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so if andy ruiz were left on his own in the middle of nowhere for a couple months, with water but no food, would he still be a fat arse at the end of it

Yes. Try six months.

I was partially agreeing with you EO. I think it's much more likely, the only difference being that I don't accept that it's impossible to buck the trend.

i mean dude just lost like 30 pounds for his last fight, he can obviously drop the weight if disciplined enough

i dont think its some genetic condition where his body for some freaky reason cant drop weight if he's putting in the training and sticking to his diet.

but it could be something that contributes to him having a big appetite . and let's be honest, if his parents are fat asses who stuff themselves, good chance he was always gonna take their lead and do the same. his son is obese too

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 04:14

candyslim wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 02:37 'Genetically destined' means the result is inevitable. Substitute that phrase with 'genetically predisposed' and I would answer 'yes'.

Of course that applies to many but not necessarily the majority.

If you saw the size of Andy’s blood-relatives, you might understand the reason why he’s so big.

I’m not a doctor, but I do know people who exercise and also have a normal (or even a healthy) diet who are fit, yet very overweight.

I’m not convinced that Andy is excessively overweight because of a particularly unhealthy lifestyle.

Your definition of fit is much different than mine. Being grotesquely fat is a choice for the most part. It doesn't help in America our government has over subsidized and skewed our food system to get people to crave salt, fat, and sugar. A big order of fries costs less than an apple or orange. Lack of self discipline is the main reason people are fat. You can blame it on many other things, but that's how I see it. People struggle with weight control everywhere, but many are too lazy to care.

Andy Ruiz Jr. doesn’t currently have a fight lined-up yet.

However, he’s still in the gym training with Canelo.

Andy was in the background of an ESNEWS video of Canelo, where he was simply chatting away with some kids.

And it looked like he’d just completed a training session and was all sweaty.

Anyway, the point I’m eluding to is that Andy appears to be adopting Canelo’s training regimen, by keeping fit and going to the gym all-year-round.

And Ruiz Jr. also looked like he’s lost even more weight.

I don’t know if shifting the weight, training all the time and being aligned with Canelo and Eddy Reynoso will make Ruiz Jr. a better fighter, but it’s clearly a step in the right direction and he’s at least trying to live the life of a professional athlete, which is something he probably should have done many years ago.

If he got in canelo shape he'd be a light heavy.

So if Beterbiev or Bivol is a realistic target for Canelo how would you see Canelo against Ruiz and what weight Ruiz would Canelo find most difficult to cope with?

I wouldn't see Canelo struggling with Ruiz at any weight, though admittedly I'm not Andy's top supporter.

I'd kind have guessed that. It's this sixth sense of mine

It would be fun to see if you're right though wouldn't it?

candyslim wrote: ↑04 Jul 2021, 06:09 So if Beterbiev or Bivol is a realistic target for Canelo how would you see Canelo against Ruiz and what weight Ruiz would Canelo find most difficult to cope with?

Canelo would probably have a bodyfat % clause of 20%, which Ruiz wouldn't come close to making. His % as it is, is closer to 40.

candyslim wrote: ↑04 Jul 2021, 06:23 I'd kind have guessed that. It's this sixth sense of mine

It would be fun to see if you're right though wouldn't it?

Lol, I've no interest in any Ruiz fight.

I'm quite fascinated by the size versus ability equation. By that I mean the old adage goes "A good big'un beats a good littl'un" and this is true when relative quality is equal, but it gets really interesting when the little guy is the far superior fighter.

Canelo is a special talent who has proved capable o beating decent opposition who are significantly bigger. I'm interested to see at what point his inferior opponent is just too damn big for him to handle.

Doesn't have to be Ruiz, does Canelo beat Chazz Witherspoon? I'd say so. How about Dominic Breazeale? Interesting. Maybe he can make his speed, the telling factor. Then how about Dillian Whyte? That surely has to be beyond him, doesn't it?

A less extreme example is coming soon when we get to see whether the better boxer Usyk can overcome the bigger, harder punching Joshua. It should be a treat.

I want to see this fight even less than I wanted to Ruiz vs Arreola. On free tv, sign me up all day. For PPV - get outta here.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑04 Jul 2021, 22:25 I want to see this fight even less than I wanted to Ruiz vs Arreola. On free tv, sign me up all day. For PPV - get outta here.

Strange, it promises to be more competetive.

Good matchup if it happens. Crazy that there has to be a tone of mild surprise about a fight being made, the like of which would have been put together constantly in the 80s and 90s.

Bandog wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 07:01

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 04:14I’m not convinced that Andy is excessively overweight because of a particularly unhealthy lifestyle.

Your definition of fit is much different than mine. Being grotesquely fat is a choice for the most part.

