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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 11:42

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 11:39 obessesed

Excluding Joshua-Fury, the Crawford-Pacquiao bout SHOULD be the biggest fight of 2021.

In terms of revenue? Yes

There are other fights that 'boxing' fans are looking forward to, like Ramirez-Taylor.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 11:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 11:42

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 11:39 obessesed

Excluding Joshua-Fury, the Crawford-Pacquiao bout SHOULD be the biggest fight of 2021.

In terms of revenue? Yes

There are other fights that 'boxing' fans are looking forward to, like Ramirez-Taylor.

I'd agree with that.

Depends on the criteria used for constructing your personal P4P list.

As far as accomplishments, I'm with EO. You can't cease to fight top competition and keep your spot.

As far as who I think is the best boxer, regardless of recent activity, I would pick Crawford. However, this way can be tricky because Crawford has not been testing his skills in bonafide contests against other top fighters. So we are actually assuming that his skills have not faded since his last outting with a top opponent. For this reason, I tend to base P4P lists more on accomplishments, level of competition, and activity.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 14:35 Depends on the criteria used for constructing your personal P4P list.

As far as accomplishments, I'm with EO. You can't cease to fight top competition and keep your spot.

As far as who I think is the best boxer, regardless of recent activity, I would pick Crawford. However, this way can be tricky because Crawford has not been testing his skills in bonafide contests against other top fighters. So we are actually assuming that his skills have not faded since his last outting with a top opponent. For this reason, I tend to base P4P lists more on accomplishments, level of competition, and activity.

do you have crawford top 10 p4p on your own list?

whose english is better, crawford's or canelo's

i'll edge canelo

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 17:11

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 14:35 Depends on the criteria used for constructing your personal P4P list.

As far as accomplishments, I'm with EO. You can't cease to fight top competition and keep your spot.

As far as who I think is the best boxer, regardless of recent activity, I would pick Crawford. However, this way can be tricky because Crawford has not been testing his skills in bonafide contests against other top fighters. So we are actually assuming that his skills have not faded since his last outting with a top opponent. For this reason, I tend to base P4P lists more on accomplishments, level of competition, and activity.

do you have crawford top 10 p4p on your own list?

I don't have anyone on my p4p list. Upon thinking about it, I've come to the realization that aside from a few high-profile fights, of how absent from the sport I've been the past few years and came to the conclusion that I don't know what the heck I'm talking about... However, if what EO is saying about Crawford is true with his level of opposition (even though I looked it up and it doesn't look all that bad) then he should drop down a bit. But I'm not familiar enough with the other top fighters and their recent competition to make a valid list.

Seven weeks ago, Bob Arum claimed he was in discussions to make a fight between Crawford and Pacquiao, with Bud definitely competing on the 5th June.

Four weeks ago, Bob Arum claimed he'd be announcing Crawford’s next outing within a few days, against a big-name opponent, that’ll headline a PPV event, with Pacquiao the likely foe.

We’re only six weeks away from the June 5th fight-date.

That’s not enough time to promote a marquee PPV event. It’s also insufficient for a fighter to undergo a full training camp.

Terence Crawford’s only outing since December 2019, was the horrendous Kell Brook mismatch.

Crawford has roughly six months remaining of his contract with Top Rank.

At that point in time, he’ll be 34 years of age, without achieving anything noteworthy in the sport of boxing since his twenties.

I’d be over the moon if Arum proved me wrong, by delivering on his June 5th claims, but the sad reality is that we’ve been hearing about Top Rank’s “intention” to “make” the Crawford-Pacquiao bout since 2014.

The media have been reporting, on an annual basis, Bob Arum’s alleged “intention” to “make” the Crawford-Pacquiao bout since 2014.

And once again, he's failed to deliver! What a surprise!


Bob Arum and his fellow Top Rank cronies are like little boys that keep “crying wolf”, they keep repeating the same myth over-and-over again, to the point that nobody believes them anymore!

Bob Arum uses the Filipino's name to promote Crawford.

There's no excuse for Top Rank's inability to orchestrate decent fights for their man.

And no one should feel sorry for Crawford's predicament either, since the entire world predicted it, everyone anticipated the consequences of him choosing the paycheque over legacy.

He's made his bed, and now he'll have to lie in it!

Bob Arum confirmed that Crawford definitely won’t be fighting Manny Pacquiao and nor will he compete on the 5th June.

The only information he’s willing to disclose though, is that Bud will compete sometime in September and he won’t be facing a fellow Top Rank stablemate either.

This makes sense, considering Crawford’s contract with Top Rank expires the following month.

Let's hope Crawford sees sense and jumps ship, then we can all find out who really is the best Welterweight in the world.

"Crawford... Get away from Bob!" Keith Thuman

TCraw had his opportunity to go his own way years ago. He chose the safe path. That path has made him a comfortable living while detouring around the course of greater risk/reward.

I cannot fault him for his choice, but I also refuse to project and deflect his responsibility for his choices. He has taken care of his family well, and he has avoided serious injury in the process. That can be deemed a successful professional career, but it won’t get you where Manny Pacquiao has dared to go.

Fighting undeserving and mismatched opposition = getting more money. Is something wrong with this world or has team Crawford blundered?

DrDuke wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 09:09 Fighting undeserving and mismatched opposition = getting more money. Is something wrong with this world or has team Crawford blundered?

Crawford’s priority in 2018 was the paycheque over legacy.

There’s nothing wrong about having that mind-set. Praise doesn’t pay the bills.

And most fighters would be over-the-moon at the prospect of receiving guaranteed minimum $4m paydays to face subpar opposition! And I’d be the same if I was wearing his shoes.

That said, everybody (this forum and the media included) accurately predicted the consequences of Bud’s actions more than nine months prior to him extending his contract with Top Rank four years ago.

However, ever since then, Crawford and his fans have persistently moaned and blamed everyone else for the plight he’s currently facing, such as his inability to engage in a meaningful fight for more than four years.

In my mind, you can’t have your cake and eat it. Crawford made his own bed and only he can lie in it.

“We’re going to meet with Crawford’s people on Friday, and then we’re going to have him in the ring in October,” said Arum about Crawford’s next fight. “Then we’ll see where he goes from there.”

Terence Crawford’s contract with Top Rank coincidentally expires during the same month as Arum’s target date for Bud' next fight.

And if Crawford does compete October, he would have previously engaged in only one bout within a 22-month period (the Kell Brook mismatch).

Rumours are currently circulating the web claiming that Josesito Lopez will become Crawford’s next opponent.

When asked to comment on this rumour, Bob Arum said that he didn’t want to discuss it until he’d spoken to Crawford’s people. Even though he kind of denied it, he wouldn't completely dismiss the idea.

Mike Coppinger previously claimed Top Rank attempted to orchestrate a bout between Lopez and Crawford for late 2020, but changed their mind and decided to go with Kell Brook instead.

Personally speaking, I don’t expect Top Rank to stoop so low as to orchestrate a fight between Crawford and Lopez, but perhaps they’d consider using Josesito as a last-minute stand-by in case Bud’s “real” opponent in October withdraws at the last minute (similar to when Carlos Takam was already on stand-by to fill Kubrat Pulev's shoes for the 2017 bout against AJ).

Arum is a joke. He has been a net detriment to boxing for this entire millennium.

ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Jun 2021, 09:45 Arum is a joke. He has been a net detriment to boxing for this entire millennium.

Every else seems to see that, except Crawford. He didn't want to fight Thurman, Garcia, Porter, etc. He fought Khan doe.