You know eo doesn't answer direct questions, that's below him. You must face off in a fact battle, with extra points scored for length of waffle and repetition.
You know I'm right as this is based on undisputed facts
Feel free to challenge me but only if you want to feel my wrath
I find him less and less entertaining. WIsh he'd employ some new lines.
I used to find him humorous but now it's just the same tripe different day, this was a post about Miller and he's managed to turn it into something totally different.
He spoils threads, which is a shame seen as though we do have too many on the go.
He needs to find an website aimed at people on the autism spectrum, he'd have the time of his life
I find him less and less entertaining. WIsh he'd employ some new lines.
I used to find him humorous but now it's just the same tripe different day, this was a post about Miller and he's managed to turn it into something totally different.
He spoils threads, which is a shame seen as though we do have too many on the go.
He needs to find an website aimed at people on the autism spectrum, he'd have the time of his life
LOL! He'd be king!
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 30 Jun 2020, 19:02
by H8Usernames
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 05:52
I only provided the stats for all the world heavyweight championship bouts that occurred within the last decade.
You actually quoted my words in your response to me, where I clearly explained this point. Please check your OWN post where you quoted my stats.
David Haye’s bout against Nikolay Valuev took place during 2009.
The current year is 2020.
Do I need to elaborate further or can you do the maths?
The only person “ignoring” anything is you failing to read my words.
You're right you're right.
Out of curiosity do you have the stats for the decade before that and maybe for the two decades combined?
I find him less and less entertaining. WIsh he'd employ some new lines.
I used to find him humorous but now it's just the same tripe different day, this was a post about Miller and he's managed to turn it into something totally different.
He spoils threads, which is a shame seen as though we do have too many on the go.
He needs to find an website aimed at people on the autism spectrum, he'd have the time of his life
H8usernames and gilgamesh went off-topic and started discussing the size of heavyweights long before I did.
I’m not taking the blame for everything you dislike about this forum, simply because you’re too damn lazy to fact check.
You must be a horrendously môrônîc fellow to automatically jump to such derogatory conclusions, unless you have adult literacy issues, and in that case I truly apologise for you having to suffer such extreme learning difficulties.
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 30 Jun 2020, 20:15
by lazboy
EO's Quote:
I have always thought and repeatedly conveyed my belief that exceptions exist for almost every general rule (barring death)...
Wrong again it seems! This is what Deontay's brother said: “It was discovered by doctors that my brother has a dent in the side of his head. This is due to a blunt object struck against his head from his last fight. No glove or fist was able to cause the damage, according to the autopsy (tests)."
It's been reported than Deontay is alive and well since this comment was posted. So clearly there is a exception to death.
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 30 Jun 2020, 20:21
by margaret thatcher
If he made it to round 7 when he was dead, imagine what he could do if he's alive
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 30 Jun 2020, 20:24
by lazboy
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 20:21
If he made it to round 7 when he was dead, imagine what he could do if he's alive
Exactly! People keep writing him off but a pre-costume and pre-corpse Wilder becomes P4P no.1. He'd even beat Crawford and Loma.
I used to find him humorous but now it's just the same tripe different day, this was a post about Miller and he's managed to turn it into something totally different.
He spoils threads, which is a shame seen as though we do have too many on the go.
He needs to find an website aimed at people on the autism spectrum, he'd have the time of his life
H8usernames and gilgamesh went off-topic and started discussing the size of heavyweights long before I did.
I’m not taking the blame for everything you dislike about this forum, simply because you’re too damn lazy to fact check.
You must be a horrendously môrônîc fellow to automatically jump to such derogatory conclusions, unless you have adult literacy issues, and in that case I truly apologise for you having to suffer such extreme learning difficulties.
There's only one thing I dislike about this forum and that's your ramblings, now that's a fact and it's been checked.
if they went of topic that's up to them, did you need to take the bait and continue going off on a tangent?
Fact checking is a great thing, regarding news and things that actually matter in life, however going through the last 10 years and looking up every heavyweight title fight where a fighter weighed under 225lbs to make a point is, well, actually moronic.
When are you outing yourself as ih8usernames anyway?
