/2 pound should have it's own division.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:22 Yes, Tyson is the best of the dozen or so EO exceptions.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 18:42

Tony1244 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 17:22 Yes, Tyson is the best of the dozen or so EO exceptions.

Never said that.

It didn’t happen... ever.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 18:44 Just a gentle reminder to what I actually wrote.

Some interesting stats for those that claim that size doesn’t matter…

The following list represents the weights of the winners/champions of the world heavyweight title fights (including the WBA variants) that occurred within the last twenty years (i.e. since the 9th June 2000):

• WBA = 50 title fights; 2 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 3 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• WBC = 38 title fights; 2 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 4 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• IBF = 40 title fights; 5 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 5 winners weighing less than 220lbs
• WBO = 30 title fights; 0 winners weighing less than 215lbs; 1 winner weighing less than 220lbs

Here are the mathematical average weights for the winners/champions of all those title fights (rounded to the nearest pound):

• WBA = 247lbs
• WBC = 240lbs
• IBF = 242lbs
• WBO = 242lbs

Here are the champions (weighing less than 220lbs) that emerged victorious (or drew) in the title fights mentioned above:

• David Haye
• Roy Jones Jr
• Deontay Wilder
• Chris Byrd
• Sultan Ibragimov

David Haye and Deontay Wilder are the only fighters that successfully competed in world heavyweight title fights within the last decade weighing less than 225lbs.

If people are questioning the validity of these stats, I can easily provide the dates, names (of the winners) and weights for each of these title fights.

jujigatame wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 20:54 Those "statistics" don't even support the argument. So the average heavyweight champ weighs 240-245. Fine. Let's say that's the optimal weight for combat sports. Well, someone who weighs 245 can weigh in at 225 without much trouble if they want to. So what have you done? Created a worthless SHW division with almost nobody in it, and cheapened the HW division while you're at it. Truly a win-win.