Let's not overrate Tyson Fury ...

[mcrow24]

I wasn't saying he should fight Joshua, there seems to be some people that still think Joshua deserves a shot at Fury. I'd rather see Usyk myself.

[cormack]

It's debatable who would win the fight but at heavyweight Fury is undeniably the best fighter at the moment.

Fury would probably destroy Joshua, Usyk may be the only fighter out there that could beat Fury outside of something freaky happening (as does happen at times at heavyweight).

The only people really over rating Fury are people putting him the top 10 all-time. He's just not fought anyone that would put him that high.

LOL
Based on the trilogy he is the best HW fighter at the moment ..... nah

he needs to beat a few or all of these first :

Joshua
Whyte
Usyk
Joyce
Parker
Ruiz

Ok then who's beaten all of those guys and thus the best Heavyweight?

And don't give me any BS about Joshua, that guy doesn't even deserve a shot at Fury right now.

You're argument is nonsense.

This post isnt about who is the best HW its about Fury being over rated .
Should have paid attention .

[jamesmcdonnell]

Can we not underrate him either? He ended WK’s reign as champ and defeated Wilder twice, taking his best shots in the process.

Still many good things to come I hope.

Anyone that states he's not the best Heavyweight right now is a fool. There's only one fighter that's a legit threat at the moment and he's a cruiserweight moving up and would be a huge size disadvantage. He may be a better boxer, but unless he beats Fury I don't see how you can call him the #1 heavyweight.

I think Fury thumps him to be honest. Usyk too small, and Fury is a far superior boxer to Joshua. I think he’d thump Ruiz too. Only heavy alive with a decent odds on chance of beating him was Wilder and that’s because he had the power to vanquish him. Fury is iron chinned and refuses to lose though.

He's not iron chinned, but he has great powers of recovery.

[candyslim]

He's virtually the undisputed HW champion of the world as he never lost his belts outside of the corrupt organizations taking them from him.

I guess it helps if you don't trouble yourself with title defences. You can come unstuck doing that and he nearly did when he recently tried it.

[margaret thatcher]

ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

[mcrow24]

LOL
Based on the trilogy he is the best HW fighter at the moment ..... nah

he needs to beat a few or all of these first :

Joshua
Whyte
Usyk
Joyce
Parker
Ruiz

Ok then who's beaten all of those guys and thus the best Heavyweight?

And don't give me any BS about Joshua, that guy doesn't even deserve a shot at Fury right now.

You're argument is nonsense.

This post isnt about who is the best HW its about Fury being over rated .
Should have paid attention .

If you're discussing if he's overrated , you must discuss who he is and isn't better than. Simple logic, should have paid attention and used some critical thinking skills I guess.

[jamesmcdonnell]

ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

So far he has amassed a single title defence, against the man he won it from.

That's not really very impressive, he will have to do a lot more to get rated highly as a heavyweight champ ATG.

[candyslim]

ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

That's right. He's a good fighter no doubt and I wouldn't argue with his current status as world number one, but he hasn't faced a succession of top ten opponents one after the other. Doing that can add losses to your resume.

It's hard to feel sorry for a multi-millionaire who has thousands of women drooling over him (some blokes too no doubt, I'm surprised Boxtune isn't metaphorically riding his knob), but Joshua is the one champion in the division who has ducked nobody and is relentless in his determination to unify all the belts. He doesn't play mind games he just fights whomever is put in front of him.

He hasn't done himself any favours getting treated like a basketball by Ruiz and his abject display against Usyk, but the man deserves some respect. He might still be undefeated if he'd been a little more artful and cunning in his opponent selection but that is just not his style.

[margaret thatcher]

ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

So far he has amassed a single title defence, against the man he won it from.

That's not really very impressive, he will have to do a lot more to get rated highly as a heavyweight champ ATG.

[jamesmcdonnell]

ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

That's right. He's a good fighter no doubt and I wouldn't argue with his current status as world number one, but he hasn't faced a succession of top ten opponents one after the other. Doing that can add losses to your resume.

It's hard to feel sorry for a multi-millionaire who has thousands of women drooling over him (some blokes too no doubt, I'm surprised Boxtune isn't metaphorically riding his knob), but Joshua is the one champion in the division who has ducked nobody and is relentless in his determination to unify all the belts. He doesn't play mind games he just fights whomever is put in front of him.

He hasn't done himself any favours getting treated like a basketball by Ruiz and his abject display against Usyk, but the man deserves some respect. He might still be undefeated if he'd been a little more artful and cunning in his opponent selection but that is just not his style.

Yes I'd say that's fair. Joshua certainly showed more desire to become undisputed than Fury did so far.

If Fury doesn't take on Usyk,presuming he beat Joshua again of course, then there's some serious questions to be asked about him as a fighter.

[candyslim]

True but he'll do whatever he feels like whether tough questions are being asked or otherwise. The man don't give a W nevermind a F.

[mcrow24]

Yes, Fury hasn't had a bunch of consecutive defense wins over top 10 fighters yet. Part of that is having the Wilder fights go the way they did. If he just destroyed Wilder in the first fight it might have lead to 1 more fight instead of two. Maybe he fights Joshua or Ruiz...ect instead of Wilder.

He loses a lot of respect if the Usyk fight doesn't happen, no doubt. But perhaps Whyte comes up as another Challenger worthy of a shot if he puts Wallin out convincingly.

Either way though the Usyk fight would quiet a lot of detractors.

[cormack]

Ok then who's beaten all of those guys and thus the best Heavyweight?

And don't give me any BS about Joshua, that guy doesn't even deserve a shot at Fury right now.

You're argument is nonsense.

This post isnt about who is the best HW its about Fury being over rated .
Should have paid attention .

