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IKSRTFO wrote: ↑03 Nov 2020, 22:43

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 10:03

apollo creed wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 06:58 No doubt that Floyd was a master of the game in all ways but as a boxing fan I'd have liked to see how he'd have dealt against great fighters like Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao or P.W when the division was very hot (2007-2009) and probably one of the best eras of the ww division. I guess that 2010 Mosley was a very underrated and big win for Floyd. Mosley beat Margarito who came after the win over Cotto. Also Mosley was 5′ 8½″ in height and 71″ in reach which was close in size with Floyd.

I can't really see Cotto doing any better than he did at any point in his career. Even as it is he's one of Floyd's most competitive opponents. I can't really see him fighting all that different of a fight in the 2007-2009 range.

Margarito would've been lucky to win 2 rounds.

Mosley was good enough to dominate Margarito in 2009, so I don't think he was useless in 2010.

Pacquiao and Paul Williams in 2007-2009 would've been interesting. Damn shame what happened to Paul, he could've achieved so much more.

I do see Cotto fighting different with Stewart in his corner. I thought that was his biggest mistake.

Manny Steward, would of made no Difference. Do, you remember Cotto & Hatton both avoided Floyd many yrs beforehand in 2005?

detamour wrote: ↑04 Nov 2020, 07:43

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑03 Nov 2020, 22:43

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Oct 2020, 10:03

I can't really see Cotto doing any better than he did at any point in his career. Even as it is he's one of Floyd's most competitive opponents. I can't really see him fighting all that different of a fight in the 2007-2009 range.

Margarito would've been lucky to win 2 rounds.

Mosley was good enough to dominate Margarito in 2009, so I don't think he was useless in 2010.

Pacquiao and Paul Williams in 2007-2009 would've been interesting. Damn shame what happened to Paul, he could've achieved so much more.

I do see Cotto fighting different with Stewart in his corner. I thought that was his biggest mistake.

Manny Steward, would of made no Difference. Do, you remember Cotto & Hatton both avoided Floyd many yrs beforehand in 2005?

Steward would've made all of the difference. He even knew what Cotto should've done in the fight as he was calling it.

Floyd vs Mosley and vs Maidana 1&2 were the fights he was tested. Floyd vs Pac in 2008-2010 was the fight to be made but I think a dangerous and also a very interesting fight would've been Floyd vs 2011 Sergio Martinez @ 154 lbs after Martinez won the rematch vs Paul Williams. I think that fight would've been a mouthwatering fight for the boxing purists and Martinez would've taken it in a heartbeat.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 15:23

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Oct 2020, 14:48 I knew Floyd would clown him before he lost to Lopez.

me too

I do like the fact that Loma’s fan-adulation has been deflated. I remember people saying that literally nobody in the history of boxing was doing the stuff Loma was, when it was only ever (very high-level perfectly executed) the same boxing techniques various dudes have done for decades. Motor to the outside angle as a southpaw, wooh what a technical innovator, ffs. And Lopez did the one single thing you need to do against that tactic, pivot counter-clockwise and throw the right hand into the space Loma is entering, he had that uppercut waiting for Loma about 15 times, simple fkin basic footwork any coach should teach for when a southpaw gets that angle. Adjust your fkin feet rather than standing with them on the same plane once he’s got that angle, they just stood there like stunned fkin cows waiting for Loma to pepper them. The first dude he fought where someone had taught him that basic fkin tactic and Loma has 50% of his game neutralised

TLDR It was never that Loma did sh1t we’ve never seen in boxing, just that his opponents were too dumb or badly coached to make one simple adjustment with their feet.

