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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:00

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 18:41

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 17:37


Mick also mentioned that Groves hits so hard that fighters feel it just going past their ear, when he misses!



And people are supposedly educating me about the the difference between 1 punch power and thudding cumulative power, while suggesting that it's the guy who landed loads but couldnt put down murray, gutnechkt, chudinov, rebrasse, degale, jack, callum, or cej who is the monster 1 hitter who just needs a single shot! well why is that big hit missing so much?? where did the 'fright' go?

just dont add up bruh

Well of course Groves was no Julian Jackson but he could still bang. He amateur career was apparently full of KOs and 20 KOS in 28 pro wins isn't too shabby. Why would Murray say he was such a big puncher if he wasn't, he lost the fight by a wide UD.

Out of the other seven you listed, six had never been stopped by anyone, even to this day.

gutnechkt (Never stopped before and he sadly collapsed after their fight and will never be the same man again)
chudinov (never stopped before but Groves stopped him)
rebrasse (never stopped)
degale (never stopped)
jack (world class fighter, decent chin)
callum (unbeaten and Groves looked shot at that point)
cej (never stopped)

it's not even the knockouts though, he couldnt even drop those guys, and most of them have been down, multiple times even

i mean, sure, im not saying groves is some power fists, but ffs dudes here are saying he's got 'frightening' power and hits so hard that you feel the gusts from his shots

ggg needed only about 1/10 the shots groves did to put murray on his butt (and then kept doing it and stopped him), i just take it all with a grain of salt

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:09 Let’s not forget Eubanks left eye was completely closed against Thompson and those were the same right hands that laid out Rothman(sp?), plus Billy Graham fighters put on a lot of weight between weigh-in and fight (Eubank struggled to eat enough to weigh-in towards 190 - weighed in at 186 in the end).

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:13

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:09 Let’s not forget Eubanks left eye was completely closed against Thompson and those were the same right hands that laid out Rothman(sp?), plus Billy Graham fighters put on a lot of weight between weigh-in and fight (Eubank struggled to eat enough to weigh-in towards 190 - weighed in at 186 in the end).

Eubank looked fantastic without having to drain. I’ve always wondered how he’d have done in a decent stretch at 175

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:12

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:00

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 18:41

Well of course Groves was no Julian Jackson but he could still bang. He amateur career was apparently full of KOs and 20 KOS in 28 pro wins isn't too shabby. Why would Murray say he was such a big puncher if he wasn't, he lost the fight by a wide UD.

Out of the other seven you listed, six had never been stopped by anyone, even to this day.

gutnechkt (Never stopped before and he sadly collapsed after their fight and will never be the same man again)
chudinov (never stopped before but Groves stopped him)
rebrasse (never stopped)
degale (never stopped)
jack (world class fighter, decent chin)
callum (unbeaten and Groves looked shot at that point)
cej (never stopped)

it's not even the knockouts though, he couldnt even drop those guys, and most of them have been down, multiple times even

i mean, sure, im not saying groves is some power fists, but ffs dudes here are saying he's got 'frightening' power and hits so hard that you feel the gusts from his shots

ggg needed only about 1/10 the shots groves did to put murray on his butt (and then kept doing it and stopped him), i just take it all with a grain of salt

Well again dropping someone doesn't tell a tale of someones power, too many variables involved. Eubank stopped Watson and Benn plus dropped Thompson at CW but only had 23KOs in 45 wins and was taken the distance by some very average fighters and didn't look close to hurting most. Bruno didn't knock any top rated HW out, or over yet had 38KOs in 40 wins but was a big hitter if he landed.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:22

Controversial wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:12

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:00

it's not even the knockouts though, he couldnt even drop those guys, and most of them have been down, multiple times even

i mean, sure, im not saying groves is some power fists, but ffs dudes here are saying he's got 'frightening' power and hits so hard that you feel the gusts from his shots

ggg needed only about 1/10 the shots groves did to put murray on his butt (and then kept doing it and stopped him), i just take it all with a grain of salt

