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mcrow24 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 13:39

stevec@france wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 13:15

mcrow24 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 13:03 It's debatable who would win the fight but at heavyweight Fury is undeniably the best fighter at the moment.

Fury would probably destroy Joshua, Usyk may be the only fighter out there that could beat Fury outside of something freaky happening (as does happen at times at heavyweight).

The only people really over rating Fury are people putting him the top 10 all-time. He's just not fought anyone that would put him that high.

LOL
Based on the trilogy he is the best HW fighter at the moment ..... nah

he needs to beat a few or all of these first :

Joshua
Whyte
Usyk
Joyce
Parker
Ruiz

Ok then who's beaten all of those guys and thus the best Heavyweight?

And don't give me any BS about Joshua, that guy doesn't even deserve a shot at Fury right now.

You're argument is nonsense.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 20:47

mcrow24 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 11:45

bobcatbox wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 10:55 Can we not underrate him either? He ended WK’s reign as champ and defeated Wilder twice, taking his best shots in the process.

Still many good things to come I hope.

Anyone that states he's not the best Heavyweight right now is a fool. There's only one fighter that's a legit threat at the moment and he's a cruiserweight moving up and would be a huge size disadvantage. He may be a better boxer, but unless he beats Fury I don't see how you can call him the #1 heavyweight.

I think Fury thumps him to be honest. Usyk too small, and Fury is a far superior boxer to Joshua. I think he’d thump Ruiz too. Only heavy alive with a decent odds on chance of beating him was Wilder and that’s because he had the power to vanquish him. Fury is iron chinned and refuses to lose though.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Oct 2021, 22:05
He's virtually the undisputed HW champion of the world as he never lost his belts outside of the corrupt organizations taking them from him.

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 11:20

mcrow24 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 13:39

stevec@france wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 13:15

LOL
Based on the trilogy he is the best HW fighter at the moment ..... nah

he needs to beat a few or all of these first :

Joshua
Whyte
Usyk
Joyce
Parker
Ruiz

Ok then who's beaten all of those guys and thus the best Heavyweight?

And don't give me any BS about Joshua, that guy doesn't even deserve a shot at Fury right now.

You're argument is nonsense.

This post isnt about who is the best HW its about Fury being over rated .
Should have paid attention .

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:17 ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:17 ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:40

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:17 ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

So far he has amassed a single title defence, against the man he won it from.

That's not really very impressive, he will have to do a lot more to get rated highly as a heavyweight champ ATG.

candyslim wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:41

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:17 ya no kidding, a champ has an obligation to defend his titles, fury had 3 years out instead. of course he shouldve lost the belts for that

thats one thing with fury, he has never really put together a prolonged stretch of world level wins. he should fight whyte in the mandatory if whyte wins, then fight the aj-usyk 2 winner. then he's added some depth to his record and shown he can stick around and not go off the rails, plus beaten the next highest rated guy and got all the belts. then he really is the king of the hill, ruler of the division

That's right. He's a good fighter no doubt and I wouldn't argue with his current status as world number one, but he hasn't faced a succession of top ten opponents one after the other. Doing that can add losses to your resume.

It's hard to feel sorry for a multi-millionaire who has thousands of women drooling over him (some blokes too no doubt, I'm surprised Boxtune isn't metaphorically riding his knob), but Joshua is the one champion in the division who has ducked nobody and is relentless in his determination to unify all the belts. He doesn't play mind games he just fights whomever is put in front of him.

He hasn't done himself any favours getting treated like a basketball by Ruiz and his abject display against Usyk, but the man deserves some respect. He might still be undefeated if he'd been a little more artful and cunning in his opponent selection but that is just not his style.

mcrow24 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:21

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 11:20

mcrow24 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2021, 13:39

Ok then who's beaten all of those guys and thus the best Heavyweight?

And don't give me any BS about Joshua, that guy doesn't even deserve a shot at Fury right now.

You're argument is nonsense.

This post isnt about who is the best HW its about Fury being over rated .
Should have paid attention .

If you're discussing if he's overrated , you must discuss who he is and isn't better than. Simple logic, should have paid attention and used some critical thinking skills I guess.

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 16:39

mcrow24 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:21

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 11:20

This post isnt about who is the best HW its about Fury being over rated .
Should have paid attention .

If you're discussing if he's overrated , you must discuss who he is and isn't better than. Simple logic, should have paid attention and used some critical thinking skills I guess.

a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 18:42 If Whyte and Wallin are fighting for the #1 contender spot, I'm not sure there can be a rematch clause?

Of course the WBC can, and will do whatever they want.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 04:02

KiwiRider wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 18:42 If Whyte and Wallin are fighting for the #1 contender spot, I'm not sure there can be a rematch clause?

Of course the WBC can, and will do whatever they want.

Yes, rematch clauses are almost exclusively for title fights. I can't see why these guys would want or need one.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑20 Oct 2021, 04:05 whyte has an interim title, cud they sneak in a rematch clause for that? he held that title when he was ko'd by povetkin, and there was a rematch

if wallin wins seems we might get a rematch either way, him vs whyte 2, or him vs fury 2. of those rematches i'd prob rather have whyte-wallin 2, and then fury fights someone like joe joyce rather than otter again.

mcrow24 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 16:58

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 16:39

mcrow24 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 13:21
If you're discussing if he's overrated , you must discuss who he is and isn't better than. Simple logic, should have paid attention and used some critical thinking skills I guess.

a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

Ok go on having crappy opinions and being a.jerk,.IGAF.

sibbo wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 04:52

mcrow24 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 16:58

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 16:39
a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

Ok go on having crappy opinions and being a.jerk,.IGAF.

In the past he's been underrateted, but I'd say currently rated just about right, his resume lacks some depth, due to inactivity etc, but as a fighter he is very good, huge size, good jab, good engine, reasonable pop, good chin, great recovery powers, agile for a guy his size decent speed, and good tactician, he can look clumsy at times, and his delivery can often look sloppy, but when he's on his game, he's gonna be a difficult nights work for any current heavyweight, and many top heavyweights of yesteryear.

sibbo wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 04:52

mcrow24 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 16:58

stevec@france wrote: ↑19 Oct 2021, 16:39
a simple fact for you to get your tiny mind around - I dont have to do anything you say .

Ok go on having crappy opinions and being a.jerk,.IGAF.

In the past he's been underrateted, but I'd say currently rated just about right, his resume lacks some depth, due to inactivity etc, but as a fighter he is very good, huge size, good jab, good engine, reasonable pop, good chin, great recovery powers, agile for a guy his size decent speed, and good tactician, he can look clumsy at times, and his delivery can often look sloppy, but when he's on his game, he's gonna be a difficult nights work for any current heavyweight, and many top heavyweights of yesteryear.