I used to find him humorous but now it's just the same tripe different day, this was a post about Miller and he's managed to turn it into something totally different.
He spoils threads, which is a shame seen as though we do have too many on the go.
He needs to find an website aimed at people on the autism spectrum, he'd have the time of his life
H8usernames and gilgamesh went off-topic and started discussing the size of heavyweights long before I did.
I’m not taking the blame for everything you dislike about this forum, simply because you’re too damn lazy to fact check.
You must be a horrendously môrônîc fellow to automatically jump to such derogatory conclusions, unless you have adult literacy issues, and in that case I truly apologise for you having to suffer such extreme learning difficulties.
You always think you're telling people things they don't know. You're not.
You're just an insufferable prick who won't ever admit he's not right about something.
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 30 Jun 2020, 23:15
by margaret thatcher
What's more annoying, an EO'er or a Jam going full on against JJ
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 19:30
H8usernames and gilgamesh went off-topic and started discussing the size of heavyweights long before I did.
I’m not taking the blame for everything you dislike about this forum, simply because you’re too damn lazy to fact check.
You must be a horrendously môrônîc fellow to automatically jump to such derogatory conclusions, unless you have adult literacy issues, and in that case I truly apologise for you having to suffer such extreme learning difficulties.
There's only one thing I dislike about this forum and that's your ramblings, now that's a fact and it's been checked.
if they went of topic that's up to them, did you need to take the bait and continue going off on a tangent?
Fact checking is a great thing, regarding news and things that actually matter in life, blah... blah... blah, blah, blahhhhh......
You were wrong to blame me for going off-topic and almost everybody from this forum was wrong in claiming that size didn’t matter in the heavyweight division and that smaller heavyweights, those weighing less than 220lbs, regularly achieved success during world title fights.
Your opinion doesn’t matter to me, since you obviously make no effort whatsoever to ensure it reflects reality.
And that’s the reason you dislike those that speak the truth, it's because they’re always proving you wrong.
The next time it rains in your geographical region, please don’t forget to blame me for that and share another little rant about it with the forum!!!
And the next time you’re suffering from a severe does of diarrhoea, you may as well assume I’m the root cause for that as well!
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 01 Jul 2020, 01:02
by Enlightened-One
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 22:54You always think you're telling people things they don't know. You're not.
You're just an insufferable prick who won't ever admit he's not right about something.
People only choose to challenge me on the facts I supply and I can’t be wrong about those, because these are things that are out of my control and exist regardless of opinions.
If I say it’s extremely rare for small heavyweights, those weighing less than 220lbs, to achieve success in world title fights over the last twenty years, which is a conclusion supported by a comprehensive set of stats that are impossible to refute, then why should I admit to being proven wrong?
The only counter argument I tend to receive are from people either insulting me, or from those dishonest souls, such as yourself, repeatedly pretending I hold a stance I’ve never even articulated.
For instance, I’ve told you at least a dozen times that size isn’t the be-all-and-end-all… and yet you keep pretending otherwise, by repeatedly claiming I believe that it’s the only thing that matters.
And you want me to admit to being proven wrong about an opinion only YOU have conveyed?
Am I supposed to apologise for YOUR words now? Should I admit to be proven WRONG about YOUR opinions?
And what are YOU going to do now? Pretend that I’m lying, even though I can quote YOUROWN words proving that YOU have done this again-and-again?
Have you ever wondered the reason for me repeatedly asking others to quote MY actual words during debates? I'll let you think about that.
According to World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman, heavyweight contender Jarrell Miller refused to enroll in the WBC's Clean Boxing Program, which is the governing body's drug testing program.
Sulaiman explained that Miller has been excluded from the WBC's rankings for the last three years for his refusal to enter the Clean Boxing Program.
"Miller specifically, he was expelled from the WBC, because he failed to enroll in the clean boxing program. Not once, but twice," Sulaiman told Sky Sports.
"What I can say is that he's been out of the WBC picture for three years, because we did not consider him to be eligible for rankings, because he did not enroll in the clean boxing program.
"When he was first ranked. We sent them the documents. He had three months to fill three pieces of paper, and he failed to do so. Then somehow they claimed they didn't have the papers, so we rang him again and sent them the paper, and he didn't submit twice, so he has been expelled from the WBC for three years."