Well again dropping someone doesn't tell a tale of someones power, too many variables involved. Eubank stopped Watson and Benn plus dropped Thompson at CW but only had 23KOs in 45 wins and was taken the distance by some very average fighters and didn't look close to hurting most. Bruno didn't knock any top rated HW out, or over yet had 38KOs in 40 wins but was a big hitter if he landed.

groves had about as much power as eubank jr

again, this thread is about froch vs eubank in the chin deprtment,----groves dropped froch hard, but who was the next best guy he did that to?

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:19

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:13

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:09 Let’s not forget Eubanks left eye was completely closed against Thompson and those were the same right hands that laid out Rothman(sp?), plus Billy Graham fighters put on a lot of weight between weigh-in and fight (Eubank struggled to eat enough to weigh-in towards 190 - weighed in at 186 in the end).

Eubank looked fantastic without having to drain. I’ve always wondered how he’d have done in a decent stretch at 175

The one time in his prime that he did his weight right, it resulted in this -

BBBoC monitored his weight through camp after being horrified at his skin having turned GREY at weigh-in the fight before in Sun City. They forced him to keep his weight down right through this time. Poor Wharton got the brunt of that.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 04:06

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:19

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:13

Eubank looked fantastic without having to drain. I’ve always wondered how he’d have done in a decent stretch at 175

The one time in his prime that he did his weight right, it resulted in this -

BBBoC monitored his weight through camp after being horrified at his skin having turned GREY at weigh-in the fight before in Sun City. They forced him to keep his weight down right through this time. Poor Wharton got the brunt of that.

Never went off his feet, though, or against Benn whilst taking there absolute best. Very sensible of both to box.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 09:00

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 04:06

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:19

The one time in his prime that he did his weight right, it resulted in this -

BBBoC monitored his weight through camp after being horrified at his skin having turned GREY at weigh-in the fight before in Sun City. They forced him to keep his weight down right through this time. Poor Wharton got the brunt of that.

Never went off his feet, though, or against Benn whilst taking there absolute best. Very sensible of both to box.

He might of beaten a regular weight-drained Eubank, or Benn in a rematch. Froze against Benn until the last second of the fifth round, after watching the 1989 released tape of Benn at 22-0 22 KO’s. He had Nigel ducking below the KNEE let alone the waist, and pissing blood for days.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 05:49 Don’t think he was the same after the horrible prolonged beating from Eubank.

I remember Wharton coming through on Grandstand punching guys out of the ring with treble left hooks. Many predicted very big for him.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 04:06

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:19

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:13

Eubank looked fantastic without having to drain. I’ve always wondered how he’d have done in a decent stretch at 175

The one time in his prime that he did his weight right, it resulted in this -

BBBoC monitored his weight through camp after being horrified at his skin having turned GREY at weigh-in the fight before in Sun City. They forced him to keep his weight down right through this time. Poor Wharton got the brunt of that.

Never went off his feet, though, or against Benn whilst taking there absolute best. Very sensible of both to box.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 13:09

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 04:06

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 19:19

The one time in his prime that he did his weight right, it resulted in this -

BBBoC monitored his weight through camp after being horrified at his skin having turned GREY at weigh-in the fight before in Sun City. They forced him to keep his weight down right through this time. Poor Wharton got the brunt of that.

Never went off his feet, though, or against Benn whilst taking there absolute best. Very sensible of both to box.

I don’t think Benn fully committed to his punches in that one. He had 12 in mind, under strict instruction from Tibbs.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 14:13

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 13:09

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 04:06
Never went off his feet, though, or against Benn whilst taking there absolute best. Very sensible of both to box.

I don’t think Benn fully committed to his punches in that one. He had 12 in mind, under strict instruction from Tibbs.

He did. Round 8 caught him completely flush with a huge right hand.