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Larry Holmes might qualify given many do not regard him as lineal

Define "many".

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 12:42

chrisjs1985 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 10:59

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 10:22

Mike gibbons has always been underrated, by myself too.

Yes, both Gibbons brothers for sure. Great mentions. Billy Graham too.

Yeah, like I said there are dozens greater than Jackson.

Peter Jackson was defitnitely the best heavyweight of the 1880s decade. Even with the color barrier stand on him, his record was remarkable. In 87 straight fights from July 1886 to Nov 1898, Jackson only lost one time.

He was fighting the top heavyweight boxers of his day.

He went 61 rounds with "Gentleman" James J. Corbett in a NC.

He was Australia and World Colored Heavyweight Champion.

John L. Sullivan refused to fight him. I can see why. He was too great.

In that 87-fight stretch he went 40-1-1 (45NC) with 27KOs!

He beat George Godfrey (WTKO19), Tom Lees (WTKO30), WKO24 Joe McAuliffe, WTKO10 Patsy Cardiff, WTKO3 Peter Maher, NC61 James J. Corbett.

After 6 years without a fight, Jackson loses to future champ James J. Jeffies


Ain't that impressive for a black heavyweight that was ignored by the best fighters and champions like John L. Sullivan?

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 15:07

I don't know why are you laughing. Why you don't give credit to The Black Prince? He beat the very top heavyweight boxers for a long period of time. That is why John L. Sullivan did not want none of him.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 15:11

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 15:07

I don't know why are you laughing. Why you don't give credit to The Black Prince? He beat the very top heavyweight boxers for a long period of time. That is why John L. Sullivan did not want none of him.

Because you're a clown. Jackson's resume is inferior to a fighter the caliber of newsboy brown. That's why you didn't compare them, I'm not discrediting Jackson I'm laughing at you, your perpetual bias and your inability to admit when you're woefully wrong.

Now Newsboy Brown.

As I see his record, was also very impressive. He beat 5 world champions and 3 hall of fame boxers. He received a title shot at flyweight, but he lost twice for the bid.

His overall record is 58-13-5, 14KOs.

Was undefeated in first 37 fights: 12-0-1 (23NC) with 6KOs

Lost one time in 22 contests from June 1925 to Sep 1927. Record was 19-1-2 with 3KOs.

Defining Fight: W10 Panama Al Brown.
Other defining fights: D10 Fidel La Barba, W10 Frankie Genaro, W10 Corporal Izzy Schwartz, WTKO6 Speedy Dado, L15 Corporal Izzy Schwartz (II), and L15 Johnny Hill


He beat better fighters than Peter Jackson on paper. But that was the beginning of boxing when Jackson was competing. Still, Jackson was THE BEST of his era. I cannot say the same for Newsboy Brown.

Jackson gets the nod in my view. It ain't stubborness. Jackson was better for a longer period of time.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 15:24

elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 15:11

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 15:07

I don't know why are you laughing. Why you don't give credit to The Black Prince? He beat the very top heavyweight boxers for a long period of time. That is why John L. Sullivan did not want none of him.

Because you're a clown. Jackson's resume is inferior to a fighter the caliber of newsboy brown. That's why you didn't compare them, I'm not discrediting Jackson I'm laughing at you, your perpetual bias and your inability to admit when you're woefully wrong.

How can Peter Jackson's resume is inferior? He only lost one time in 87 fights against the very best of his era from July 1886 to Nov 1898. A period of 12 long years!

That is not biased. Look at the resumes. The Black Prince was also Australia and World Colored Heavyweight Champion. Newsboy fought TWICE for the world flyweight title and he lost both times. If Jackson, who was the #1 contender for years would have been given the chance for a world title and lost, then the comparisons would be in Brown's favor.

We got to see the circumstances of both fighters. One received a title shot twice. The other, because he was black and great, was snubbed.

In fairness to Jackson I don't think his era had anywhere near the talent of later eras so he didn't really have much to work with.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 17:10 In fairness to Jackson I don't think his era had anywhere near the talent of later eras so he didn't really have much to work with.

It was the beginning of the gloved era. John L. Sullivan was the Heavyweight World Champion.

But, what he did IN HIS ERA, was remarkable. Truly remarkable!

elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 19:20

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 17:10 In fairness to Jackson I don't think his era had anywhere near the talent of later eras so he didn't really have much to work with.

It was the beginning of the gloved era. John L. Sullivan was the Heavyweight World Champion.

But, what he did IN HIS ERA, was remarkable. Truly remarkable!

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 12:47 Larry Holmes might qualify given many do not regard him as lineal

Putt aside his victories against Norton in ‘78 and Weaver in ‘79: Holmes beat Ali in ‘80. He got a TKO over the last man to hold the lineal title. No one can legitimately argue that he wasn’t a lineal champ.

I just remembered....Marvis Frazier!

j/k!

AntonioMartin wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 21:31 I just remembered....Marvis Frazier!

j/k!

He was better than several you listed

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 19:58

elmersalsa wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 19:20

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 17:10 In fairness to Jackson I don't think his era had anywhere near the talent of later eras so he didn't really have much to work with.

It was the beginning of the gloved era. John L. Sullivan was the Heavyweight World Champion.

But, what he did IN HIS ERA, was remarkable. Truly remarkable!

Let the forum decide between Peter Jackson and Newsboy Brown for #5. Is there anyone better than these two, Onetimeonly?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 04:17 Let the forum decide between Peter Jackson and Newsboy Brown for #5. Is there anyone better than these two, Onetimeonly?

Yes, Jackson isn't top 25.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 10:19

elmersalsa wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 04:17 Let the forum decide between Peter Jackson and Newsboy Brown for #5. Is there anyone better than these two, Onetimeonly?

Yes, Jackson isn't top 25.

That is your view. I respect that.

Okay forum, who you got at #5?

Several guys you could go with, I would go with Bivins.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 13:17

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 10:19

elmersalsa wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 04:17 Let the forum decide between Peter Jackson and Newsboy Brown for #5. Is there anyone better than these two, Onetimeonly?

Yes, Jackson isn't top 25.

That is your view. I respect that.

You should, it's correct. His best win is over the second best George Godfrey.

Eddie Booker is another.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 16:49

elmersalsa wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 13:17

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 10:19

Yes, Jackson isn't top 25.

That is your view. I respect that.

You should, it's correct. His best win is over the second best George Godfrey.

Eddie Booker is another.

I respect that, but that does not mean it is correct.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑11 Mar 2021, 14:45 Several guys you could go with, I would go with Bivins.

Well, that is great pick. Way better than Newsboy Brown. So, Jimmy Bivins is #5!