“Nobody can be more outraged than me,” said Miller during an interview with Jeremy C. Herriges on Fight Network. “I’m the one who’s lost millions of dollars, I’m the one who has their career on the line. So no one is going to be more outraged than me.”
The boxing public was incredulous to the recent news of Jarrell Miller and his positive drug test. But apparently, so was he. Following his most recent suspension, Miller vowed to be more diligent in what he ingests going forward and promised to own up to his mistakes.
But according to Miller, he had done just that. He left no stone unturned in his second chance in the sport of boxing.
“We were super diligent,” said Miller. “The thing is there is information that will come out eventually. If I knew that this was a substance that was going to be damaging I wouldn’t have taken it.”
The questions surrounding Miller and his claim of innocence have come from everywhere. But while there is still plenty left for him to answer, he first wants to ask the public a question of his own.
“I know it sounds crazy but why in the hell do you think I would go back and do something repeatedly, knowingly in my return fight? Especially with the financial setbacks and hardships that I have dealt with in my life. I want the public to think about that.”
While Miller reiterates that the public should sit back and wait before castigating him, most inside of boxing circles have already made up their minds.
“Ban him for 2-3 years,” said former two division world champion and current ESPN commentator Andre Ward. “If he has any other positive tests or infractions, ban him for life.”
“This is the third state that he has tested positive in,” said ESPN analysts Mark Kriegel. “New York, Nevada and California. I spoke to a prominent athletic commissioner who said if Nevada doesn’t move to ban him permanently, then he will with the association of boxing commissions.”
At the age of 31, a truncated career is something that could very well be on the table for Miller. He isn’t oblivious to it. In fact, since the news of his positive tests has surfaced, it’s dawned on him that he could be headed down that road.
With that being said, the heavyweight contender believes there is no way in hell he should receive the death penalty.
“Yes, it’s definitely crossed my mind. But I should absolutely not be banned. I’m prepared to accept my suspension and I’m willing to do my monthly testing during my suspension. But to be banned for life? No you’re out of your mind.”
The current investigation surrounding Miller doesn’t allow room for him to answer questions as freely as he wants. Regardless of his restrictions though, Miller wants to make one thing clear to everyone.
“I have never, ever willingly taken a steroid for performance enhancing purposes,” explained Miller. “Did I take something for healing properties and injuries? Yes I have. But to win a fight? No, I have never done that.”
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 01 Jul 2020, 04:57
by margaret thatcher
Tbf, where are all the people yelling for Ortiz and Whyte and Pov to be banned forever. They all failed multiple fights. People will move on. Fury failed but then recently has been a man of the people.
RJJ failed, Vitali dosed when he was younger, Evan Fields was obviously using, Balco Shane, JMM had a roid gut and bacne. Mostly much liked fighters.
According to World Boxing Council President Mauricio Sulaiman, heavyweight contender Jarrell Miller refused to enroll in the WBC's Clean Boxing Program, which is the governing body's drug testing program.
Miller was scheduled to fight next week in Las Vegas, but his ring return was canceled after he tested positive for banned performance enhancing drug. He is expected to receive a lengthy suspension from the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
The latest infraction marks the third time in Miller's career that he tested positive for a performance enhancing drug.
He tested positive for a banned substance in the aftermath of a kickboxing fight in 2014, and was banned from fighting for nine months.
Then last year he tested positive for three illegal performance enhancer and was removed from a scheduled June fight with unified heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua.
Sulaiman explained that Miller has been excluded from the WBC's rankings for the last three years for his refusal to enter the Clean Boxing Program.
"Miller specifically, he was expelled from the WBC, because he failed to enroll in the clean boxing program. Not once, but twice," Sulaiman told Sky Sports.
"What I can say is that he's been out of the WBC picture for three years, because we did not consider him to be eligible for rankings, because he did not enroll in the clean boxing program.
"When he was first ranked. We sent them the documents. He had three months to fill three pieces of paper, and he failed to do so. Then somehow they claimed they didn't have the papers, so we rang him again and sent them the paper, and he didn't submit twice, so he has been expelled from the WBC for three years."