I meant that Andy is athletically “fit”, meaning that he’s physically capable of doing things that (by far) defies most people’s expectations of him, since they’d likely make assumptions based on his physical appearance.

He’s heavy-handed, durable, has a good engine, fast hands, throws excellent combinations etc. And he has to possess a certain amount of athleticism to be able to do all that.

Of course I appreciate that being “fit” is a double-edged sword, because his excessive size obviously increases his risks of becoming a diabetic, having high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer etc.

That said, if we're referring to exclusively sporting "fitness" (rather than general long-term health), then I stand by my claims that Andy Ruiz Jr. is "fit".

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 05:34

Bandog wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 07:01

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 04:14I’m not convinced that Andy is excessively overweight because of a particularly unhealthy lifestyle.

Your definition of fit is much different than mine. Being grotesquely fat is a choice for the most part.

I meant that Andy is athletically “fit”, meaning that he’s physically capable of doing things that (by far) defies most people’s expectations of him, since they’d likely make assumptions based on his physical appearance.

He’s heavy-handed, durable, has a good engine, fast hands, throws excellent combinations etc. And he has to possess a certain amount of athleticism to be able to do all that.

Of course I appreciate that being “fit” is a double-edged sword, because his excessive size obviously increases his risks of becoming a diabetic, having high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer etc.

That said, if we're referring to exclusively sporting "fitness" (rather than general long-term health), then I stand by my claims that Andy Ruiz Jr. is "fit".

Nice spin, but no. He's fat, not fit.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 06:17

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 05:34

Bandog wrote: ↑02 Jul 2021, 07:01Your definition of fit is much different than mine. Being grotesquely fat is a choice for the most part.

I meant that Andy is athletically “fit”, meaning that he’s physically capable of doing things that (by far) defies most people’s expectations of him, since they’d likely make assumptions based on his physical appearance.

He’s heavy-handed, durable, has a good engine, fast hands, throws excellent combinations etc. And he has to possess a certain amount of athleticism to be able to do all that.

Of course I appreciate that being “fit” is a double-edged sword, because his excessive size obviously increases his risks of becoming a diabetic, having high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer etc.

That said, if we're referring to exclusively sporting "fitness" (rather than general long-term health), then I stand by my claims that Andy Ruiz Jr. is "fit".

Nice spin, but no. He's fat, not fit.

He beat Anthony Joshua. And he did it by attrition.

And he also outworked the fighter (Chris Arreola) that held the record for most punches thrown in a heavyweight fight.

Fit for a fat guy

Bard of Boxrec wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 07:56 Fit for a fat guy

Absolutely!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 08:25

Bard of Boxrec wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 07:56 Fit for a fat guy

Absolutely!

My boss (who’s not a boxing fan) was mystified by the highlights of the first Ruiz-Joshua fight. He refers to Ruiz as “the big fat guy.” When I tell him there’s a good fight on this weekend he routinely gets excited and asks “the big fat guy fighting!?”

Maybe America wants a fat (but fit) heavyweight champ?

I do agree with you EO he is fit for a big guy. Looks don’t always = stamina. As long as he keeps his weight to a reasonable level he’s in good fighting shape.

As we all know, one punch can change a fight. Ruiz's punch on AJ = Fury's punch to the back of Wilder's head. Not saying Fury's was intentionally illegal, but it should be treated as a low blow at least. Both punches effectively decided the outcome of each fight. It happens.

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 19:44 As we all know, one punch can change a fight. Ruiz's punch on AJ = Fury's punch to the back of Wilder's head. Not saying Fury's was intentionally illegal, but it should be treated as a low blow at least. Both punches effectively decided the outcome of each fight. It happens.

for the guy who whines about excuses you make an absolute ton of them mate

illegal punch, loaded gloves, peds (funny coming from an ortiz fan), weight, ..........what's next? do you not see the irony

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 19:54

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 19:44 As we all know, one punch can change a fight. Ruiz's punch on AJ = Fury's punch to the back of Wilder's head. Not saying Fury's was intentionally illegal, but it should be treated as a low blow at least. Both punches effectively decided the outcome of each fight. It happens.

for the guy who whines about excuses you make an absolute ton of them mate

illegal punch, loaded gloves, peds (funny coming from an ortiz fan), weight, ..........what's next? do you not see the irony

You forgot the 5 metric ton costume.

I simply said the punch that Fury delivered was to the back of Wilder's head. It should have been determined at least an unintentional foul, and recovery time should have been allowed. Correct me if I am wrong on that. Excuses are generally lame, yes, but at least be adult enough to admit it is the truth. Neither guy was totally clean, but Fury had a good deal more fouls (rabbit punches. headlocks, holding and hitting.)