Lopez didn't do anything against Lomachenko that could be considered a blueprint for beating Loma. The bottom line is that for some inexplicable reason, Lomachenko gave 5 of the first 6 rounds away. Literally throwing zero or single digit punches. Lopez didn't hit him or out box him in those first 6 round, he just threw punches, even if they weren't hitting. When Lomachenko decided to throw his hands beginning in round 7, it quickly became clear that he made a huge mistake & had no reason to be so cautious against Lopez. I gave Lopez the 12th rd but 7-11 were all Lomachenko & the scores the judges turned in for that fight are absolutely meaningless. If they fought again, Lomachenko would quite obviously start earlier & outbox Lopez, although he would be opening himself up for big shots by Lopez.

detamour wrote: ↑04 Nov 2020, 07:43Do, you remember Cotto & Hatton both avoided Floyd many yrs beforehand in 2005?

At what time do you feel Ricky Hatton avoided Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Do you feel that he rejected offers to face the American? And if not, then what constitutes “ducking” or “avoiding”?

As far as I’m concerned, these guys were competing in different weight classes.

Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final outing at 140lbs took place the very same month Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, which commenced the start of the Brit's world title reign.

apollo creed wrote: ↑05 Nov 2020, 09:43 Floyd vs Mosley and vs Maidana 1&2 were the fights he was tested. Floyd vs Pac in 2008-2010 was the fight to be made but I think a dangerous and also a very interesting fight would've been Floyd vs 2011 Sergio Martinez @ 154 lbs after Martinez won the rematch vs Paul Williams. I think that fight would've been a mouthwatering fight for the boxing purists and Martinez would've taken it in a heartbeat.

Manny to floyd, will you accept a 10 million dollar per pound weight penalty clause despite never failing to make 147? Yes, will you accept a drug test in return? Manny, nope and ran off to Clottey!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 11:03

detamour wrote: ↑04 Nov 2020, 07:43Do, you remember Cotto & Hatton both avoided Floyd many yrs beforehand in 2005?

At what time do you feel Ricky Hatton avoided Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Do you feel that he rejected offers to face the American? And if not, then what constitutes “ducking” or “avoiding”?

As far as I’m concerned, these guys were competing in different weight classes.

Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final outing at 140lbs took place the very same month Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, which commenced the start of the Brit's world title reign.

Bullshit!! Floyd, turned pro at 128 pounds and Ricky at 140 and Ricky c;early said in June 2005 he was not ready for Floyd in Sky studios whilst watching Floyd dismantle Gatti. Note, Hatton turned pro 3 divisions higher and was scared to fight floyd in 2005!

detamour wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 07:36

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 11:03

detamour wrote: ↑04 Nov 2020, 07:43Do, you remember Cotto & Hatton both avoided Floyd many yrs beforehand in 2005?

At what time do you feel Ricky Hatton avoided Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Do you feel that he rejected offers to face the American? And if not, then what constitutes “ducking” or “avoiding”?

As far as I’m concerned, these guys were competing in different weight classes.

Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final outing at 140lbs took place the very same month Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, which commenced the start of the Brit's world title reign.

Bullshit!! Floyd, turned pro at 128 pounds and Ricky at 140 and Ricky c;early said in June 2005 he was not ready for Floyd in Sky studios whilst watching Floyd dismantle Gatti. Note, Hatton turned pro 3 divisions higher and was scared to fight floyd in 2005!

There’s nothing wrong with a fighter being honest, such as a prospect admitting to not being ready for a world title shot … or a champion not prepared to make the jump to a higher weight division to face a physically larger and bigger-named foe.

Timing is everything, and a fighter shouldn’t take risks with their careers until they’re ready to do so, because taking on a considerable challenge too soon or too late is likely to result in an unnecessary loss.

Fear or cowardice has nothing to do with sensible business decisions.

The only thing that matters is that Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto eventually faced Floyd Mayweather Jr. at a time when both men felt they were ready.

In terms of Ricky Hatton, as far as I’m concerned, he was a smaller fighter competing in different weight class to Money May, which means he can't be accused of ducking the American.

