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Coco wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:37

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:34

Well you have whatever personal definition of greatness you like, but I'm afraid you'll find very few people will be agreeing with you.

I remember someone once commenting that if you beat a legend you become a legend

What's the official Internet definitions of these terms among you little keyboard warriors?

Next you'll be telling me Sam Langford wasn't great because he didn't win a title, or Ken Buchanan wasn't great because he didn't fight in Vegas, or whatever other garbage you come up with to disrespect the legends of the sport some of us love

What Iran Barkley did wasn't average, the dictionary says great = above average and substantial

Upset of the year, knockout of the year, fight of the year from the Bible of boxing, all three main belts, three weight champ, fought the biggest names, biggest punchers, best boxers around etc and was a huge draw - not average matey by any stretch & came up the hard way

Iran couldn't hold out for the 84 Olys because he had a new wife & newborn child so had to turn pro to feed them instead of robbing

Felt Forum always sold out fast when he was on the card on that tough ESPN circuit fighting everyone-all the guys noone wanted to fight, abused by Arum but came through in the end

Isaax wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:40

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:37

Oh, do piss off.

Go troll somewhere else.

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Go ahead, I'd imagine your constant trolling has been noticed already.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:56

Isaax wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:40
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Go ahead, I'd imagine your constant trolling has been noticed already.

More off topic posts, what a valuable member

Isaax wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:57

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:56

Go ahead, I'd imagine your constant trolling has been noticed already.

More off topic posts, what a valuable member

Welcome to the block list.

Coco wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:37

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:34

Well you have whatever personal definition of greatness you like, but I'm afraid you'll find very few people will be agreeing with you.

I remember someone once commenting that if you beat a legend you become a legend

That was when Danny Green beat the peak Roy Jones in Australia

Isaax wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:41

Coco wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:37

I remember someone once commenting that if you beat a legend you become a legend

What's the official Internet definitions of these terms among you little keyboard warriors?

Knowledge

fornicating hell watching that performance from Toney against Barkley and then knowing people are ranking fornicating Carl Froch and Mikkel fornicating Kessler ahead of him!

Toney's main prob in p4p lists at certain weights is that he never stayed at any weight! So he never had the longevity.

Looking at individual results and performances across his career will always put him right up there.

However some bad performances and lost years take away from him.

I don't think he gets enough credit for beating Jirov, then him masterclass against Holyfield, followed by easily winning the heavy title against Ruiz.

But then of course he lost the title on the drug test, was banned for a bit, came back against nobodies, older and slower and then when his chance came again time had passed him by.

People tend to rate greats from the era they watched boxing , has you get older and have watched a few eras , well you get wiser ,,, Toney was great , in his prime , the likes of Benn , Eubank would'nt go near him , , Some just remember him later when he got fatter and slower , but in his prime he was ferocious , just can't see ANY british boxer fighting and lasting with a prime Toney

Froch wouldn't go two rounds with Toney.

Isaax wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:40

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:37

Oh, do piss off.

Go troll somewhere else.

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Isaax wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:36

Teddy Atlas considers Barkley truly great

watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 08:01

Isaax wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 05:40
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nobody likes a snitch.

Dean B wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 07:59 Froch wouldn't go two rounds with Toney.

That's total rubbish. Toney rarely finished anybody that quickly, absolutely nothing to suggest that Froch, who was never stopped in his career, would capitulate in 2 rounds.

Go back to your subject matter of choice, Eubank, and stop talking utter hogwash.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 08:24

Dean B wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 07:59 Froch wouldn't go two rounds with Toney.

That's total rubbish. Toney rarely finished anybody that quickly, absolutely nothing to suggest that Froch, who was never stopped in his career, would capitulate in 2 rounds.

Go back to your subject matter of choice, Eubank, and stop talking utter hogwash.

Short memory. Dropped very heavily early and battered to a pulp early against light feather dusters Taylor and Groves. If or when Toney decided to walk you down and out you, it was over: Littles early when given one more round with huge cut, etc.

The amount of clean full bloodied quality short shots Toney would land on the slow motion long wide throwing Carl, from the opening bell would be hideous. That era was bad ass, BAD ASS. Those boys were from the ghetto and learned from Blackburn/Futch/Steward/Bill Miller/guy who taught Floyd Sr et al. Let's get real now. Love Carl bless him but come on.

Carl and the lovely Mikkel, much as we all like them, wouldn't even get through a PRESS CONFERENCE with James Toney or Iran Barkley let alone a bloody fight. They wouldn't make it to the fight, and if they did they'd likely freeze before the bell. A whole other level of bad.

More trolling. Boring.

A solid top 5. Probably, I'd agree.

A lot put Toney there, above of the some mentioned by Froch, but nah, Toney is overrated. I've overrated him myself in the past. He deserves the 6th place max. Toney was just outclassed by Roy. Ward would do the similar stuff to him. And the rest of the top 5 would at least outwork and outpoint him.

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 10:37 A solid top 5. Probably, I'd agree.

A lot put Toney there, above of the some mentioned by Froch, but nah, Toney is overrated. I've overrated him myself in the past. He deserves the 6th place max. Toney was just outclassed by Roy. Ward would do the similar stuff to him. And the rest of the top 5 would at least outwork and outpoint him.

I don't think anybody else would have outclassed him - Roy had ridiculous reflexes and speed in addition to his boxing skills.

I do agree though that he doesn't belong top 5, wasn't consistent enough.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 10:38

DrDuke wrote: ↑24 Jun 2020, 10:37 A solid top 5. Probably, I'd agree.

A lot put Toney there, above of the some mentioned by Froch, but nah, Toney is overrated. I've overrated him myself in the past. He deserves the 6th place max. Toney was just outclassed by Roy. Ward would do the similar stuff to him. And the rest of the top 5 would at least outwork and outpoint him.

I don't think anybody else would have outclassed him - Roy had ridiculous reflexes and speed in addition to his boxing skills.

Sure. However, it was a pure dominance, a shotout. Ward wouldn't be that stellar, but he would win pretty clearly, 10-2 or 9-3 by rounds. Froch, Calzaghe and Kessler - 8-4 or 7-5.

Roy beat 30% of Toney in reality, just look how weird his body and head looked-those IV drips kept him alive, did amazing to even get to the ring that night

what was roy jones best super midelweights fights against, i see him beat Vinny Pazienza he had lighting left hand also a natural throwing shots from angels style looked great , seem more of his light heavey fights but he is older then,

A near death James Toney, that's it