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Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 13 Aug 2023, 07:44
by mickey1975
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 07:16
mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 06:44
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 04:10
aj made the senior world finals 2 years after boxing as a novice, then olympic gold a year after. that is hugely impressive and his potential to be an elite pro was obvious to anyone following. the hype came even before he turned over precisely because it looked highly likely that he had the stuff to deliver big results.
2 years after turning pro he already wins a world title, to which absolutely no one was surprised. in fact, he was expected by most to win every fifght until the usyk rematch
to call him an overachieve makes little sense to me. he was expected to be a big time winner and has been.
I didn’t expect him to win the Olympics, which I don’t think he did and certainly didn’t think he would beat Usyk. I’m surprised any boxing people did.
Let's face it, you hate Joshua and aren't in the slightest bit subjective when it comes to his career. You compare him to David Price FFS. Your a boxing fan with some good knowledge, but when it comes to AJ you act like a toddler in playgroup.
I stand by both those statements. I didn't dislike AJ at the Olympics yet still thought he lost.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 13 Aug 2023, 07:49
by jwfg
mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 07:44
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 07:16
mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 06:44
I didn’t expect him to win the Olympics, which I don’t think he did and certainly didn’t think he would beat Usyk. I’m surprised any boxing people did.
Let's face it, you hate Joshua and aren't in the slightest bit subjective when it comes to his career. You compare him to David Price FFS. Your a boxing fan with some good knowledge, but when it comes to AJ you act like a toddler in playgroup.
I stand by both those statements. I didn't dislike AJ at the Olympics yet still thought he lost.
You think AJ and Price's careers are equal?
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 13 Aug 2023, 08:18
by si7dog7
Terry Marsh
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 14 Aug 2023, 02:02
by maverick23
Tyson Fury for me.
I watched a few of his early pro fights live and never would have thought he’d ever prove himself to be number 1 in the world.
My mates who I saw him with, casual fans really, thought and talked about Fury in jest more than someone who could be talked of as a potential heavyweight great depending on how his career finishes.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 14 Aug 2023, 11:34
by olij999
Lloyd Honeyghan - from a fairly unspectacular amateur career to winning the undisputed title away from home against the P4P number 1. Lloyd certainly had talent, but others had more and achieved less. He got absolutely everything out of his ability by sheer hard work and determination.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 14 Aug 2023, 13:25
by Coco
olij999 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2023, 11:34
Lloyd Honeyghan - from a fairly unspectacular amateur career to winning the undisputed title away from home against the P4P number 1. Lloyd certainly had talent, but others had more and achieved less. He got absolutely everything out of his ability by sheer hard work and determination.
Nobody worked as hard as him in the gym, fantastic self belief too
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 14 Aug 2023, 16:44
by The Gratest
Franky Bruno finally achieved his dream WBC world title. Saying that, if he'd been born 15 years later he could've went on to be recognised as the hardest punching HW champ of all time with around 9-10 successful defenses.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 14 Aug 2023, 17:20
by big lennox
bripez wrote: ↑12 Aug 2023, 15:26
Spud wrote: ↑12 Aug 2023, 12:36
Clinton Woods
Clinton is my favourite boxer, but, winning
The IBF World Light Heavyweight title was way more than expected
Yes, I think he won the title at his 4th attempt?
If it takes 4 goes then it is probably an over achievement.
Also Matthew Hatton - he took a lot of stick but he ended up with a proper European title and taking Canelo the distance.
I remember Matthew Hatton's early pro fights and his lack of amateur fights showed but he developed into a really decent pro. A European title and going the distance with Canelo are great achievements. He carries himself with such good grace, too. A class act.
Clinton Woods was also hard as nails. His fights with Glengoffe Johnson ( another tough, tough man) were epic.
Woods also had the mettle to go in with a Roy Jones Jnr who was still at the peak of his powers.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 15 Aug 2023, 00:08
by Wales
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 07:49
mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 07:44
jwfg wrote: ↑13 Aug 2023, 07:16
Let's face it, you hate Joshua and aren't in the slightest bit subjective when it comes to his career. You compare him to David Price FFS. Your a boxing fan with some good knowledge, but when it comes to AJ you act like a toddler in playgroup.
I stand by both those statements. I didn't dislike AJ at the Olympics yet still thought he lost.
You think AJ and Price's careers are equal?
How can anyone compare those two careers
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 15 Aug 2023, 00:11
by Wales
AJ won Olympic gold then went on to world titles … hardly same level of “overachieving “ as some UK fighters like Gavin Rees, James Hare, Locket, Jennings etx…
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 15 Aug 2023, 00:12
by Wales
How about Calzaghe
Trained by his old fella in a shed in south wales who was a guitar player
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 15 Aug 2023, 02:36
by mickey1975
Wales wrote: ↑15 Aug 2023, 00:12
How about Calzaghe
Trained by his old fella in a shed in south wales who was a guitar player
Also a treble aba champion at different weights in the days it really meant something. A WBO sounded realistic for him turning over.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 19 Aug 2023, 03:50
by Dondotta
Me..sam wall 4-9-0 had no realistic hopes of hitting big time in boxing. I was like a sunday league football team getting the opportunity to mix it with real hopefuls for a few quid. And i gladly accepted the challenges, even managed to win a 8 round challenge belt away at aston villa . And take a swift pasting at Wembley arena on a eddie show. One thing i can say, he paid out promptly/handsomely in £50s which for a away corner fighter is allways a bonus. Our adventures even took me to the infamous regency dublin bill, which at the time i thought i'd made it by being greeted at the airport by someone with my name on card! Only to go home the same day without a penny. Either way i could of been a keyboard warrior/boxing know it all. Instead i experienced and saw it all 1st hand haven't regretted any of it except i wish i had more
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 19 Aug 2023, 05:26
by jwfg
Dondotta wrote: ↑19 Aug 2023, 03:50
Me..sam wall 4-9-0 had no realistic hopes of hitting big time in boxing. I was like a sunday league football team getting the opportunity to mix it with real hopefuls for a few quid. And i gladly accepted the challenges, even managed to win a 8 round challenge belt away at aston villa . And take a swift pasting at Wembley arena on a eddie show. One thing i can say, he paid out promptly/handsomely in £50s which for a away corner fighter is allways a bonus. Our adventures even took me to the infamous regency dublin bill, which at the time i thought i'd made it by being greeted at the airport by someone with my name on card! Only to go home the same day without a penny. Either way i could of been a keyboard warrior/boxing know it all. Instead i experienced and saw it all 1st hand haven't regretted any of it except i wish i had more
Awesome post.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 19 Aug 2023, 16:49
by wrighty
Witter had some good wins but age caught up with him. After his risk against Judah he went on a bit of a tear.
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 19 Aug 2023, 19:10
by margaret thatcher
Re: British Overachievers
Posted: 19 Aug 2023, 19:23
by dookus