You can continue swearing if you want, it won’t change the historical timelines or facts I’ve detailed.

detamour wrote: ↑04 Nov 2020, 07:42

brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2020, 16:37 never really thought about loma v pbf , mayweather is hard boxer to fight wouldnt of thought loma would of beat him any how , its just loma great mover technical fighter , pbf to befair in his early fights was more exciting fighter too , i think Sergio Martinez would of ben a good fight for pbf

Was Floyd ever a Middleweight? And remember Martinez wanted no parts of Hopkins and Ward who were his size either!

no but segio was a welter weight

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 08:01

detamour wrote: ↑09 Nov 2020, 07:36

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Nov 2020, 11:03
At what time do you feel Ricky Hatton avoided Floyd Mayweather Jr.?

Do you feel that he rejected offers to face the American? And if not, then what constitutes “ducking” or “avoiding”?

As far as I’m concerned, these guys were competing in different weight classes.

Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final outing at 140lbs took place the very same month Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, which commenced the start of the Brit's world title reign.

Bullshit!! Floyd, turned pro at 128 pounds and Ricky at 140 and Ricky c;early said in June 2005 he was not ready for Floyd in Sky studios whilst watching Floyd dismantle Gatti. Note, Hatton turned pro 3 divisions higher and was scared to fight floyd in 2005!

There’s nothing wrong with a fighter being honest, such as a prospect admitting to not being ready for a world title shot … or a champion not prepared to make the jump to a higher weight division to face a physically larger and bigger-named foe.

Timing is everything, and a fighter shouldn’t take risks with their careers until they’re ready to do so, because taking on a considerable challenge too soon or too late is likely to result in an unnecessary loss.

Fear or cowardice has nothing to do with sensible business decisions.

The only thing that matters is that Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto eventually faced Floyd Mayweather Jr. at a time when both men felt they were ready.

In terms of Ricky Hatton, as far as I’m concerned, he was a smaller fighter competing in different weight class to Money May, which means he can't be accused of ducking the American.

You can continue swearing if you want, it won’t change the historical timelines or facts I’ve detailed.

Rubbish, Floyd turned pro at 128 pounds and Ricky turned pro at Light welterweight and he himself boasted at how little floyd was when they met. Ricky unlike Floyd never abused his body with junk food, Drugs, Drink did he? No version of Cotto or Hatton would of ever beaten Floyd as both plainly ran away from him with damn excuses despite what you think. I REPAEAT FLOYD TURNED PRO AT 128 POUNDS 2 POUNDS OVER THE FEATHERWEIGHT LIMIT OF 126 POUNDS BUT HEY HES PICKING ON A LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT?

brilo33 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 14:21

detamour wrote: ↑04 Nov 2020, 07:42

brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2020, 16:37 never really thought about loma v pbf , mayweather is hard boxer to fight wouldnt of thought loma would of beat him any how , its just loma great mover technical fighter , pbf to befair in his early fights was more exciting fighter too , i think Sergio Martinez would of ben a good fight for pbf

Was Floyd ever a Middleweight? And remember Martinez wanted no parts of Hopkins and Ward who were his size either!

no but segio was a welter weight

Look, why should floyd go and fight a middleweight again? Did he ever have the frame to make 160? Why, did GGG & MARTINEZ BOTH AVOID hOPKINS AND WARD WHO ARE CLOSER IN WEIGHT AND BUILD BUT CALL OUT FLOYD WHO IS A WELTERWEIGHT AGAIN?

detamour wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 06:45Rubbish, Floyd turned pro at 128 pounds and Ricky turned pro at Light welterweight and he himself boasted at how little floyd was when they met.

Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final outing at 140lbs took place the very same month Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu, which commenced the start of the Brit's world title reign.

That's not "rubbish" - it's a fact"!

Whatever weight each fighter made their pro debut is utterly irrelevant!

Floyd was beating welterweights and 154lb-ers during Ricky Hatton's 140lbs world title reign.

detamour wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 06:45Ricky unlike Floyd never abused his body with junk food, Drugs, Drink did he?

What you've written doesn't relate to anything I've previously commented on.

So you're not refuting anyone, unless you've decided to argue with yourself?

detamour wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 06:45No version of Cotto or Hatton would of ever beaten Floyd...