Jarrell Miller has denied "willingly" taking a performance enhancing drug after reports of a failed drug test ruined plans for a Las Vegas fight this month.
The American heavyweight has been removed from a scheduled fight against Jerry Forrest, with co-promoters Top Rank confirming that Miller would be placed on temporary suspension by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
Miller was set to resume his unbeaten 24-fight career and has questioned how he could have received the reported positive test.
"This is something that was ingested," Miller told Fight Network. "We don't know if it was contaminated, but we're investigating as of right now. Me and my team are just working due diligently to get the facts 100 per cent straight."
Asked whether he had purposefully taken performance enhancing drugs, Miller said: "No, I have never ever willingly take a steroid for performance enhancement purposes. No.
"Did I take something for healing properties, for injury, yes I have. Before a fight to win a fight and during a training camp, no, I have never done that."
WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman has said that Miller was 'expelled' by the WBC for not enrolling in the governing body's drug testing program for three years.
Sulaiman told Sky Sports: "Miller specifically, he was expelled from the WBC, because he failed to enrol in the clean boxing program. Not once, but twice."
Asked if Miller could fight for a WBC title in the future, Sulaiman said: "I don't speculate. I don't like to - what if.
"What I can say is that he's been out of the WBC picture for three years, because we did not consider him to be eligible for rankings, because he did not enrol in the clean boxing program.
"When he was first ranked. We sent them the documents. He had three months to fill three pieces of paper, and he failed to do so. Then somehow they claimed they didn't have the papers, so we rang him again and sent them the paper, and he didn't submit twice, so he has been expelled from the WBC for three years."
The WBC's top 15 ranked fighters in each weight class are asked to take part in the 'clean boxing program', which requires random, year-round unannounced testing for performance enhancing drugs and other prohibited methods in a program to be administered by VADA.
Miller had tested positive for banned substances before a world title fight with Anthony Joshua last July, and Andy Ruiz Jr was instead brought in as a replacement for the British star's US debut in New York.
The 31-year-old is co-promoted by Dmitriy Salita, who is awaiting a final ruling from the NSAC.
In a statement at the weekend, Salita said: "I am disappointed. I was looking forward to July 9th and Jarrell's return to the ring. This news is shocking to me as well.
"Hopefully soon we will find out more facts. As [Top Rank promoter] Bob Arum said, we're all going to be guided by the decision of the Nevada Athletic Commission."
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 01 Jul 2020, 06:00
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 01 Jul 2020, 08:10
by H8Usernames
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 04:57
Tbf, where are all the people yelling for Ortiz and Whyte and Pov to be banned forever. They all failed multiple fights. People will move on. Fury failed but then recently has been a man of the people.
RJJ failed, Vitali dosed when he was younger, Evan Fields was obviously using, Balco Shane, JMM had a roid gut and bacne. Mostly much liked fighters.
Did Roy ever really fail?
Was he using? Probably but this failed test, ive never seen anything credible about it.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 04:57
Tbf, where are all the people yelling for Ortiz and Whyte and Pov to be banned forever. They all failed multiple fights. People will move on. Fury failed but then recently has been a man of the people.
RJJ failed, Vitali dosed when he was younger, Evan Fields was obviously using, Balco Shane, JMM had a roid gut and bacne. Mostly much liked fighters.
Did Roy ever really fail?
Was he using? Probably but this failed test, ive never seen anything credible about it.
Indiana Boxing Commissioner Jacob Hall admitted that Jones had tested "five or six times over an acceptable level" of certain banned steroids, which was during the testing for a WBA & IBF light heavyweight clash against Richard Hall during 2000.
At that point in time, the Indiana Boxing Commission had no legal grounds to suspend or punish Jones Jr.
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 01 Jul 2020, 09:58
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Richard hall failed too so they just let the result stand
Roy blamed it on ripped fuel
Re: Jarrell Miller Fails Another PED Test?
Posted: 01 Jul 2020, 10:00
by Jeff_lacy_ko
There have been fighters who failed multiple times but miller is back to back, 3rd failure counting kickboxing, burned 2 major promoters now, and failed literally the only 2 times he was vada tested