If you're discussing if he's overrated , you must discuss who he is and isn't better than. Simple logic, should have paid attention and used some critical thinking skills I guess.

a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

[mcrow24]

This post isnt about who is the best HW its about Fury being over rated .
Should have paid attention .

If you're discussing if he's overrated , you must discuss who he is and isn't better than. Simple logic, should have paid attention and used some critical thinking skills I guess.

a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

Ok go on having crappy opinions and being a.jerk,.IGAF.

[adislav123]

he'll fight whyte next if wallin doesn't pull off the upset.

should fury beat whyte, then he'll fight the winner of usyk/joshua or do those fight a 3rd time first if joshua beats usyk?

still it's the heavyweights and one punch can end a fight.

so either whyte/fury. wallin/fury 2.

then either fury/usyk or whyte/usyk or wallin/usyk or fury/joshua or whyte/joshua 2 or even wallin/joshua.

if wallin beats whyte? rematch? or wallin fights fury? whats next for whyte if no rematch?

if joshua beats usyk will they make a third fight?
whats next for joshua if usyk beats him again?

[HomicideHenry]

Worse case scenario would be for Joshua to beat Usyk, thus forcing a rubber match, and Wallin beating Whyte--- further delaying the undisputed championship into possibly 2023, and Fury having a hell of a time getting amped up to rematch a man he be easily with one eye.

I think in such a situation that leaves Andy Ruiz to be the only viable heavyweight challenger, because nobody is interested in a fourth Wilder confrontation.

Fury-Ruiz wouldn't be a bad match, and certainly would be quite sellable especially if staged around Cinco de Mayo in Vegas, and would be decent preparation for the Joshua-Usyk rubbermatch winner.

Jesus Christ Almighty God willing that won't be the reality but if the heavyweight division has taught me anything at all it's that we never get the fights we exactly want and people can't stay consistent for too long.

[KiwiRider]

If Whyte and Wallin are fighting for the #1 contender spot, I'm not sure there can be a rematch clause?

Of course the WBC can, and will do whatever they want.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If Whyte and Wallin are fighting for the #1 contender spot, I'm not sure there can be a rematch clause?

Of course the WBC can, and will do whatever they want.

Yes, rematch clauses are almost exclusively for title fights. I can't see why these guys would want or need one.

[margaret thatcher]

whyte has an interim title, cud they sneak in a rematch clause for that? he held that title when he was ko'd by povetkin, and there was a rematch

if wallin wins seems we might get a rematch either way, him vs whyte 2, or him vs fury 2. of those rematches i'd prob rather have whyte-wallin 2, and then fury fights someone like joe joyce rather than otter again.

[KiwiRider]

If Whyte and Wallin are fighting for the #1 contender spot, I'm not sure there can be a rematch clause?

Of course the WBC can, and will do whatever they want.

Yes, rematch clauses are almost exclusively for title fights. I can't see why these guys would want or need one.

I'm sure Whyte would want a rematch clause if he lost, after holding that pointless silver belt for 5 years

[jamesmcdonnell]

whyte has an interim title, cud they sneak in a rematch clause for that? he held that title when he was ko'd by povetkin, and there was a rematch

if wallin wins seems we might get a rematch either way, him vs whyte 2, or him vs fury 2. of those rematches i'd prob rather have whyte-wallin 2, and then fury fights someone like joe joyce rather than otter again.

I don't see any mention of a rematch clause, and I doubt very much there will be one.

[sibbo]

If you're discussing if he's overrated , you must discuss who he is and isn't better than. Simple logic, should have paid attention and used some critical thinking skills I guess.

a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

Ok go on having crappy opinions and being a.jerk,.IGAF.

In the past he's been underrateted, but I'd say currently rated just about right, his resume lacks some depth, due to inactivity etc, but as a fighter he is very good, huge size, good jab, good engine, reasonable pop, good chin, great recovery powers, agile for a guy his size decent speed, and good tactician, he can look clumsy at times, and his delivery can often look sloppy, but when he's on his game, he's gonna be a difficult nights work for any current heavyweight, and many top heavyweights of yesteryear.

[jamesmcdonnell]

a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

Ok go on having crappy opinions and being a.jerk,.IGAF.

In the past he's been underrateted, but I'd say currently rated just about right, his resume lacks some depth, due to inactivity etc, but as a fighter he is very good, huge size, good jab, good engine, reasonable pop, good chin, great recovery powers, agile for a guy his size decent speed, and good tactician, he can look clumsy at times, and his delivery can often look sloppy, but when he's on his game, he's gonna be a difficult nights work for any current heavyweight, and many top heavyweights of yesteryear.

Yeah, pretty good evaluation. Even though some of his shots are quite poorly delivered technically, there's still a lot of weight behind them, they're often arm punches, but when you're 270 plus pounds, even arm punches are effective. Must be like being hit with a tree trunk.

[mcrow24]

a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

Ok go on having crappy opinions and being a.jerk,.IGAF.

In the past he's been underrateted, but I'd say currently rated just about right, his resume lacks some depth, due to inactivity etc, but as a fighter he is very good, huge size, good jab, good engine, reasonable pop, good chin, great recovery powers, agile for a guy his size decent speed, and good tactician, he can look clumsy at times, and his delivery can often look sloppy, but when he's on his game, he's gonna be a difficult nights work for any current heavyweight, and many top heavyweights of yesteryear.

Agreed.

[caldo2025]

I don’t see why people are so down on rubber matches. I’d LOVE to see AJ beat Usyk in a rematch to force a third one. Boxers also should like them because of the total earning potential of trilogies. For instance, who would rather see a better fight than Choco/Estrada’s third fight in that division? To me, their fight this year was my favorite even with the horrendous decision.

Bring on the rematches and the trilogies. People are getting too caught up in these Undesputed scenarios where they are almost impossible to make.