You're probably correct about this, but I never once claimed otherwise.

detamour wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 06:45[Cotto and Hatton] both plainly ran away from him with damn excuses despite what you think.

Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton never "ran away" from Mayweather. That's just nonsense.

Neither fighter could have clicked their fingers to make the fight happen. And they're also entitled to accept certain challenges when they feel ready to do so.

detamour wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 06:45I REPAEAT FLOYD TURNED PRO AT 128 POUNDS 2 POUNDS OVER THE FEATHERWEIGHT LIMIT OF 126 POUNDS BUT HEY HES PICKING ON A LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT?

Stop repeating yourself!

Whatever weight each fighter made their pro debut is utterly irrelevant! I've already said as much as I intend to on this point.

And no one ever claimed that Floyd Mayweather Jr. was "picking on light welterweights", so why do you even bother to say such things?

I have a sneaking suspicion you're merely trolling, and I'm taking the bait.

Loma vs Davis!

detamour wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 06:47

brilo33 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 14:21

detamour wrote: ↑04 Nov 2020, 07:42


Was Floyd ever a Middleweight? And remember Martinez wanted no parts of Hopkins and Ward who were his size either!

no but segio was a welter weight

Look, why should floyd go and fight a middleweight again? Did he ever have the frame to make 160? Why, did GGG & MARTINEZ BOTH AVOID hOPKINS AND WARD WHO ARE CLOSER IN WEIGHT AND BUILD BUT CALL OUT FLOYD WHO IS A WELTERWEIGHT AGAIN?

because it would of been a good fight , why else not sure what the row is about. as i class mayweather as the best boxer ever , so i thought it was about great match ups around his era , cause i like to see fighters i rate and like in the best fights possible

apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 07:38 Loma vs Davis!

Lopez vs Davis is better, tank would make loma run and then spark him when he had to fight. Loma has a sturdy chin though, might go the distance.

Tank/teo is 50/50.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Oct 2020, 20:28 Castillo lost a few on cuts when he was young. Orlando salido lost more yet he managed to upset all you lomasexuals too.

Loma is a Little Little man. As Skip Bayless would say.
Yeah,he is someone that has the odds stacked against him. He's the proverbial "Bullied" Boxer.
He's a Very little guy,so he's naturally easy to bully. He has that Tiny Tiny T-Rex Reach,and he's no 5'7.
That's Such an excaggeration ! He's 5'6-1/8' if you measure the top of his spiked hair. They round it off to 5'7,for whatever reason. And that 65" reach. That's a common reach of a 108 lb(Jr FlyWeight Boxer).

He's obviously been an inspiration for Many,who perhaps aspire to be,at least a Little bit like the Little Giant Loma.
That's how i see him. He's been that LiL Giant of this World. It's a shame he has such thick legs,whether that's natural genetics or from his Dad forcing him to take up Dancing for several Years during Loma's Boxing Training Development.
I guess it gave him Nice flashy lateral movement,but at the same time,it OverJacked his Wheels,and that's just a flat out detriment,being that he doesnt incorporate Dipsey Doo Stuff like Pernell Whittaker for example.

I think that without having such jacked up dancing wheels beneath him,Loma would've developed instead,to a Finely Tuned 118 Lb Fighting Performance Machine. A True LiL Giant,for other LiL Guys to be truly inspired by. So yeah,even at 126,Loma is Basically a Little Man out there,especially in this day and age of even lighter division guys gaining 20 lbs overnight. Just imagine Loma,even at his lighter Days Pro Fighting WEIGHT OF 126,taking on Salvador Sanchez,or even Danny Lopez. Yikes ! He'd get Massacred by Sanchez,and Clobbered by even easy to hit Danny Lopez. Loma has pretty footwork,and people LOVE Dancing Moves. Especially Little Bullied Nerds,which is obviously the Majority of Loma's fanbase.

He's the god of the anti Floyd's, even though he couldn't carry Floyd's jock.