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Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 09:49**

Boxers are quick to say you cant criticise a fighter if you've never boxed, i dont agree with that but fair enough but ill also say to fighters who hold that view that they cant criticise boxers for quitting due to broken orbitals unless they too have been there, probably the most painful thing a fighter has to endure id imagine

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 09:59**

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:41 Cringeworthy article

Imagine Bert Sugar writing snowflake crap like this

Millenial boxing writers are abominable

Burt sugar was a blow hard and a cliche.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 10:00**

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:12
Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 08:06
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 05:53

Your obviously very insecure to be calling professional fighters quitters. I pity you and so does any other man whose been in a ring. Gimp.
normally rate your posts tommy, but calling someone insecure cos you dont agree with them is the weakest option in regards to an internet debate.
Fair enough mate. It’s not isolated to this subject. I just find it incredibly pathetic to be calling Dubois a quitter just doesn’t sit well. This is a guy who spends his time living in Chris Eubanks arsehole.

yeah its not a nice term for what they give is it. yeah hes obsessed lol. tell you what tho, no quit in Eubank was there?

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 10:00**

Cyclops wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:24
Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 08:41
Cyclops wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 08:21
To be fair, your reply does make you sound a wee bit insecure mate.
you understand I wasn't the OP he was quoting right?
No I didn't. Sorry.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 10:38**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:59
Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:41 Cringeworthy article

Imagine Bert Sugar writing snowflake crap like this

Millenial boxing writers are abominable
Burt sugar was a blow hard and a cliche.

How was he a cliche?

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 11:38**

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:12
Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 08:06
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 05:53

Your obviously very insecure to be calling professional fighters quitters. I pity you and so does any other man whose been in a ring. Gimp.
normally rate your posts tommy, but calling someone insecure cos you dont agree with them is the weakest option in regards to an internet debate.
Fair enough mate. It’s not isolated to this subject. I just find it incredibly pathetic to be calling Dubois a quitter just doesn’t sit well. This is a guy who spends his time living in Chris Eubanks arsehole.

He also claims to be former pro Dean Bramhald.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 12:14**

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:41 Cringeworthy article

Imagine Bert Sugar writing snowflake crap like this

Millenial boxing writers are abominable

Bit of a stretch to tar them all with the same brush but you’re spot on about this particular article.

The piece was all about Tris virtue signalling to the nth degree and not much else. He must’ve reached for his laptop with dollar bills in his eye the instant Dan took the knee.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 12:33**

Dixon does come across a bit pretentious to me. I think thats why I've never given his podcast a go

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 14:03**

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 12:33 Dixon does come across a bit pretentious to me. I think thats why I've never given his podcast a go

Very good podcast

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 14:19**

To be fair to Tris he often speaks about the dangers of boxing and punch drunk syndrome etc, he wrote a book about it.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 14:24**

Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 10:00
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:12
Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 08:06
normally rate your posts tommy, but calling someone insecure cos you dont agree with them is the weakest option in regards to an internet debate.
Fair enough mate. It’s not isolated to this subject. I just find it incredibly pathetic to be calling Dubois a quitter just doesn’t sit well. This is a guy who spends his time living in Chris Eubanks arsehole.
yeah its not a nice term for what they give is it. yeah hes obsessed lol. tell you what tho, no quit in Eubank was there?

Nope no quit. It’s also easy to see how the 2nd Watson fight effected his output and ‘killer for nstinct’ for the worse.

It’s a sport and I don’t want to watch anyone die or be seriously injured.

I’ve been contemplating the origins of this ‘out on your shield’ stuff and I wonder if it was instilled into the common fighting man by the toffs who used to bet so rabidly on the outcomes back in the early days of organised fighting. If someone didn’t give life or death effort I imagine they’d be ridiculed and cut out of the earnings, perhaps flung in gaol.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 14:31**

Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 11:38
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:12
Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 08:06
normally rate your posts tommy, but calling someone insecure cos you dont agree with them is the weakest option in regards to an internet debate.
Fair enough mate. It’s not isolated to this subject. I just find it incredibly pathetic to be calling Dubois a quitter just doesn’t sit well. This is a guy who spends his time living in Chris Eubanks arsehole.
He also claims to be former pro Dean Bramhald.

Fair enough he’s done more than me then but I think it’s a shite attitude. That jab on the eye that made him take a knee was a cracker. His eye was goosed and I don’t care how little showing out he did before hand, it would have been a very disconcerting injury. He done the right thing for himself.

It’s same as Vitali, he pulled himself out vs Byrd I just don’t hold it against him. Why ruin your arm for a win? He did the right thing for himself.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 15:10**

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 14:24
Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 10:00
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:12

Fair enough mate. It’s not isolated to this subject. I just find it incredibly pathetic to be calling Dubois a quitter just doesn’t sit well. This is a guy who spends his time living in Chris Eubanks arsehole.
yeah its not a nice term for what they give is it. yeah hes obsessed lol. tell you what tho, no quit in Eubank was there?
Nope no quit. It’s also easy to see how the 2nd Watson fight effected his output and ‘killer for nstinct’ for the worse.

It’s a sport and I don’t want to watch anyone die or be seriously injured.

I’ve been contemplating the origins of this ‘out on your shield’ stuff and I wonder if it was instilled into the common fighting man by the toffs who used to bet so rabidly on the outcomes back in the early days of organised fighting. If someone didn’t give life or death effort I imagine they’d be ridiculed and cut out of the earnings, perhaps flung in gaol.

Could be that. My guess is a) as you say, boxing used to be even more closely identified with gambling than it is now b) for a large chunk of its history (i.e. before the Queensbury Rules) the winner of a fight was decided by who gave up first, so c) it became part of the culture for those backing the loser to blame the fighter for their lack of heart / quitting etc, regardless of why they did so. So even though the rules are totally different now, the reflex remains

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 17:24**

In the days of the gladiator their shield was used as a makeshift stretcher

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 18:47**

Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 14:31
Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 11:38
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 09:12

Fair enough mate. It’s not isolated to this subject. I just find it incredibly pathetic to be calling Dubois a quitter just doesn’t sit well. This is a guy who spends his time living in Chris Eubanks arsehole.
He also claims to be former pro Dean Bramhald.
Fair enough he’s done more than me then but I think it’s a shite attitude. That jab on the eye that made him take a knee was a cracker. His eye was goosed and I don’t care how little showing out he did before hand, it would have been a very disconcerting injury. He done the right thing for himself.

It’s same as Vitali, he pulled himself out vs Byrd I just don’t hold it against him. Why ruin your arm for a win? He did the right thing for himself.

I've not posted that to help bolster his opinion. I have my doubts he is Dean Bramhald.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 18:50**

I'm sure Dean Bramhald became a pro referee for a while after he retired

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 18:54**

Grown men getting a hard on cos they wanted to see a young lad be be ko'd and possibly blinded whilst theyre shoving a kebab down their rancid pie holes. Pathetic. And anyone who comes out with 'ooh they should be willing to die in the ring' need to fvck off and grow up.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 19:39**

Another thing that's eating away at me...how many newly crowned British champions have a home banker for their first defence ??

Not dodging Joyce as Dubois' first defence is commendable.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 19:41**

dookus wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 15:10
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 14:24
Steveh583 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 10:00

yeah its not a nice term for what they give is it. yeah hes obsessed lol. tell you what tho, no quit in Eubank was there?
Nope no quit. It’s also easy to see how the 2nd Watson fight effected his output and ‘killer for nstinct’ for the worse.

It’s a sport and I don’t want to watch anyone die or be seriously injured.

I’ve been contemplating the origins of this ‘out on your shield’ stuff and I wonder if it was instilled into the common fighting man by the toffs who used to bet so rabidly on the outcomes back in the early days of organised fighting. If someone didn’t give life or death effort I imagine they’d be ridiculed and cut out of the earnings, perhaps flung in gaol.
Could be that. My guess is a) as you say, boxing used to be even more closely identified with gambling than it is now b) for a large chunk of its history (i.e. before the Queensbury Rules) the winner of a fight was decided by who gave up first, so c) it became part of the culture for those backing the loser to blame the fighter for their lack of heart / quitting etc, regardless of why they did so. So even though the rules are totally different now, the reflex remains

Aye true mate, fights to a finish.

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 21:15**

Could DD have gone on? Yes

Did DD choose to end the fight? Yes

Was he spent? Probably

Would he have won if he had have continued? Unlikely

Did DD take the sensible option for his health? Yes

Would Eubank have continued? Yes
Would Benn pre McClleland have continued? Yes
Would Bellew have continued? Probably not

Posted: **01 Dec 2020, 21:50**

Coco wrote: ↑01 Dec 2020, 21:15 Could DD have gone on? Yes

Did DD choose to end the fight? Yes

Was he spent? Probably

Would he have won if he had have continued? Unlikely

Did DD take the sensible option for his health? Yes

Would Eubank have continued? Yes
Would Benn pre McClleland have continued? Yes
Would Bellew have continued? Probably not

Posted: **02 Dec 2020, 00:13**

I'm in the camp of he quit, but was right to

In hindsight I wish he got up at 6 and then IJL looked into his eyes and decided he couldn't continue. But that was never happening as A-side

If he was B side he would not have had to quit as IJL would have gotten him out of there.

Posted: **02 Dec 2020, 00:22**

Israel Vasquez has lost an eye as well.

Posted: **02 Dec 2020, 00:28**

I think quitting is boxing is interesting.

I've seen some bodyshot finishes that are basically fighters quitting but it never seems to carry that stigma.

Posted: **02 Dec 2020, 03:37**

lefthook82 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 00:28 I think quitting is boxing is interesting.

I've seen some bodyshot finishes that are basically fighters quitting but it never seems to carry that stigma.

There's definitely less stigma with a body shot finish. Commentators saying oh and ahh and crippling, which they are. But no external visual damage gets you a quit pass from most for them

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